Other Casino games: That's it for casinos and streamers (Page 12)

Daniel wrote on 10/10/2018 at 02:24: It is a fact that the games are not hosted by the Online Casinos themselves. This can be found out by anyone with some technical know-how, it's not witchcraft. Here you can see in the code inspector of Firefox from which server the game (in this case Book of Dead by Play n' Go) is loaded:



That was Book of Dead at Rizk . The same code section can be found at Slotsmillion. Both online casinos are in competition with each other:



These code snippets can be found on all online casinos when loading Book of Dead, as in this example. If the game is loaded from another server, the original game is not used and the casino can be called unserious. This is the case, for example, with Futuriti Casino, Ares Casino, etc.

That the casinos can not influence the games or that Play n' Go & Co. the casinos do not give their games out of hand, should also be logical. The online casinos are the customers of the game developers and the payment is made through the turnover or the win. There are well over 1,000 online casinos and not every casino is trustworthy (from the game developers' point of view). If the manufacturers would give their software out of hand, then there would be a danger that the game developers would be cheated by some dubious online casinos.

The payout ratio of each game is the same at every online casino - and this ratio is also correct. Since every spin is permanently stored and since every spin in most casinos can be retrieved by you players yourself, purely theoretically everyone can track this themselves

Videoslots has even built in a function under myRTP, which reads out this stored data, so that everyone can display their personal payout ratio for each individual game. Anyone who has played a particular game often (over months) should be very close to the specified payout ratio.

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pascalst wrote on 10/10/2018 at 02:02: Wow. It's pretty intense how you can discredit yourself.
You just complained that I called people conspiracy theorists, right?
And then you come up with something like this?

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Coffee Light wrote on 10/10/2018 at 11:47 AM
Knowing that there is fraud in the world, that corruption is the order of the day everywhere and that both can be found especially where a lot of money is involved has nothing to do with conspiracy theories.
On the contrary, it is even exceedingly naive to believe that there can be no fraud and corruption at all, especially in the gambling sector, because games are supposedly located on other servers.
This is not a guarantee at all.
There is hardly anything simpler than cheating especially in the area of Internet and virtual data. Any good hacker at the age of 10 can already do more than that.
Besides, there have already been several cases of fraud in this area, both from players (viewing the cards of opponents when playing Poker in OC) and from casinos themselves

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Coffee Light wrote on 10/10/2018 at 11:47 AM
Knowing that there is fraud in the world, that corruption is the order of the day everywhere and that both can be found especially where a lot of money is involved has nothing to do with conspiracy theories.
On the contrary, it is even exceedingly naive to believe that there can be no fraud and corruption at all, especially in the gambling sector, because games are supposedly located on other servers.
This is not a guarantee at all.
There is hardly anything simpler than cheating especially in the area of Internet and virtual data. Any good hacker at the age of 10 can already do more than that.
Moreover, there have already been several cases of fraud in this area, both from players (viewing the cards of opponents when playing Poker in OC) and from casinos themselves.

Conspiracy theories are what among others Reichsbürger, Flatearther, Pizzagate, moon landing fake, 9/11 fake believers spread in insanity.


Daniel, you yourself say that this incident should be reported and that something is not right.
If you are so convinced that there is no shenanigans by OCs and also game providers, how does this fit with that?
How do you explain what exactly could have gone wrong there?

So far, you've also suggested a few times that game publishers might be cheating/manipulating.

As for the RTP: I had inquired in a casino once, because every time I deposited 20 euros, I was done after 3 minutes at the latest. The highest win there was 4.80 euros, otherwise a few cents, but mostly absolutely nothing.
The nice employee wanted to make me believe that my RTP was a little over 125...
Yes okay, so much for that

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pascalst wrote on 10/10/2018 at 12:25 PM
Nice try. I never claimed that there is no fraud in gambling on the internet.
But if you look at the providers of the slots, they have a license to print money. Your reasoning is that these providers are in cahoots with casinos and slots are being manipulated. Why I think this is extremely unlikely? There are so damn many people who gamble online and are also well aware of things like RTP
There is software like "Slot Tracker", which tracks and evaluates millions of spins. If there are suddenly different results in a certain casino or the RTP of a slot suddenly does not match what is stated by the manufacturer, there are people who notice this. This was the case with Ultimate Bet and Absolute Poker with the super users. The high rollers used software to track their hands. It was noticed that some pros against whom everyone played had such a high win rate that it could only be achieved if these players saw all the cards face up while the hands were being played. And of course, nowadays everyone has to be aware that there are also the whistleblowers. So it's extremely unlikely that the providers will get involved in illegal activities, because they make an incredible amount of money anyway and certainly don't Risk their business lightly.

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Bones wrote on 10/10/2018 at 12:38 PM
Not impossible he was right, depends on your stakes too

You have 1000,10€

Spin twice on 500€ and win nothing.

Spin once on 10 ct. and win 100€.

Spin once on 100€ and win nothing.

After 4 spins you lose 1000€ and have 0.

RTP: 250%

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Knochen wrote on 10/10/2018 at 12:52 pm: If your highest win was 4.80 on 5ct bet and you otherwise played 2€ spins that would still come up

And if it wasn't: It's logical that not every session can match the RTP. Yesterday I deposited 10€ at LeoVegas, was in between up to 230€ and then I cashed out 100€. Started with only 5-20ct stakes and just won. However, I am reasonable enough not to accuse the casino of fraud now, because my RTP was somewhere far above 96%. On the other hand, it's probably not a scam that the RTP is only 50% from time to time. It is not called "at least 96%" but average

Daniel has basically shown very well how it behaves.

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Coffee Light wrote on 10/10/2018 at 12:44 PM
It is a consideration of many. Since it is a possibility, it should be considered.

Since when is it hard to maintain a casino's RTP of slots accordingly by making sure certain players win certain amounts?
It's a wonderful way to balance things out.
99% of gamblers will hardly be able to use software and evaluate accordingly to understand RTP, AQ and whatever.
Is also the question whether casinos allow such software at all
And who says casinos can't throttle or lift individual accounts to either win or not win?

So if you also think that especially in gambling there is fraud and Manipulation, you can hardly call those who worry about it conspiracy theorists.

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