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9th Oct. 2018, at 11:33 pm CEST#101

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pascalst wrote on 09/10/2018 at 22:58: Thanks Julian
There was no hostility from my side either
Unfortunately, it seems to upset many users here already, if you write that there are streamers who play with their own money and are legitimate.
Then comes immediately a "troll", "double account", "employee of a casino" or what I know. These people have no arguments.

Nope nope, actually you first titled others here as conspiracy theorists - exclusively to make them untrustworthy - and at the same time presented your personal opinion as fact. In the same breath you complain about the fact that the critics do not bring facts.
On my twice question for your proofs there were only considerations and opinions on your part.

If you are so convinced that there can be no fraud, then there is something behind it. Because you seem to be quite sensitive to doubts about the honesty of OCs.
There is a reason for that.
In that case, it's not surprising if someone accuses you of having anything to do with OCs. If someone wrote that, I didn't read anything like that.

In the end, you are the one who owes a reasonable argument.

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9th Oct. 2018, at 11:42 pm CEST#102

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Unbeliver wrote on 09/10/2018 at 23:19: I usually always stay factual but sorry and I quote:

" They don't. For example, if Shirox deposits 10k some days and makes thousands of spins on €5, it's no surprise if he sometimes gets many 1000x hits in a short time."

This comes across extremely trollish, why?...because that is not to be taken seriously in a short time many 1000x hits. It is clear if he deposits a lot and plays many thousands of spins, that then one or the other x1000 or higher can be there but not many in a short time and even regularly. I also had 2, 3 or 4 times 1000x or higher in a session, in so 3-4 hours but these are the absolute exceptions, once is often already the hammer. There is the suspicion to be trolled here not to be dismissed from the hand...Sorry is so.

Okay. Then this "in a short time" has probably led to a misunderstanding. It was probably more related to an average player or maybe someone
who deposits every day and plays relatively a lot. What I wanted to say is simply that streamers play under completely different conditions than "normal" players.
Thus, they can simply set the slot to €5 and make thousands of spins in each session.
Which then of course leads to the fact that the streamers can constantly show new videos of big wins on YouTube.

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9th Oct. 2018, at 11:54 pm CEST#103

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Kaffeelicht wrote on 09.10.2018 at 23:33
Nah nah, actually you first called others here conspiracy theorists - and exclusively to make them untrustworthy - and at the same time presented your personal opinion as fact. In the same breath you complain about the fact that the critics do not bring facts.
On my twice question for your proofs there were only considerations and opinions on your part.

If you are so convinced that there can be no fraud, then there is something behind it. Because you seem to be quite sensitive to doubts about the honesty of OCs.
There is a reason for that.
In that case, it's not surprising if someone accuses you of having anything to do with OCs. If someone wrote that, I didn't read anything like that.

In the end, you are the one who owes a reasonable argument.

I have explained several times, why the slots run over the servers of the game manufacturers and not over the servers of the countless casinos
and this is not my opinion, but a fact. The casinos pay the providers and then get the opportunity to integrate the slots into their site.
Thus, the RTP is also the same in every casino for every game and only in this way can it be ensured that the casinos do not simply manipulate the RTP to cash in.

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10th Oct. 2018, at 12:13 am CEST#104

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It does not matter who started it, or what insults have fallen, also it was not the sense and purpose with it that you now start to point the finger at the other to stand in the "right".
I ask you all simply these "Stichelein" absofort in the past to be and simply further objectively about this topic furtherdiskutiert
This is not a schoolyard, but a forum.

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10th Oct. 2018, at 12:40 am CEST#105

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pascalst wrote on 09/10/2018 at 23:54
I have but now several times explained why the slots run through the servers of the game manufacturers and not through the servers of the countless casinos
and this is also not my opinion, but a fact. The casinos pay the providers and then get the opportunity to embed the slots into their site.
Thus, the RTP is also the same in every casino for every game and only in this way can it be ensured that the casinos do not simply manipulate the RTP to cash in.

And that's where I would like to have some proof. Some proof, not what you can read on the internet, on sites that work with OCs.
Unfortunately, you haven't explained it yet.
Please quote this and bring evidence for it. A fact can and must be proven

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10th Oct. 2018, at 12:55 am CEST#106

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Kaffelicht there are only two possibilities. Either the slots run over the servers of the slot providers or the servers of the casinos.
Since it makes no sense for the slot providers to hand over control of their slots to the casinos and there would then also be manipulations, the whole thing is actually self-explanatory.

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10th Oct. 2018, at 01:12 am CEST#107

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pascalst wrote on 10/10/2018 at 00:55: Kaffelicht there are only two possibilities. Either the slots run through the servers of the slot providers or the servers of the casinos.
Since it makes no sense for the slot providers to give up control of their slots to the casinos and then there would also be manipulations, the whole thing is actually self-explanatory.

That is first of all in the room.
Who wants to cheat and has the possibility, does it
What makes sense for providers where and how is left open.
Who agrees with whom and why and how something is left open.
We do not need to question the fact that the technical possibilities for Manipulation are available at all times.

There are other possibilities, e.g. that casinos and slot providers agree and corresponding wins are given or not given, depending on when and how.
By the way, the RTP is not the same in every casino.

And what you write are still your views. You can be right or wrong.
Facts are therefore still far from being, there is also no evidence for it.

What we discuss here are assumptions. For some they are based on experience, for others on pure emotions, for others only on what you hear from OCs or what sites on the net write about it.
We will not be able to clarify it.

But we actually have some facts in this topic, namely the videos and what the people in charge have said about it so far. Push Gaming has declared it extremely unlikely. Videoslots has only said it's an honest win.
The presenter of the video summarized some things and explained (in other words) that Christmas, Easter and the 500th birthday of our grandmothers have to fall on the same day for such a coincidence to happen.

From these things we can screw ourselves something.

From us discussants here there are no facts, because we all, neither pro nor contra, do not know them at all.

Therefore, it makes no sense to make assertions as facts that cannot be proven.
We do not talk here about Snow White and whether she planted the 7 dwarfs in the garden at Müllers, but about logical connections with what we are supplied with facts.

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10th Oct. 2018, at 02:02 am CEST#108

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Wow. It's pretty intense how you can discredit yourself.
You just complained that I called people conspiracy theorists, right?
And then you come up with something like this?

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10th Oct. 2018, at 02:24 am CEST#109

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It is a fact that the games are not hosted by the Online Casinos themselves. Anyone with a little technical know-how can find this out for themselves, it's not witchcraft. Here you can see in the code inspector of Firefox from which server the game (in this case Book of Dead from Play n' Go) is loaded:

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That was Book of Dead at Rizk . The same code section can be found at Slotsmillion. Both online casinos are in competition with each other:

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These code snippets can be found on all online casinos when loading Book of Dead, as in this example. If the game is loaded from another server, the original game is not used and the casino can be called unserious. This is the case, for example, with Futuriti Casino, Ares Casino, etc.

That the casinos can not influence the games or that Play n' Go & Co. the casinos do not give their games out of hand, should also be logical. The online casinos are the customers of the game developers and the payment is made through the turnover or the win. There are well over 1,000 online casinos and not every casino is trustworthy (from the game developers' point of view). If the manufacturers would give their software out of hand, then there would be a danger that the game developers would be cheated by some dubious online casinos.

The payout ratio of each game is the same at every online casino - and this ratio is also correct. Since every spin is permanently stored and since every spin in most casinos can be retrieved by you players yourself, purely theoretically everyone can track this themselves

Videoslots has even built in a function under myRTP, which reads out this stored data, so that everyone can display their personal payout ratio for each individual game. Anyone who has played a particular game often (over months) should be very close to the specified payout ratio.

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10th Oct. 2018, at 08:33 am CEST#110

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Daniel wrote on 10/10/2018 at 02:24 PM

That the casinos can not influence the games or that Play n' Go & Co. do not give the casinos their games out of hand should also be logical.

this is not quite true. there are already small adjusting screws that the casinos can set
but that should not affect the rtp.

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