Community surveys: Who will be German champion 2024/25?

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Butterbrezel wrote on 16.08.2024 at 17:43:

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bruffl wrote on 18.08.2024 at 09:09: I wouldn't put it past Leverkusen again, Bayern's new signings weren't that great.

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frapi07 wrote on 18.08.2024 at 12:10:
The problem with Bayern wasn't the squad. They also made it to the semi-finals of the CL and "narrowly" failed against RM. The problem was that Leverkusen allowed themselves too few mistakes. 28 wins, 6 draws and 0 defeats is hard to beat. 90/102 possible points. Just for comparison: Juve have the points record in Serie A with 102/114 and that with 4 match days more. If Serie A only had 34 matchdays, they would have been similar to Leverkusen (90 - 94 points).

Bayern are currently playing Poker with Kompany. Very little experience, but if the chemistry is right and he does his job well, then Bayern can become champions this season, because I don't think Leverkusen can repeat such a season again. Maybe they could win the season, but not dominate like last season.

I therefore say that Bayern will win the season by a narrow margin.

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Patizi wrote on 20.08.2024 at 09:48:

Bayern hasn't been so outstanding for years. The fact that Bayern has become champion so often in recent years is simply because the others are not good enough and not because Bayern is so incredibly strong. Of course there were years in which Bayern had a 10-15 point lead, but in some of those years it would have been enough if you had scored less than 70 points. Or 2023, could it get any stupider? Dortmund gave them the championship as a gift.

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frapi07 wrote on 20.08.2024 at 12:23 pm:
Yes, but that's not down to the squad. It was due to the circumstances. nagelsmann was fired in 2023, although he was still doing well in all 3 competitions (Bundesliga, CL and Cup). Then came Tuchel and he also has other ideas, likes other players etc. He also had to test himself first. I don't want to write too much "what if" now, but it might not have been so close with Nagelsmann. Certainly not a treble either (City were simply too strong), but also no luck as it turned out in the end.

They brought in Kane and he delivered. Over 35 goals in his first season. But if you have a club like Leverkusen that doesn't make mistakes, then those 35 goals don't help. As I said, they were only 12 points short of the perfect score... even Bayern have never been that good (in terms of points, yes, but not without defeats).

The last time Bayern were "outstanding" was with Lewandoski, so not too long ago... He also scored 41 goals then. But it's also clear that they can't be that awesome every year. Look at Juve, they've won the league 9 years in a row and for 4 years they've come away empty-handed. It's normal for a cycle to come to an end at some point. Bayern is no different, even if they have won a lot of the cups and the competition is not like in Italy, but it's also clear that Bayern can't win every year xD

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Patizi wrote on 20.08.2024 at 13:26:
I'll give you an example. 2020/21 Bayern become champions with a 13 point lead. The 2nd has 65 points. Bayern scores 78 points. Scores 99 goals but also concedes 44. Clearly a goal ratio of 55+. Does that speak for Bayern or rather against the rest of the league? Nobody can keep up and Bayern automatically look strong. I would almost say that with so many goals you should dominate the league because you score points without end. But that's not the case. Bochum and Co get 7 of them. In my eyes, the 78 points are just the minimum that should be enough to become champions, but precisely because, for example, the runners-up only get 65 in the season, that's enough to look dominant.

In some seasons Bayern wasn't strong but the others just weren't good enough. Bayern get an average of points that entitles them to participate in the championship fight. The problem is exactly what I'm saying, the competition just can't do it.

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frapi07 wrote on 20.08.2024 at 14:31

I agree with you for the most part. The others lack consistency, that's how I see it too and that's also why I predicted that Bayern would narrowly become champions. I don't see Bayern as the Galactics. Maybe they were briefly under Pep, but otherwise never really. What I have noticed, however, is that nobody consistently delivers like Bayern. Bayern is almost 80% champion before the season, the remaining 20% just depends on how good/bad the others are. With the squad they have, they could win another championship, possibly even the CL, and you saw that quite well last season.

If Bayern's squad was the problem, they wouldn't have won the CL 4 years ago and would have always been eliminated early. Bayern is well positioned, what they were missing in the 22/23 season was a 9 like Lewa - they got him now and I think they were just "unlucky" that a club like Leverkusen played a 9.7/10 championship right there, otherwise the championship trophy might have come back to Munich. Dortmund did worse and Stuttgart only caught up with Bayern because Bayern had already written off the Bundesliga from matchday 27 (Tuchel had even congratulated Leverkusen on the championship).

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