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Conspiracy theories: Casino Streamer Fake money or Real? (Page 5)

Topic created on 23rd Aug. 2020 | Page: 5 of 20 | Answers: 191 | Views: 51,319
Kleinkariert
Expert
Quality really isn't super great, content is very stretched and gap fillers are used and while you try to prove some things others are just thrown out there without evidence.

I think most people can guess that streamers are treated differently, better cashout times, better Bonuses, more frequent no Deposit and to some extent special arrangements for fake money. Fake money is of course not openly and transparently addressed by the streamers, that would destroy the whole image of beautiful wins.

I find streaming gambling itself problematic, because younger people also see it and I really experience how the little ones talk about it and now one has turned 18 and has immediately put his pocket money into it. I think that's just extremely unhealthy. Not just the advertising, but the kind with the entertainment and that it's so much fun according to the streams tempts people to jump into a spiral. Even older people can be tempted or are triggered by it again. This also has nothing to do with stupid people or the like, but is unfortunately the subconscious that brings us later to very stupid decisions / can bring.

One thinks on television, on Youtube, on posters, ... also always the advertisement is nevertheless senseless since one does not get that anyway. But if one has money halt, the means and sometime times desire has then one will fall back exactly on that which one daily into the head is flushed. There are people who buy drinks from the fridge at the gas station or the bakery every day for 2-4 times the price out of convenience and our brain is the same. It simply takes what it remembers or what it has heard particularly often.

Streaming should simply be banned altogether or at least so that really only from 18 these streams can be seen. Not be able to appear on the front page and fake money streamers should be permanently banned.

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Anonym
Chrizzi wrote on 25.09.2020 at 22:59
Nice news sim card!

Also to EMMAUNDEDDY thanks for the contributions. Often read here from people who vent their displeasure with you guys. Maybe one or two will get a bit more insight from this. Doubt that with the Hatern however.
Would not have had to explain yourself in my opinion

@Simkarte Although one of your posts with Merci commented Simkarte, yet I have not seen a video. Was to collect points for the sweepstakes
I'll be honest. Don't usually take these threads in stride. For some this may be helpful you want to inform how this goes down and promo you can do for it too. All cool on my part

You do write that you took another video off though. I have zero experience with streaming and YouTube videos but if you want to build something... please inform yourself.
I mean you don't want someone to make videos about you by listing claims that are not true. Then you will have more success.

Look anyway now times over even if some of the quality not so great find.

All the best and much success

Hi. Thank you for your great statements. We are eh the opinion one should see everything also n bissle with nem wink. I think our videos are made at least n bissle so. To your statement that you should not make videos if you have to take them off again later, because the allegations are false.Geb you right. In our videos was and will never be anything faked and all "claims" are also true. The videos we have taken down because the impression could arise that the 2 streamers are fake. They are definitely not. There are just disagreements about what to say to the viewer all the time so that the impression does not arise that the streamers win millions and that the players could also and plunge into misfortune. At least the 2 streamers do not want that and that's why we took the videos off. And not because what was wrong. We will not be bent and stand by our opinion.and respect to EmmaundEddY. That they grant us normalos an insight into the Buisness. As you said that should be respected first. No matter how you see what. For you now of course doof because 2 videos are off😂Till soon

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Grimmor666
Rookie
It doesn't matter if the streamers are playing with real money or not. It's just a big commercial for casinos - without exception. Every one of them is making money as an aff, and they deserve it if the stupid masses fall for it. Watching streamers play casino games is just like playing in Online Casinos for play money - lost lifetime and just unnecessary.

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Anonym
Kleinkariert wrote on 09/25/2020 at 23:36: quality is really not super great, content is very stretched and gap fillers are used and while you try to prove some things others are just thrown out there without evidence.

I think most people can guess that streamers are treated differently, better cashout times, better Bonuses, more frequent no Deposit and to some extent special arrangements for fake money. Fake money is of course not openly and transparently addressed by the streamers, that would destroy the whole image of beautiful wins.

I find streaming gambling itself problematic, because younger people also see it and I really experience how the little ones talk about it and now one has turned 18 and has immediately put his pocket money into it. I think that's just extremely unhealthy. Not just the advertising, but the kind with the entertainment and that it's so much fun according to the streams tempts people to jump into a spiral. Even older people can be tempted or are triggered by it again. This also has nothing to do with stupid people or the like, but is unfortunately the subconscious that brings us later to very stupid decisions / can bring.

One thinks on television, on Youtube, on posters, ... also always the advertisement is nevertheless senseless since one does not get that anyway. But if one has money halt, the means and sometime times desire has then one will fall back exactly on that which one daily into the head is flushed. There are people who buy drinks from the fridge at the gas station or the bakery every day for 2-4 times the price out of convenience and our brain is the same. It simply takes what it remembers or what it has heard particularly often.

Streaming should simply be banned altogether or at least so that really only from 18 these streams can be seen. Not be able to appear on the front page and fake money streamers should be permanently banned.

Hello, I also agree with you in large parts. The problem is when you want to take away people's own responsibility. Would you be the whole day busy people on their mistakes or what they should better leave, to address. And in the worst case an authority makes then still. And from rules we have just really enough. Therefore we see the point more relaxed. But understand your opinion completely.
That no one under 18 casino streams should look. Is the responsibility of Twitch. And not the streamers. The streamers are in our opinion only responsible for communicating everything openly and honestly, so that no one gets the idea that you can win as much as the streamers. In addition, all streamers with your range could quickly ensure that there are no more fake streamers and fake casinos. In our opinion, the mid-sized streamers want that too. But the ones who could push it quickly. The really big ones. They don't care. The look at their mios of affilate links every year and have no desire to stress and complain rather in each stream😂Greetings also to you

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Grimmor666 wrote on 25.09.2020 at 23:48: It doesn't matter at all if the streamers play with real money or not. It's with every single one just a big commercial for casinos - no exceptions. Every one of them is making their money as an aff and they deserve it if the stupid masses fall for it. Watching streamers play casino games is just like playing in Online Casinos for play money - lost lifetime and just unnecessary.

Hello

Yes . somehow we all agree here. Would be cool if the streamers would see it that way themselves. At the end of the day it's just advertising. Every Streamer would immediately sign if you tell him he plays a year with his real money plus Deposit bonus and goes zero to zero out.and his income he generates through the links. That it makes no difference whether one plays with real money or fake money there I contradict you and there I speak also in the name of my colleagues. For us it is important whether I watch a fake scripted rtl lunchtime show or on ARTE ne documentary. I can imagine that many do not care. But in our opinion, that makes a huge difference for many viewers. Also you still a nice evening / night

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Chrizzi
Experienced
Grimmor666 wrote on 25.09.2020 at 23:48: It doesn't matter at all if the streamers play with real money or not. It's with every single one just a big commercial for casinos - no exceptions. Every one of them is making their money as an aff and they deserve it if the stupid masses fall for it. Watching streamers play casino games is just like playing in Online Casinos for play money - lost lifetime and just unnecessary.

What should the stupid masses fall for? That this believes one can make several thousand from a few €? You can
It is luck
As if everyone who watches a Streamer would make losses in the 5 digit range and fell for it, because the nen BigWIn had as they watched
Look in the forum like some people here report that they have been playing for 10 or more years. What have these "stupid" people fallen for?

There will also be people who claim: In the night from Friday to Saturday at 23:48 to post in a gambling forum that casino streamers are great commercials for online casinos would be lifetime, which could have been better used.


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Anonym
You know that you just post here yourself?😂
Nobody said stupid people here. But there are people who can be seduced faster than others or are just ignorant. This has nothing to do with stupidity. You can make over a short time times n few thousands. Sure. But even every Streamer says you can not win in the long run. And of course there are people who gamble for 20 years. Why not. Not everyone gambles away house and yard. Apart from that I wrote that we are the last ones who have something against streamers or making money with streams. I think you've got it a bit mixed up. By the way, I like to take the time to answer you. Until then. Check back tomorrow

PS. You meant the post before me. Sorry my mistake. Is already late😂

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Chrizzi
Experienced
simkarte76 wrote on 26.09.2020 at 00:29: You know you're just posting here yourself?😂
Stupid people has here no one said. But there are people who can be seduced faster than others or are just ignorant. This has nothing to do with stupidity. You can make over a short time times n few thousands. Sure. But even every Streamer says you can not win in the long run. And of course there are people who gamble for 20 years. Why not. Not everyone gambles away house and yard. Apart from that I wrote that we are the last ones who have something against streamers or earning money with streams. I think you've got it a bit mixed up. By the way, I like to take the time to answer you. Until then. Check back tomorrow

PS. You meant the post before me. Sorry my mistake. Is already late😂

It's really late
But cool that you react anyway!
I'm going to take off too. Have 40 € verdaddelt and incidentally times reingeschnuppert in the videos.
Can me there unfortunately not get involved in what it's really about. The Mucke in the 1st video old swede...
Am not so mentally gifted both to process and without sound is as described very long-winded.

My taste is not but maybe you hit the right nerve with others

All the best


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Grimmor666
Rookie
Chrizzi wrote on 26.09.2020 at 00:14
What should the stupid masses fall for? That this believes one can make several thousand from a few €? One can
It is luck
As if everyone who watches a Streamer would make losses in the 5 digit range and fell for it, because the nen BigWIn had when they watched
Look in the forum like some people here report that they have been playing for 10 or more years. What have these "stupid" people fallen for?

There will also be people who claim: In the night from Friday to Saturday at 23:48 to post in a gambling forum that casino streamers are great commercials for Online Casinos would be lifetime, which could have been better used.



"What are the stupid masses supposed to fall for? That they think you can make several thousand from a few €? You can.
It's luck." - i agree with you - the 1.5% who are lucky, have just this.

" As if everyone who watches a streamer would make losses in the 5 digit range and fell for it because the nen BigWIn had when they watched" - of course these people do not make a loss in the 5 digit range - it just make people in the 5 digit (and more) range nen loss of nnem 10 to 50er and exactly that makes it so profitable.

" Look in the forum like some people here about it report that they play for 10 or more years. What did these "stupid" people fall for?" on casinos - that's why it's a billion dollar business.

" There will also be people who claim: Posting on a gambling forum at 11:48pm on a Friday night that casino streamers are great commercials for online casinos would be lifetime that could have been put to better use." of course! = see me - I just have enough time and can write such posts, as well as you

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Latino
Experienced
@wettibernd
If you want to start streaming and need a partner then feel free to contact me

I have already taken over the conception - streaming may then you - good luck

@emmaundeddy
Ok I'll join, even if here is really a very tense and also a prejudicial mood prevails.

Well, I hope you can see at least my good will, that I'm willing to create transparency without only harvesting criticism.

I find that good
I assure you that I am basically neutral and everyone his business gönne (including simkarte76) and with appropriate information I can also convince me. But of course I inform myself beyond what is said by the Streamer and also watch their streams from time to time (so my answers sometimes take a little longer) and if that does not fit then I express my blunt view. Since I know that neither of the two parties can prove without doubt his point of view, will or wants remains only the view of circumstantial evidence from which one can draw his conclusions.

Regarding the "prejudice" : You will surely understand that in a category that bristles with fake only so it is difficult to believe a streamer directly everything

Of course, the fakes also claim that they want to be as transparent as possible, that they are 100% real, etc.. Even a Roshtein has already shown Skrill progressions, but no one really believes that this streamer is "real" or plays with real money, right? On top of that, I have somewhere here in the depths of the forum even a fake Skrillverlauf and also corrospondierende payout of the casino set. I welcome your efforts but have seen this too often with streamers who are for me without a doubt fake. I think we will move in circles ...

Then the following: SlottyVegas,Frank,SlotV - of course the question arises whether (as an example) Wildz/Caxino does not do the same, why should this casino obviously popular with streamers not "support" the streamer even beyond the permanent 100% bonus ? This is of course not recognized as an outsider and these "secret" deals do not contribute to building trust
Let's take an example that goes back a few months: a number of streamers played with 1000€ Bullets and all played exactly this Bullet at LeoVegas and all played Raw - LeoVegas is a casino that I think is basically good, but something like this is too much coincidence for me - the same Raw Bullets in the same time window in the same casino triggers the suspicion that it is a casino sponsorship

Even assuming that you are now 100% legit you are now sitting in a boat full of fakes - and everyone claims that everything is real. You can imagine that it is simply impossible as an outsider to pick out the few "realos". And with fakes I don't mean the obvious fakes like re-streamers, chatbots/viewbots but the ones who pretend to play with their own money. I am sure you can understand the problem...

I can relate to the explanation about your co-streamers, but then still have a few questions:
BigDaddyZockt is a longtime friend of mine who really doesn't rely on depositing with my money and doesn't do that.

Why is my link under his stream. As a beginner it is hard to get a decent deal with a casino. Currently by the coming regulations partly no longer possible.

What does BigDaddy get out of it ? By putting your Affiliate links under his stream, he still has no proper deal, but affiliate income or customers he does not generate with which he could get a deal
The dear Capi is one of our first viewers and actually just wants to support a bit. I don't even have time to support and build up the channel. He has links under it and if he really recruits a player he gets a part of it.

Why doesn't he use his own affiliate links - then he would get more than "a part" ? But if he wants to support then it's ok for me, I've read stranger things
Zuckerschnute is sponsored by me. Not always but more often. For me the following agreement was very important and so I would do it with every upcoming streamer who gets such a sponsoring. The players may keep their wins except for the following one or two bullets on the next deposit.

The system is not quite clear to me. That means on the first sponsored bullet from you, she gets to keep the win (if any) - on the next one(and possibly the one after that), you get to keep the win(if any). In addition, you also get the recruited customers and then this cycle from the beginning? Does she pay herself or is her only income what she (maybe) gets from the win of the first bullet ?
Maybe a few streamers join and make it public. Would be a great thing to show: I have nothing to hide regarding Deposit and withdrawal.

So I would welcome it that streamers who call themselves transparent have a correct, at any time available three-column balance sheet showing the deposit (Raw), received bonus and a possible cashout. Of course also about past time periods. Only with these three details, meaningful conclusions can already be drawn. As mentioned in the previous post, I have heard the most adventurous answers why this balance is not created. In addition, this is also pretty much the only thing that is not excluded by confidentiality agreements.

Of course, there would still be the Sponsored Bullets are marked as such and MaxCashouts on such or similarly knitted balances are also visibly represented but hold an implementation because of the non-disclosure agreements rather unlikely.

What I would personally criticize are the (fake) emotions. What happens in the streams is simply not credible when the streamer celebrates his hundredth 200X like a lottery win and only a few minutes later it continues normally in the program - that is simply not authentic. But that's probably more a question of personal taste - there are plenty of people who like Knossi.

And Btw- Maybe FloggerLife would like to join in the discussion, which should also have some background knowledge

@Chrizzi:
Doubt that but with the Hatern.

Who is Hater and why? I hope you do not put Haten immediately with critical inquiry....

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