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14th Oct. 2018, at 07:22 pm CEST#241

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Julian wrote on 10/14/2018 at 7:02 PM

Online casinos still have no influence on the gameplay, even if that should be true with your theory that someone is sending videos to some Streamer, then that would also only be recordings that were made by other players. Unless the providers themselves have made recordings of it, which would be really pathetic, if they would do something like that then not from a poble 1000x win in a slot that has a potential of 20,000x.

Besides, look around on international platforms, where a normal user recently got a record win on Bonanza of 14,000x. Why wouldn't the providers "give" such a big win to a streamer? - Why do even the big streamers have in their long career all only a record value of 4,000x when it comes up? even I as a "casual player" had more times wins over 5,000 - 6,000x. One must not be blinded by the amount they win, they are only so high because their stakes are set so high. If we only go by the Win factor, they don't even reach really awesome wins.

This is not my theory, but Daniel's.

And Daniel has reported that Ovo and others have already sent winning videos to streamers.
This clearly shows that there has already been Manipulation and fraud.
At the same time it is claimed that there is no other fraud.
Then again it is said that there could well be such a conspiracy at OVO and StarGames in this regard.

All this from Daniel.

Regarding your last paragraph: It's not about the amount of the win, that doesn't matter at all.
It is about the identical winning pictures.

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14th Oct. 2018, at 07:26 pm CEST#242

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Coffee Light wrote on 10/14/2018 at 7:22 pm
That's not my theory, that's Daniel's.

And Daniel has reported that Ovo and others have already sent streamers winning videos.
This clearly shows that there has already been Manipulation and fraud.
At the same time it is claimed that there is no other fraud.
Then again it is said that there could well be such a conspiracy at OVO and StarGames in this regard.

All this from Daniel.

Regarding your last paragraph: It's not about the amount of the win, that doesn't matter at all.
It is about the identical winning pictures.

This does not show that there was manipulation and fraud on the slots. It just shows that there is cheating and manipulation on the players themselves and I think that is clear to everyone here. If a player wins a real, random high win and the casino plays a replay of it to a Streamer, that is if anything an indication AGAINST the manipulation of the slots as one for it. Otherwise the casino could just let the streamer win and save this intermediate step

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14th Oct. 2018, at 07:37 pm CEST#243

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Bone wrote on 14/10/2018 at 19:26
That doesn't show that there was Manipulation and cheating on the slots. It just shows that there is cheating and manipulation on the players themselves and I think that is clear to everyone here. If a player wins a real, random high win and the casino plays a replay of it to a Streamer, that is if anything an indication AGAINST the manipulation of the slots as one for it. Otherwise the casino could let the streamer win and save this intermediate step.

No, because it would depend on what is just easier.
And letting others play slots that have already been played again is definitely cheating. If something like this happens often, someone plays a machine without knowing that everything is predetermined.
To what extent and why manipulation of slots happens, we can hardly judge.

Either way, there was fraud involved (at OVO, according to Daniel's report).

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14th Oct. 2018, at 07:45 pm CEST#244

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Coffee Light wrote on 10/14/2018 at 7:37 pm
Nah, because it would depend on what is easier right now.
And already played slots let others play again, is quite cheating. If something like this happens more often, someone plays a machine without suspecting that everything has long been predetermined.
To what extent and why Manipulation happens at slots, we can hardly judge.

Either way, there was fraud involved (at OVO, according to Daniel's report).

But this is simply not about someone playing an already played slot again. But that someone simply dubs a video that is played to him

Right, we can't judge it. Neither can you, by the way

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14th Oct. 2018, at 07:49 pm CEST#245

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Coffee Light wrote on 10/14/2018 at 7:37 pm

To what extent and why Manipulation of slots happens, I don't think we can judge.

Yes that's a great statement, then the discussion can be ended here and in all the other threads

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14th Oct. 2018, at 07:59 pm CEST#246

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Stromberg wrote on 14.10.2018 at 19:49
Yes that's a great statement, then the discussion can be ended here and in all the other threads.

Made my day ?

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14th Oct. 2018, at 08:48 pm CEST#247

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Hi all. I've been around here on the site and in the forum for quite a while, but I'm actually more of a silent reader in the online area, no matter what the topic. But this thread has now actually made me, contrary to my years of "Register? Only if I have to" and "my mustard I keep to myself, me is the other often too much" - attitude brought to register an account.

And actually I want to say only one thing about it:

Why does no one think about the fact that it is perhaps not so absurd what happened there? Has really no one ever wondered how many private, small gamblers within the first weeks after the release of the slot (yes exactly, the weeks in which the things pay strangely often so good - a rogue who evil... blabla) have already received exactly the same winning picture or how you might call it? Most if they have played with 10 or 20 cents. They are happy, gamble away the 170-335 euros in the following hour again and after five minutes have no idea how exactly the win came about, let alone a record of it or even a second thought about how many times their stake that might have been and in the end in most cases still lost your Deposit in the end.

The miracle here is not that it happened to two streamers, it must have happened to tens of people. This is not the mega impossible constellation, this was just bad luck that two people with high stakes filmed it...

That the casinos and/or manufacturers generally watch out that we don't ruin them must hopefully be clear to everyone here, but like this? Sorry if I have to disillusion somehow - but soooo stupid are now really not...

Glad to be there and sorry for the awesome text, actually I never write what, but that would probably have to go out

Tim

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14th Oct. 2018, at 09:22 pm CEST#248

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Bone wrote on 10/14/2018 at 7:45 pm

Right, we can't judge it. Neither can you, for that matter.

I never said so. Unlike some others, I don't present beliefs or conjecture as fact.
Bring evidence that Manipulation is not possible, even though it has been proven to exist (see winning videos from OVO) and I'll gladly be convinced.

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14th Oct. 2018, at 09:27 pm CEST#249

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Coffee Light wrote on 10/14/2018 at 9:22 pm
Never said that either. Unlike some others, I don't present beliefs or conjecture as fact.
Bring evidence that Manipulation is not possible, even though it has been proven to exist (see winning videos from OVO) and I'll gladly be convinced.

You skillfully simply hide the fact that only videos have been dubbed and continue to present this as if he had retrieved the same result again. Bravo! Just keep your eyes, ears and nose closed and insist on your own opinion! No matter whether one was already taught better!

Since when must present at all anybody proofs for the fact that something is not possible? This kind of the logic may be quite funny with the church of the flying spaghetti monster, here it is misplaced

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14th Oct. 2018, at 09:35 pm CEST#250

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Bone wrote on 10/14/2018 at 9:27 pm
You skillfully just block out the fact that only videos have been set to music and continue to portray this as if he had retrieved the same result again. Bravo! Just keep your eyes, ears and nose closed and insist on your own opinion! No matter whether one was already taught better!

Since when must present at all anybody proofs for the fact that something is not possible? This kind of the logic may be quite funny with the church of the flying spaghetti monster, here it is misplaced.

Where do I represent it in such a way? Quote the corresponding passage.

And it would be really nice if you don't parrot something from others, but bring your own arguments.

Again, so that you also understand: Whether a video is dubbed for the purpose of deceiving others, or whether one gets something cobbled together that has already been run, or whether it is manipulated in some other way, fraud is fraud.
Now understood?
Or did it grab you again today and you want to provoke a little?

By the way, it should be quite easy to prove that the technical possibility for Manipulation is not given, isn't it?
This is nothing metaphysical, even if it sounds so beautiful.

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