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Conspiracy theories: Autostart <->manual startup</-> (Page 3)

Topic created on 27th Jan. 2018 | Page: 3 of 3 | Answers: 27 | Views: 8,293
Begbie
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Autostart <->manual startup</->

14th Jan. 2020, at 12:08 am CET#21
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skyro wrote on 13.01.2020 at 15:51

Sure the machine is programmed and there is no randomness there.... Random is not programmable ^^ it runs according to a certain algorithm, if everything would be completely random then there would be nothing like a RTP, so what are you talking And that's why it is also possible that between manual and auto something is programmed differently. Or did you write the program? Think there are already a few gimmicks that are concealed from us..

so you don't die stupid:
a random generator, i.e. the RNG, is a programmed random

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Begbie
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14th Jan. 2020, at 12:12 am CET#22
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Blubbo33 wrote on 01/13/2020 at 16:08: Hmm, here we go again with the rtp.

Can someone tell me where I can read about this, that there is something like this seriously?

Who is controlling the rtp? How and where can I track it?

Maybe it is just a fairy tale of the vending industry ?

No one can say definitively so or so it looks.

Why do you guys get hung up on this ?
What good is a 98% rtp if my predecessors win when I play and I play at the wrong time.

Sorry but who makes his play dependent on a rtp, he should stop as soon as possible.

Online casinos are a damn expensive hobby, nothing more nothing less.

who "controls" the RTP?
the manufacturer
the mathematics makes about 1 billion runs and adjusts the parameters in the code, if there are outliers in the probability during the adjustment
If they didn't do that, the Risk would be way too high that a slot or the RNG would "dice" too awesome outliers and result in an RTP beyond 100%. then that slot would be a losing proposition and no casino would offer it

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Dbac79
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Autostart <->manual startup</->

14th Jan. 2020, at 05:41 pm CET#23
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skyro wrote on 13.01.2020 at 23:26: that's why you come with auto in the worse lot Pot, lots are but no matter, important is only which you draw and that is programmed and follows an algorithm and no coincidence. And what do you want with your RTP? That is anyway only a guideline and not meaningful, so also unimportant... or why is he/she hardly fulfilled? Who checks which lots there are and how often? And whether this is really so? You really only talk about what is on any site about RTP and think you are particularly smart.

i don't even know what site i can read about rtp, i think about how something works and the difference to other people is that others are satisfied when they know how something works but i want to know why something works the way it does

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Dbac79
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Autostart <->manual startup</->

14th Jan. 2020, at 05:44 pm CET#24
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and "coincidence" does not even exist, nothing ever happens by chance but always for a certain reason. a flowerpot does not fall on your head by chance but because it is moved by something and falls down

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v****2

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14th Jan. 2020, at 07:55 pm CET#25
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MarcT22186 wrote on 01/13/2020 at 16:18
Of course randomness is programmable, why wouldn't it be?
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zufallszahlengenerator

Hybrid generators are the buzzword in OCs - see
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmetischer_Zufallszahlengenerator

You don't seem to understand the RTP either? What are you asking for explanations for if you don't want to understand it or are just too stupid to understand this
Simply explained at RTP 97%: You bet a coin that has a value of 1€, if you win a coin, it has a value of only 97 cents. There are guidelines how often a picture / win appears in, for example, 1 million spins, when is completely random!




so if you take it very precisely is real coincidence
is not programmable a friend of mine is a software
engineer and has recently written this short and clear
explanation about it:


There is literally no such thing as a truly random function
in code. It is legit impossible to create. The closest thing
you can get to random requires a thing called a "seed" and
this seed needs to be based on something.

here is a short article about it

https://engineering.mit.edu/engage/ask-an-engineer/can-a-computer-generate-a-truly-random-number/

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Begbie
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14th Jan. 2020, at 10:09 pm CET#26
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the definition of coincidence leaves from a certain degree the scientific level and comes on a philosophical level, which can be proved with nothing except his own opinion.

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Zwischenmeister
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15th Jan. 2020, at 03:25 am CET#27
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Blubbo33 wrote on 01/13/2020 at 17:02

What good is the rtp if 8 people won 1 million and then I come in with my 20 cent bets.

This is a very important starting point to approach the topic of RTP.

According to my logical understanding, programming a slot to a certain RTP would be overly complex to absolutely impossible, if the bet size, as it is more or less presented, does not play a role. Impossible for the simple reason that you as a Provider simply cannot know, but at most extremely unreliable estimate, how the distribution to the different betting levels will turn out in practice when using the slot.

Therefore, I conclude that if the RTP really works as it is communicated to the outside world, the RTP at the slots cannot be cross-usage, but is run/calculated/programmed separately for each individual usage level, so to speak.

Which would also be a totally understandable explanation why a minimal change of the bet by only 10 or w
20 cents, changes the behavior of the slot quasi abruptly, partly turns it by 180 degrees

A total RTP over all bet levels would often be incredibly lucrative for the operators, but on the other hand at least just as risky, then if just to 80 or 90% with stakes up to max 2 euros is played and stupidly the tenth spin on 100 euros triggers the over - freespins, the RTP simply could not be guaranteed sufficiently.

Accordingly, it would be more a matter of finding out at which stake level the machine is ahead of the RTP at the respective time, so to speak, or lags behind

All of the above statements are EXPRESSLY devoid of any scientific basis, well-founded technical knowledge and even more so, they are not based on any facts

But otherwise I cannot imagine a reliable working RTP for the manufacturer. If I am demonstrably wrong here, someone should please correct me. But it would be great if the person could also say something well-founded about it

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Zwischenmeister
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Autostart <->manual startup</->

15th Jan. 2020, at 03:54 am CET#28
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Begbie wrote on 01/14/2020 at 10:09 pm: the definition of coincidence at a certain level leaves the scientific level and comes to a philosophical level that cannot be proven with anything except his own opinion.


What you say is correct, but unfortunately you have to see it the other way around, i.e. you get to a level where the claims of the providers about their RTPs and the underlying functionality of their RNGs, can no longer be factually refuted, or even really well-founded doubted - except as you said with his "opinion".

We have to swallow these statements like this

But I am relatively sure that in addition to the basis (which is the RTP), other factors have significant influences. These are, in my opinion, the extremely extensive accumulated data about player behavior on the devices

I'm sure there are ever evolving and ever better adapted processes going on. From years of experience of countless spins, one can estimate with very high reliability, to what extent the average player plays down his Starting Balance in percentage, before he closes the game disappointed. And thus also when the next decent win is needed, so that the slot is not abandoned

And finally also how often you have to push the gambler in this up & down game his balance again in time to let him believe that it will crash again juicy this time, before you land at 0.00. But exactly THEN it just doesn't do that anymore....

And now the real coincidence comes into play. Because that is us. The one gets the curve in time today and closes the slot after the last Big Win, the other plays himself down to zero.

In the long run, this will statistically balance out again for the providers

The bottom line is that WE play the machines, but in reality it's the machines that play WITH US....

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