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13th Oct. 2018, at 01:46 am CEST#201

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pascalst wrote on 10/13/2018 at 01:25: The two videos, Dreamcatcher and Jammin Jars, provide no evidence of fraud. That is a fact, even if many here would like to pin something on the casinos.
The streamers, in this case Shirox and CasinoDaddy, have played tens of thousands of spins in turbo mode in Jammin Jars since its release.
Taking that into account, it's also not that unlikely anymore that both streamers would get the same winning pictures with the way the slot works as described by Daniel.
There's not much to say about Dreamcatcher and ChapMad's video either. There is a malfunction, the wheel is not slowed down and the round is canceled.

Why don't you answer my questions and not make new unsubstantiated claims again.

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13th Oct. 2018, at 01:50 am CEST#202

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Coffee Light wrote on 10/13/2018 at 01:46 AM
Why don't you answer my questions and not make new unsubstantiated claims again.

I'm not. Making unsubstantiated claims is more your thing.

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13th Oct. 2018, at 02:02 am CEST#203

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pascalst wrote on 10/13/2018 at 01:25: The streamers, in this case Shirox and CasinoDaddy, have played tens of thousands of spins in turbo mode in Jammin Jars since its release. Taking that into account, it's also no longer that unlikely that both streamers will get the same winning pictures with the way Daniel described the slot works.

Push Gaming has commented on this matter itself. The described mode of operation does not come from me, but that is the official statement of Push Gaming. To find out if this can be correct, I asked the question about the previous spins of Casinodaddy and Shirox. If the own paid spins before and after the identical wins had been the same, then this would indeed have been a very, very clear indication of a non-random game.

Even though I personally don't like the streamers or most of their concepts and I'm admittedly not always completely objective on this point, I have to admit with this long sentence that under these circumstances such a coincidence is no longer quite so unlikely

Because I find watching people gamble for hours boring, I never watch the streamers either. So I don't know that they seem to have played thousands of spins in turbo mode. I also assumed 1 in 13 million for the odds and not 1 in 1.3 million. Thanks pascalst for this info.

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13th Oct. 2018, at 08:58 am CEST#204

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Daniel wrote on 10/13/2018 at 02:02 PM
Push Gaming has commented on this matter itself, after all. The described functionality does not come from me, but that is the official statement of Push Gaming. To find out whether this can be so correct, I have yes asked the question about the previous spins of Casinodaddy and Shirox. If the own paid spins before and after the identical wins had been the same, then this would indeed have been a very, very clear indication of a non-random game.

Even though I personally don't like the streamers or most of their concepts and I'm admittedly not always completely objective on this point, I have to admit with this long sentence that under these circumstances such a coincidence is no longer quite so unlikely

Because I find watching people gamble for hours boring, I never watch the streamers either. So I don't know that they seem to have played thousands of spins in turbo mode. I also assumed 1 in 13 million for the odds and not 1 in 1.3 million. Thanks pascalst for this info.

And what is your opinion on this, there are not only shirox and casinodaddy who got the same picture, but also 2 other streamers, see video.

I find that absurd and that has nothing to do with coincidence but it is programmed.Otherwise I play the lottery :S
It can not be that 2 streamers get the same picture and wiederrum 2 others who are not so well known, but are still active.
So for information, it is not the same monster hit but another hit.

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13th Oct. 2018, at 10:16 am CEST#205

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vllt the slot is also just programmed shit ^^

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13th Oct. 2018, at 11:09 am CEST#206

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pascalst wrote on 10/13/2018 at 01:50 PM
I'm not. Making unsubstantiated claims is more your thing.

Nope. Even repeated assertions on your part do not make it true. So far you present your assertions as fact, but do not prove them and do not answer my questions.
In any case, there is a reason why you insist so vehemently and aggressively that everything is completely correct and that others who suspect are crackpots.

But Daniel doesn't answer my questions either.
Suddenly everything is okay again and not so unbelievable anymore.
No explanation for why it is possible to manipulate, when otherwise it is always claimed that it is not possible.

The probability that both streamers hit this identical image is 1:1.69 million if both make 1000 spins.
The probability that two other identical images hit this slot is actually close to zero with these probabilities.

Ankor, the video says the two wins are about a week apart. Exactly what the dates are, I haven't kept track. But even at just under two weeks, it hardly makes a difference.
Where are the dates? I can't find anything there.
I've put playing there on hold for now since that video.

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13th Oct. 2018, at 11:18 am CEST#207

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Begbie wrote on 10/13/2018 at 10:16 am: maybe the slot is just crap programmed ^^

Probably^^

Has Push Gaming actually commented on the second case yet?
So with the other two streamers with the same bonus?

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13th Oct. 2018, at 11:19 am CEST#208

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Coffee Light wrote on 10/13/2018 at 11:09 AM
Nope. Even repeated assertions on your part do not make it true. So far you are stating your assertions as fact, but not proving them or answering my questions.
In any case, there is a reason why you insist so vehemently and aggressively that everything is completely correct and that others who suspect are crackpots.

But Daniel doesn't answer my questions either.
Suddenly everything is okay again and not so unbelievable anymore.
No explanation for why it is possible to manipulate, when otherwise it is always claimed that it is not possible.

The probability that both streamers hit this identical image is 1:1.69 million if both make 1000 spins.
The probability that two other identical images hit this slot is actually close to zero with these probabilities.

Yawn. You really bore me with your know-it-all and arrogant attitude
Everything has already been said, maybe you should pay more attention. Then you will also get what is going on.
A quote from the Communicator to make my point:

you probably also had no idea that the wheel in "dreamcatcher" is also complete fraud, because that wheel has a motor, so you could very well control where it stops spinning and which number is thus hit 22:26

As I said before, you have absolutely no idea how casinos work.

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13th Oct. 2018, at 11:22 am CEST#209

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Coffee Light wrote on 10/13/2018 at 11:09 AM
Nope. Even repeated assertions on your part do not make it true. So far you are stating your assertions as fact, but not proving them or answering my questions.
In any case, there is a reason why you insist so vehemently and aggressively that everything is completely correct and that others who suspect are crackpots.

But Daniel doesn't answer my questions either.
Suddenly everything is okay again and not so unbelievable anymore.
No explanation for why it is possible to manipulate, when otherwise it is always claimed that it is not possible.

The probability that both streamers hit this identical image is 1:1.69 million if both make 1000 spins.
The probability that two other identical images hit this slot is actually close to zero with these probabilities.

Ankor, the video says the two wins are about a week apart. Exactly what the dates are, I haven't kept track. But even at just under two weeks, it hardly makes a difference.
Where are the dates? I can't find anything there.
I've put playing there on hold for now since that video.

I totally agree with you on that. So the chance to get the following winning picture as in the case of Shirox and casino daddy is according to Provider 1: to 1.3 million

The following questions I ask myself:
Where did he get the number, is it even valid enough? (Is exactly the same when Mc Donalds says to me that the meat that is in the burger is 100% beef and all are free-range cattle) Trilatrulala everything is beautiful...

The provider generates money on mass with the shitty slot, it's about many millions, why does he give us as "transparency" the chance?

Second question I ask myself is: I need 1.3 million spins to get the same picture?
So if I make 500,000 spins, the chance is greater right?

Who tells me that I won't hit the same images again? So for a coin I flip 5 times heads before a number comes up on the 6th flip?
Is it really the case that I have 1.3 million different images and the image I have already drawn does not come again?

Is it really the case, for example, that if I roll 1.4 million times, the images will only repeat themselves? We speak of randomness and that is for me quite clearly a sign that EVERYTHING IS PROGRAMMED.

If All Slots run like this, then I should soon get full screen explorers at BOD, as often as I play this... hahahahaha

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13th Oct. 2018, at 11:32 am CEST#210

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pascalst wrote on 10/13/2018 at 11:19 AM
As I said before, you have absolutely no idea how casinos work.

" you certainly also had no idea that the wheel at "dreamcatcher" is also complete fraud, because that wheel has a motor, so you could very well control where it stops turning and which number is thus hit 22:26 hrs"

Who or what is that from? Who wrote this?
And what does it have to do with Dreamcatcher?

There is first of all a fact here, and that is that you owe answers and proofs. To cover this up, you insult others, use immature disparagement and insinuate ignorance.
This does not make you credible.
Funnily enough, the admins allow all your verbal attacks, while others have already been admonished for less.

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