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ruhrpott

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27th Feb. 2023, at 11:48 pm CET#31

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@Falcon
I will be very brief, because guys like you are not worth long speeches.
It has nothing to do with "forbidding opinions", if I say that there can be no 2 opinions about who started this war and who is accordingly the perpetrator. If you yourself should be of a different opinion, then you not only have a different "opinion", but are, as sorry as I am, simply stupid.

Oh, all of a sudden you are of the opinion that in this country basic rights and freedom of opinion exist?
It's nice for your, although very late, but still existing insight, but exactly that freedom of expression was during the Corona time by people like you again and again doubted that this is still possible in Germany.
Guys like you and a few others were allowed to hold unvaccinated demos even there and trumpet their crap into the world.
Really, people like you should really just go to the oh so great Russia.
One turns that just as one needs it straight.
Alone the choice of words "propaganda" etc. shows what a mental child people like you are.
And with it any discussion with you is also through for me.

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Niroht

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27th Feb. 2023, at 11:59 pm CET#32

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Blubbo33 wrote on 02/27/2023 at 23:34:

That's your solution?

One does not create even with the climate change all at the table to get or that countries tear because of economic interests their self-set goals!
But in the war that should work that all are in agreement!

That's what I meant, scream for negotiations but make such thin proposals that more or less do not correspond to reality or are feasible!

In the end, only Russia has the power to end the war by removing itself completely from Ukraine!
What compromise can Ukraine make and what security does the country have that it will not escalate again after negotiations?

If Ukraine does not get weapons, the people will be slaughtered by the Russians, should that be the goal?

The peace has not the West in the hand but only Russia!

Ah Blubbo33,

I am only a small light, why should I find a solution and know?
Do you all read out only what you want?
I also never wrote not to supply Ukraine with weapons. I have been in favor of this from the very beginning.
But only up to a certain point, namely weapons for defense and from that what is needed.

And now I would like to turn the tables.

How or what is your solution?

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ruhrpott

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28th Feb. 2023, at 12:00 am CET#33

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Niroht wrote on 02/27/2023 at 23:45:

Nice of you to put me in the category as "such people ".
If I were to engage in the same level I would have to call you a "hollow fry".
With no word I have made (also not subliminally) the aggressor the victim, on the contrary concerning paragraph 1 of you completely agreed.
If I wish peace I am now Putin supporter or even better RIGHT?
Bahh peace is the new right corner.

And honestly, WE all (and I include myself) are so HEUCHLERISCH, before and even now during the war in Ukraine, there are at least 20 other wars in the world, where was and is the support?

Unfortunately, a real discussion with you is not possible, because you completely lack the possibility of differentiation.

Of course, there should be peace, but it cannot and must not look like Ukraine renounces any part of its country. On the contrary, Ukraine must be allowed to call Crimea part of its country again. If THAT becomes the subject of a negotiation and is accepted by both sides, then, and only then, a negotiation would bring something.
But since this will never happen with the madman Putin, negotiations bring nothing at all and this must be fought out on the battlefield.
And yes, I support any kind of weaponization we undertake. Even fighter jets etc. are not taboo.

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Falke

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28th Feb. 2023, at 12:01 am CET#34

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ruhrpott wrote on 27.02.2023 at 23:48: @Falke
I'll be very brief, because guys like you are not worth long speeches.
It has nothing to do with "banning opinions" when I say that there can be no 2 opinions about who started this war and who is accordingly the perpetrator. If you yourself should be of a different opinion, then you not only have a different "opinion", but are, as sorry as I am, simply stupid.

Oh, all of a sudden you are of the opinion that in this country basic rights and freedom of opinion exist?
It's nice for your, although very late, but still existing insight, but exactly that freedom of expression was during the Corona time by people like you again and again doubted that this is still possible in Germany.
Guys like you and a few others were allowed to hold unvaccinated demos even there and trumpet their crap into the world.
Really, people like you should really just go to the oh so great Russia.
One turns that just as one needs it straight.
Alone the choice of words "propaganda" etc. shows what a mental child people like you are.
And with it any discussion with you is also through for me.

I can only laugh about such incendiary speeches as from you honestly more. More on the wrong track, you can not be.

One can already see that you insinuate things that I have never written and of which you do not even know how I think about it.
But the media have managed (and propaganda works in the same way) that you only have to say one or two key words and then a program runs in your case, in which you have already made a complete opinion about the other person. Without talking to the other person or even knowing what that person thinks.

And my whole contribution did not refer to your opinion about XY. I don't care about it and if you were a bit more reflective and objective, then we could discuss it.

My contribution referred only to the fact that YOU want to deny others their opinion and demand here in the forum that one should not allow discussions, only because you do not like the opinion of other people.

But generous of you that one was allowed to hold demos and that, Oh my God, one can not even imagine it, even unvaccinated. What an incredible tolerance you bring out there, fabulous.

" And with that, any discussion with you is also through for me."

Great, then just don't look into the corresponding threads and that's it. I don't think you're going to get off anyone who's interested in a respectful and objective discussion, no matter what your opinion is.

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ruhrpott

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28th Feb. 2023, at 12:06 am CET#35

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Falcon wrote on 28.02.2023 at 00:01:

I can honestly only laugh more at such incendiary speeches as from you. More on the wrong track, you can not be.

You can already see that you insinuate things that I have never written and of which you do not even know how I think about it.
But the media have managed (and propaganda works in the same way) that you only have to say one or two key words and then a program runs in your case, in which you have already made a complete opinion about the other person. Without talking to the other person or even knowing what that person thinks.

And my whole contribution did not refer to your opinion about XY. I don't care about it and if you were a bit more reflective and objective, then we could discuss it.

My contribution referred only to the fact that YOU want to deny others their opinion and demand here in the forum that one should not allow discussions, only because you do not like the opinion of other people.

But generous of you that one was allowed to hold demos and that, Oh my God, one can not even imagine it, even unvaccinated. What an incredible tolerance you bring out there, fabulous.

" And with that, any discussion with you is also through for me."

Great, then just don't look into the corresponding threads and that's it. Hardly think you're offending anyone interested in a respectful and factual discussion, no matter what opinion you hold.

As I said, you also turn it as you just need it.

Example the demos I mentioned. I did not say that they should not have taken place, but only that, contrary to the opinion of all the conspiracy theorists, it was perfectly possible at that time, despite temporarily restricted basic rights, to be able to do just such a thing.
But as I said, any discussion is pointless.

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28th Feb. 2023, at 12:11 am CET#36

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Niroht wrote on 27.02.2023 at 23:59:

Ah Blubbo33,

I am just a little light, why should I find a solution and know?
Are you all just reading out what you want?
I also never wrote not to supply Ukraine with weapons. I have been in favor of this from the very beginning.
But only up to a certain point, namely weapons for defense and from that what is needed.

And now I would like to turn the tables.

How or what is your solution?

You write negotiations must take place but how such a thing should be implemented you leave to others or put the sometime in the pillory because they have not made it!

For me there is only one solution, either Russia withdraws or Ukraine must be supported until RUS runs out of weapons and ammunition.

The problem will arise at some point that Ukraine is running out of soldiers and then the West must be clear whether they take up the fight against Russia or not?

And yes, I am for this fight!
If the right of the stronger prevails, then only nuclear armament helps as a deterrent, until at some point the fuses blow, if Putin is not already faster!?

The solution is Russia alone and not the West, therefore this talk of Wagenknecht is unbearable.

I would like to see negotiations, but they are not possible because the aggressor does not withdraw.

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Falke

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28th Feb. 2023, at 12:15 am CET#37

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ruhrpott wrote on 28.02.2023 at 00:06:

As I said, you also twist it the way you need it right now.

Example the demos I mentioned. I did not say that they should not have taken place, but only that contrary to the opinion of all the conspiracy theorists, it was perfectly possible at that time, despite temporarily restricted fundamental rights, to be able to perceive just such a thing.
But as I said, any discussion is pointless.

Then it is good. So, according to you, is it allowed to have a different opinion or not? Do you revise your statements made before that there may not be two opinions with certain topics and "these people" may write this even in a forum, or do you plead further for the fact that one should rather create a well-being bubble, so that you do not feel disturbed in your world view?

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Falke

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28th Feb. 2023, at 12:18 am CET#38

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You are already clear that it should be in this thread exclusively only about whether one should lead these discussions or not and not to lead these discussions exactly here. It is a little bit contradictory that the one who does not want to have these discussions here is almost the only one who starts such a discussion in this thread.

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28th Feb. 2023, at 12:21 am CET#39

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Unbelievable what here for sick souls are on the road, and then still here the title 'expert', 'elite' and and represent. One begrudges the other no more centimeter...bad only. Thought here you are spared from the crap...

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28th Feb. 2023, at 12:23 am CET#40

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Falke wrote on 28.02.2023 at 00:18:
You do realize that this thread is supposed to be solely about whether or not to have these discussions and not about having these discussions right here.

It's a bit contradictory that the one who doesn't want to have these discussions here is almost the only one in this thread who starts such a discussion.

It was about the petition not about the discussion!

And as you can see I am not the thread creator or ?

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28th Feb. 2023, at 12:26 am CET#41

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Blubbo33 wrote on 02/28/2023 at 00:23 PM:

My point was about the petition not the discussion!

And as you can see I am not the thread creator or ?

It is about the fact that one should not discuss in this thread anything about the Ukraine or other, but only about whether one should permit such discussions in other areas of the forum or not. But you are discussing here whether to supply weapons or something else.

I'm happy to discuss that with you in a separate thread, as long as it remains factual and respectful. But this topic has no place in this thread. That is the only point I want to make.

But, to contribute something to the topic: I think the suggestion is not bad at all, that the "politics" area is only unlocked for users who have already written XY posts or similar.

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28th Feb. 2023, at 12:29 am CET#42

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Falcon wrote on 28.02.2023 at 00:26:

The point is that you should not discuss anything about Ukraine or anything else in this thread, but only whether or not you should allow such discussions in other areas of the forum. But you are discussing here whether to supply weapons or anything else.

I'm happy to discuss that with you in a separate thread, as long as it remains factual and respectful. But this topic has no place in this thread. That is the only point I want to make.

Oh well, thanks for the hint. Well then you go on with corona!

Good night

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28th Feb. 2023, at 12:31 am CET#43

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Focus published an article today where Macron and Scholz are now allegedly pushing Selensky to negotiate in the background. The headline of the article > Two Ukraine revelations clarify what the West really wants

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Falke

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28th Feb. 2023, at 12:31 am CET#44

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Blubbo33 wrote on 02/28/2023 at 00:29 PM:

Oh well, thanks for pointing that out. Well you go ahead with corona!

Good night

I have Corona only in the context mentioned, as one already dealt there with critics and one also there discussions has prevented. I have written here but nothing substantive to Corona itself.

But as I said, we can discuss it in another thread.

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28th Feb. 2023, at 12:36 am CET#45

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Since a few people are boiling up here again, I would like to express my personal opinion on the conflict. The Crimea should be a separate state, because it separated from the Ottoman Empire in 1774 and was then occupied by Catherine II in 1783 and declared Russian. in 1954, the then General Secretary of the Soviet uniοn Nikita Khrushchev gave away Crimea to Ukraine. So the territory is actually neither Russian nor Ukrainian. The population in the Ukrainian eastern territories should be given the opportunity to vote on what they want to belong to (similar to the Saarland in 1935 and 1956). This would be the most reasonable thing to do, but there are many other interests and so this will remain a wishful thinking from my side.

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