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Anonym

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7th Oct. 2018, at 07:38 pm CEST#31

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Matthias wrote on 07.10.2018 at 19:26: Regarding the fact that both streamers in the livestream have now received the same winning pictures:
According to PushGaming the probability that both players get exactly the same winning pictures is 1:1,300,000.
I think PushGaming's explanation is flawed in some way.

I guess that the chance of this 1600x win for a single player per spin is 1:1,300,000.
However, in my opinion, the chance of this win increases with each spin. I.e. if I do 10 spins, the chance of 1600x is 1:130,000.
If I do 100 spins, the chance is 1:13,000 and if I do 1,000 spins, the chance is theoretically 1:1,300

The probability to hit 1600x with one spin is always the same. If this were not the case, we should all look for a new "hobby" right away

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7th Oct. 2018, at 07:46 pm CEST#32

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Kanalmalocher wrote on 07/10/2018 at 19:38
The probability to hit the 1600x with one spin is always the same. At the first spin just as after the 1000. Wen that would not be so, we better all immediately look for a new "hobby".

Looking for a new hobby? That anyway! is too expensive anyway

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7th Oct. 2018, at 07:54 pm CEST#33

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Kanalmalocher wrote on 07/10/2018 at 19:38
The probability to hit the 1600x with one spin is always the same. At the first spin just as after the 1000. Wen that would not be so, we better all immediately look for a new "hobby".

I would also think that the calculation would be too simple and I would have to win with my Bonanza sessions which often go to the 1500-2000 spins until FS come, in these then already more often times more than x40 or something higher, but this logic does not exist, because the chance is the same for each spin.
It is simply suspicious that it is two times exactly the same sequence and not what would be more credible, the x1600 by different images would come about. The whole now also still twice is already very strange.
I stay with it, here were stored winning pictures for the Streamer created and it is with the Doublette a mistake made. I don't take the whole streamer-teasing story seriously anyway and think these are the big-win baits to drive people into the casinos
In the game for us gamblers believe and I think then the normal course is given and it runs by chance.

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7th Oct. 2018, at 08:00 pm CEST#34

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Looks very strange, nice that the chance is 1:1.3 million but both people stream, both get the same expiry, the same profit factor and without a big time gap.

Now you could build the theory that game manufacturers for advertising of the game something help or that actually exist times in which a slot is "open". So simply with coincidence I will not accept this time and first carefully observe what still happens so.

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7th Oct. 2018, at 08:02 pm CEST#35

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Kanalmalocher wrote on 07/10/2018 at 19:38
The probability to hit the 1600x with one spin is always the same. At the first spin just as after the 1000. Wen that would not be so, we better all immediately look for a new "hobby".

Of course it is still more likely to hit 1600x within 1000 spins than with only one

I don't watch streamers and never really have. But the few videos I know here from the forum are enough for me to believe that this is simply advertising. Maybe a little better done than those nonsensical Book of Ra popups with 9 books on the screen but basically the same

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7th Oct. 2018, at 08:27 pm CEST#36

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Bone wrote on 07/10/2018 at 20:02
Of course it's still more likely to hit 1600x within 1000 spins than with just one

You have then 1000 times the chance to hit. But that it happens is still equally likely. It is not like the lottery. There you could (theoretically) bet on all possible number combinations and have the Jackpot guaranteed. Here you have, to stay with the analogy, with each spin a completely new draw, and not just one more row.

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7th Oct. 2018, at 08:47 pm CEST#37

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Kanalmalocher wrote on 07/10/2018 at 20:27
You have 1000 times the chance to hit then. But that it happens is still equally likely. It's just not like lottery. There you could (theoretically) bet on all possible number combinations and have the Jackpot guaranteed. Here you have, to stay with the analogy, with each spin a completely new draw, and not just one more row.

Yes, the chance increases. The chance is equally high with Spin 1/1000 or Spin 999/1000 to achieve such a win, but that is always only the single spin. Of course, with 1000 single spins the chance increases even a thousandfold. Let's say that the chance of a 1600x win is 0.0001%. Then the chance with 1000 spins is 0.1% because each of these spins makes the chance of 0.0001% on this win

Your lotto analogy makes sense here: With 1000 tickets you have of course more chances to win the jackpot than with only one ticket

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7th Oct. 2018, at 08:47 pm CEST#38

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Matthias wrote on 07/10/2018 at 19:26: Oh dear, I can already imagine that my contribution will now arrive like "oil on the fire", because following certainly sounds very "pro casino".

(...)

First of all, I'm not a big fan of streamers, especially because I'm always reminded of Calvin, the underage CasinoTest24 Streamer at the time.
Shirox1985 and CasinoDaddy are at least of age and both have been "in the business" for a relatively long time and are known to stream regularly.
Regarding the fact that now both streamers have received the same winning pictures in the livestream:
According to PushGaming, the probability that both players get exactly the same winning pictures is 1:1,300,000.
I think PushGaming's explanation is flawed in some way.

I guess that the chance of this 1600x win for a single player per spin is 1:1,300,000.
However, in my opinion, the chance of this win increases with each spin. I.e. if I do 10 spins, the chance of 1600x is 1:130,000.
If I do 100 spins, the chance is 1:13,000 and if I do 1,000 spins, the chance is theoretically 1:1,300.

So if 2 players play 2,000 spins each, it could very well happen that one, or by chance both, hit exactly the same image with the same win factor.
It is unlikely, but somehow still maybe possible. The fact that there are now 2 streamers, and they have recorded this, gives the matter of course a bitter taste.

Of course, because that's what it is again.

It's not about barely hitting the 1600x hit, it's about two players with the exact same frames.
Push Gaming itself, the game manufacturer admits (at least) that it's extremely unlikely, and yet and again they try to put it into perspective.

In addition to this, a second video was posted here, in which two players also have exactly the same pictures on the slot again.
What, please, must actually happen so that one finally recognizes or admits that somewhere something is going wrong?

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7th Oct. 2018, at 09:06 pm CEST#39

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I have looked at it and my opinion is that there, bordering on certainty, something is wrong!

Alone all these stories of the Streamer: "Poor student who bets all his money and has luck", is so cheesy. It's really awesome that so many people take this bullshit at face value.

When all the streamers were sprouting up like mushrooms I did some research too. I was offered better bonus conditions or higher Bonuses by some casinos. StarGames was the only casino at the time that offered us a fake account where we were supposed to get money to play for free. I recorded the conversation and the opening of the fake account on video - I would have to look for it.

What I also know is that Quasar Gaming or OVO Casino (is the same thing anyway), leaked winning videos to the Youtuber RisikoCasino. It was the video where RiskCasino won 5 or 6 explorers on Book of Ra or Book of Ra 6 on 5€ per spin. I made a request to Quasar Gaming or OVO Casino at that time to see if this win was real. I was assured that it was real. With a buddy in Malta, with whom I often gambled together, I later watched the video again and we noticed that the spin number (top-left) was much smaller than ours - and by much smaller I mean so much smaller that it must have been at least two years ago or more. Our conclusion was that Quasar or OVO Casino was playing winning videos of other players to the Youtuber. Quasi a watch mode only without the writing.

There is definitely faking going on in the streamer scene but how exactly that works we don't know. It will also vary from casino to casino.

What I and the buddy also always suspected was that the streamers (if the reach is right) get winning videos fed to them by the game manufacturers to do promotional stuff for that manufacturer's games. That's my knowledge and conjecture on the matter.

What definitely needs to happen now is an intense investigation by the regulators. I would put the UK Gambling Commission in charge of this, not the MGA, which hardly gets anything done, although they should be informed as well - it can't hurt.

We should really ALL (every single one) make an inquiry to the MGA and the UK Gambling Commission, triggering an investigation into this incident. What is more important in this case is the UK Gambling Commission.

The contact details for the UK Gambling Commission can be found here: https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/about/Contact-us/Contact-us.aspx

The contact details for the MGA can be found here: https://www.mga.org.mt/support/contact-us/

I really encourage you to do this. If your English is not good enough, then write a text in German and use Google Translate. In the end, the only important thing is that the recipients can somehow understand the message. It's best to post the original German version as well.

I will make a request to the two regulators the days and at the same time complain about unethical marketing by streamers in general. Especially when it comes to Player protection, the UK Gambling Commission is cracking down, see

https://www.gamblejoe.com/news/strafe-gegen-leo-vegas-von-der-uk-gambling-commission-2018/

or here

https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/news-action-and-statistics/news/2017/Gambling-firm-888-to-pay-over-7.8million-for-failing-vulnerable-customers.aspx

I would like to encourage you to take these important steps, you can achieve something here! I can not explain this incident and therefore I have no choice but to ask you all to invest 10-30 minutes of your time for this cause.

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7th Oct. 2018, at 09:30 pm CEST#40

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The coincidence has (in stochastic form) no "brain", if I throw a coin is with each "throw" the probability 50% that either head or number comes.
It can happen that maybe 100x heads comes, then only the number.

@Daniel
will be done tomorrow!!!
But I hardly think we are aiming at anything, it is certainly only the small grain in the granary.
There are certainly still vieeeel more scams...

It's exactly the same with the machines where I told at another thread where Kingtut meant with "scarab and J" and after that came the free spins.
Probably the machines work the same way with "image constellations" instead of pure chance.
Like here with the streamers...

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