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7th Oct. 2018, at 11:35 pm CEST#51

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Random wrote on 07/10/2018 at 23:11
The only question is, by whom is it more unethical?
The streamers use, so to speak, only an offer what the casinos make available to them.
The main blame then lies clearly with the casinos

I would consider it unethical from both sides, especially the Streamer can't talk his way out of it - after all, the Affiliate streamers often lie extremely. One once claimed he would only make money if the people who sign up win. Exactly, so it will be! Have enough streamers of different language looked at me, the fewest are honest enough to confirm already known (that they generate money through signups through their link). How should that look then with bigger things only...

Find it good that Daniel has expressed himself so critically and it has not stamped with "normal coincidence". I am curious whether something will be done in the matter, I am firmly convinced that the game manufacturers play a big role and the casinos themselves do not necessarily have to be so guilty (even if they are certainly not the most honest Samaritas).

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7th Oct. 2018, at 11:46 pm CEST#52

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The game works on the Rubellos principle, which I consider to be not entirely unproblematic, as this push gaming slot suggests higher wins than they are achievable in practice due to its structure. Still, it doesn't change the randomness of the game results. RNG gives out a random number and based on this number a winning picture appears or not. The only difference in this type of games is that the reel positions, as in 3,4,5 or 6-reel slots are not generated, but are predetermined. The payout ratio is still right in the end and the odds are basically the same as well. As I said, everyone can check the personal payout ratio themselves at Videoslots under myRTP.

However, if the odds of getting a certain winning picture are 1 in 13,000,000, then it is virtually impossible for two streamers to get the exact same free spins almost at the same time. Needs investigation in my opinion!

I don't know who got this picture first but the second Streamer would have to play on average (at 20 spins per minute) about 10,833 hours at a stretch - that's 451 days! So that exactly this image or these free spins come again

As I said, these are average values. Theoretically, it would also be possible that this image comes earlier again or even two times in a row but the probability is really so low that it can be almost completely excluded. And why should this happen with two known streamers?

The whole thing is very strange and should definitely be investigated. My guess is that it's unethical marketing there. The regulators should make sure that streaming is either completely banned or that such unethical marketing methods are no longer possible. Streamers should also not be given special rights like high Deposit Bonuses, as this distorts reality and is not conducive to player protection. Especially when you consider that, in my estimation, streamers have a not insignificant share of young viewers between the ages of 18 and 21.

The latest trend, which also worries me, is that normal gaming youtubers or gaming streamers are now also starting to stream for Online Casinos and this is the latest point where intervention is needed, as the main target group of this type of streamers are, in my estimation, mainly children and young people under the age of 18.

I ask you to report this to the regulatory authorities. For this to be successful, however, ALL must squeeze their buttocks together and invest 10 - 30 minutes and write an email to the regulatory authorities. The UK Gambling Commission plays the most important role here.

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7th Oct. 2018, at 11:50 pm CEST#53

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I left a comment on Youtube at Shirox1980, Miikapekka and Spintwix under their original video" Can you explain this "and the link to the video on the 1st page or the 2nd video. My comment at Shirox1980 and Miikapekka was deleted or I don't see that anymore. In Casinodaddy's forum have asked there, so far no answer from them or only get an answer from a normal user.

I would be very happy if GambleJoe would research a little deeper and could make a news out of it. No matter what comes out in the end, whether it is fake or just a coincidence, many here would be interested

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8th Oct. 2018, at 12:03 am CEST#54

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T0uchTheSky wrote on 07/10/2018 at 23:50: I left a comment on Youtube at Shirox1980, Miikapekka and Spintwix under their original video" Can you explain this "and the link to the video on the 1st page or the 2nd video. My comment at Shirox1980 and Miikapekka was deleted or I don't see that anymore. In Casinodaddy's forum have asked there, so far no answer from them or only get an answer from a normal user.

I would be very happy if GambleJoe would research a little deeper and could make a news out of it. No matter what comes out in the end, whether it is fake or just a coincidence, many here would be interested.

How should we research this? Push Gaming has already commented on it and the streamers are not ready to answer the questions. Theoretically, it can be a coincidence, but it is quite absurd and should be officially investigated by regulators. It is ultimately up to all of us whether this case will be investigated or not and whether something will change in the future or not. I repeat myself

Therefore, we should ALL make an inquiry to the MGA and the UK Gambling Commission, triggering an investigation into this incident. More important in this case is the UK Gambling Commission.

The contact details for the UK Gambling Commission can be found here: https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/about/Contact-us/Contact-us.aspx

The contact details for the MGA can be found here: https://www.mga.org.mt/support/contact-us/

I can only encourage you to do this. If your English is not good enough, then write a text in German and use Google Translate. In the end, the only important thing is that the recipients can somehow understand the message. It's best to post the original German version as well.

I will make a request to the two regulators the days and at the same time complain about unethical marketing by streamers in general. Especially when it comes to Player protection, the UK Gambling Commission is cracking down, see

https://www.gamblejoe.com/news/strafe-gegen-leo-vegas-von-der-uk-gambling-commission-2018/

or here

https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/news-action-and-statistics/news/2017/Gambling-firm-888-to-pay-over-7.8million-for-failing-vulnerable-customers.aspx

I would also encourage those who believe that this is a worldwide mafia to take these important steps. If 100 different emails are sent to the UK Gambling Commission, there is a higher chance that they will be investigated than if I alone send an email.

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8th Oct. 2018, at 12:07 am CEST#55

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Ankor wrote on 07/10/2018 at 23:35
I would consider it unethical of both, especially the Streamer can't get out of it - after all Affiliate streamers often lie extremely. One once claimed he would only make money if the people who sign up WON. Exactly, so it will be! Have enough streamers of different language looked at me, the fewest are honest enough to confirm already known (that they generate money through signups through their link). How should that look then with bigger things only...

Find it good that Daniel has expressed himself so critically and it has not stamped with "normal coincidence". I am curious whether something will be done in the matter, I am firmly convinced that the game manufacturers play a big role and the casinos themselves do not necessarily have to be so guilty (even if they are certainly not the most honest Samaritas).

Yes, but I put myself in a streamer. Most times barely in their early 20s.
See the big money and the casinos tell them: Here are a few win videos so you can suggest to people that you can win so much.

See there the blame more with the casinos.
They want to send this message to the people.

A streamer I sometimes see is fruity Slots. He usually streams for hours. Loses also very often and you can watch him play directly. For example when he loses on Extra Chilli 5 times in a row on the first gamble. Or on Immortale Romance on 3 euros bet wins 6 euros in the free spins.
Then I think to myself, yes, that's how it usually goes.
I have the impression that he really plays with money and he just shows the good and the bad wins

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8th Oct. 2018, at 12:35 am CEST#56

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Wow, the video has really made me once again very thoughtful. Coincidence or not, this constellation, with 2 known streaming platforms in such a short time interval I consider almost impossible

Unfortunately, I think that the whole thing will come to nothing as always

I will also write a request for investigation of the case at the UK - authority

However, in the end, the operators will argue that it is extremely unlikely, but within the realm of possibility, that something like this could happen

And in the end, you have to prove that it was not a coincidence

To what extent there are technical records of these sessions is certainly the key question here!

I hope nevertheless that now so slowly something happens

LG

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8th Oct. 2018, at 12:54 am CEST#57

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Random wrote on 08/10/2018 at 00:07 PM
Yeah, but I'm putting myself in a streamer's shoes. Most times barely in their early 20's.
See the big money and the casinos tell them: Here are some win videos so you can suggest to people that you can win so much.

See there the blame more with the casinos.
They want to send this message to the people.

A Streamer I sometimes see is fruity Slots. He usually streams for hours. Loses also very often and you can watch him play directly. For example when he loses on Extra Chilli 5 times in a row on the first gamble. Or on Immortale Romance on 3 euros bet wins 6 euros in the free spins.
Then I think to myself, yes, that's how it usually goes.
I have the impression that he really plays with money and he just shows the good and the bad wins.

Loool...five times at the first gamblen lose I know.
Yes but that seems more real than most of what there are streamers so.

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8th Oct. 2018, at 01:18 am CEST#58

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Lucifer88 wrote on 08.10.2018 at 00:35: Wow, the video has really made me once again very thoughtful. Coincidence or not, this constellation, with 2 well-known streaming platforms in such a short time interval I consider almost impossible

Unfortunately, I think that the whole thing will come to nothing as always

I will also write a request for investigation of the case at the UK - authority

However, in the end, the operators will argue that it is extremely unlikely, but within the realm of possibility, that something like this could happen

And in the end, you have to prove that it was not a coincidence

The extent to which there are technical records of these sessions is certainly the key question here!

I hope nevertheless that now so slowly something happens

LG

1. Don't be pesimistic all the time. You don't know what will happen. The UK Gambling Commission is very strict about violations of Player protection and unethical marketing.

2. Every spin is recorded, so everything is traceable. You can all see this for yourselves in most casinos. Videoslots even has a feature called myRTP.

I always found streamers - fake or not - problematic. I have always classified my own Youtube channel as critical, but I have always made sure with the keywords, as well as with the titles, that I reach as much as possible only people who already play anyway.

But now a whole new generation of streamers is coming, streamers who have made a name for themselves in the normal gaming industry and have built up a lot of reach. The viewers are estimated to be mostly kids and teens under 18 and are off-topic - please enlighten me if it's not. This will generate so many new gambling addicted gamblers that it's just sad and disgusting.

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8th Oct. 2018, at 01:32 am CEST#59

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Daniel wrote on 08/10/2018 at 01:18 PM
1. Don't be pesimistic all the time. You don't know what will happen. The UK Gambling Commission is pretty damn strict about Player protection violations and unethical marketing.

2. Every spin is recorded, so everything is traceable. You can all see this for yourselves in most casinos. Videoslots even has a feature called myRTP.

I always found streamers - fake or not - problematic. I have always classified my own Youtube channel as critical, but I have always made sure with the keywords, as well as with the titles, that I reach as well as possible only people who already play anyway.

But now a whole new generation of streamers is coming, streamers who have made a name for themselves in the normal gaming industry and have built up a lot of reach. The viewers are estimated to be mostly kids and teens under 18 and are off-topic - please enlighten me if it's not. This will generate so many new gambling addicted gamblers that it's just sad and disgusting.

Basically you are right. But I see bans mostly critical. I am still of the opinion that everyone must be responsible and learn to distinguish what is good for you and what is not.
That the streamers but a completely unreal image of gaming reproduce I think then also very questionable.

Maybe it would be the right approach not to try to sue the casinos, but to start there that have the casinos theoretically under control, such as the MGA.

Maybe we should send letters of complaint to the responsible EU Commission and to the responsible authorities in Malta and point out that most casinos operate unethical and deliberately misleading business practices (bonus rules, payout delays, etc.) and that this is not compatible with the consumer protection of the EU and the state of Malta. And this all happens only because the MGA allows this, even promotes it.
That here thus a supervisory authority is involved even more or less in illegal machinations and thus commercial fraud takes place and the MGA can actually already be regarded as a criminal organization.
That sounds perhaps hard however it is nevertheless exactly in such a way. Any company with such practices would have been closed down in Germany long ago.

I think it's good if we all write together to the UK Gambling Commission and I will support that, but I see streamers only as a symptom and the real culprits sit somewhere else. Streamers are only part of the big picture.

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8th Oct. 2018, at 01:40 am CEST#60

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I will probably join the same and tomorrow times a letter... hope that many follow, the more the better I think probably.
Just to know whether Reagiert and, and if: how Reagiert is.
What I should think of it I honestly do not know... I normally like to watch from time to time at eg Shirox, I try to satisfy my searches so a little to keep myself from paying in. Klappt eiglt also always quite well (Am gladly spectator)

What here a little people write about "The and the Streamer is real because they lose sometimes etc.." I can not say that Shirox would be in the plus... he shows eg at Casumo total Deposit - withdrawal - bonus balance of the total time. And well so much is said he is in the 5-digit berreich in the red. So in my opinion it is humbug.
I still like to watch and will continue to do the streams, or winning video's because with me is addiction satisfaction, no more and no less.

Addendum: Of course there are also people like "RiskCasino" who show something that is not true. (Just wanted to clarify that it does not look like I would stand behind all streamers)
Greetings

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