Online Casinos in general: What's up in August !!! Did anyone have a bigger win ??? (Page 4)

vivera365 wrote on 01.09.2017 at 09:32: Well here you are again in the area of conspiracy- BOTS are supposedly not real players but programs that run in spectator mode (eg StarGames) and play in the Highroller area.The drive of course high profits and should animate you to do the same.For me also such a conspiracy myth-not to prove and not to disprove.

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TomWegas wrote on 01/09/2017 at 10:52: I personally wouldn't want to and can't rule out the spectator mode bots thing at Novomatic.

But I am also absolutely no friend of the spectator mode and you should not be triggered by it nor by Youtube videos. Because what others win or any bots has neither influence on their own chances nor does it change anything in your own financial situation so that you could allow yourself higher stakes.

I can only advise every player to look at himself and his finances and not at what others are doing. Whether these are bots at Novomatic or wealthy players who gamble with more money plays no role for you. But as I said, I can imagine that Novomatic fakes something like this as a "marketing tool"

These marketing bums always come up with something new to deceive and animate people. Where you can always see this extremely is on travel portals such as Booking.com where the people with the alleged popularity of the destination and the limited number of nights are made crazy until they book, with flight portals the same. This information is usually not correct either

In general, you should always take such things with a grain of salt and I would advise you to completely ignore the spectator mode in Novomatic casinos.

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Stromberg wrote on 01/09/2017 at 13:29

ace779 wrote on 01/09/2017 at 00:19: Hello everyone,
am new here...found this site through google. And immediately came across my question here in this post.
Refers to the increasingly poor payout ratio of online casinos.

About me: I play only at Quasar, and that for a while .
I have in the last 2 years often brought in large profits, the highest were once around 25,000 euros.
But I must mention that I was initially rather cautious, so max. 2 euros bet. At some point I tried a higher bet (e.g. 8.- Euro) and got free spins at BoR. And suddenly I was in another profit zone. At that time I usually paid out the winnings after a few rounds of losses and was therefore often in the plus. With the time it became more and more violent. 15.-, 20.-, 50.- Euro per spin, I also got free spins. Mostly however without large profit in relation to the employment. The high rollers certainly know what I mean

If you want to see winning pictures let me know, I'll try to upload them.

But now to the actual - since about the beginning of July something has changed in my opinion. I haven't had anything bigger since then, and for me bigger always meant from 2000 Euro upwards. Nothing, nadda niente. Free spins on 15.- Euro at BoR, at the end of the FS it was 50.- Euro profit. What???
You can imagine how you sit in front of the screen and would like to throw the box away.
Fortunately, I could mostly still halfway compensate for the losses or minimize, but from the times before was nothing to see.

I think the system of Online Casinos has changed, to the chagrin of the many (addicted) players. They're all being fleeced now. What is happening in the arcades at the machine is now slowly coming to the online casinos

And the scam with the "we can not complete their payout" because apparently the winnings were achieved by another bank account from which one has deposited - only for one reason do the online casinos, so that one cancels the payout already well-behaved and then again runs the Risk of spending everything. The calculation works out wonderfully! Just like that now always the complete balance is deposited in the slot, again only for one reason, one gambles away thereby substantially more at money. Nothing else. The brain sets off, the stimulus is much greater than reason. They know exactly how to make the player gamble it all away.
And finally, for a few days I've been watching slots and their "players" again and again, mostly high rollers, there's something hugely wrong - either it's bots that make you spin nice and high too. Otherwise, I can not explain what is going on. Actually, I should record this now and then upload. Also today again play at BoR, Lord of the Ocean, Dolphins Pearl "bots" with 3 paylines, mostly 24.- euros per spin, and now comes the hammer. On the player account are always, I stress ALWAYS, around 30,000 to 40,000 euros. No matter what the player does, he spins a round and then, out of the blue, the account balance jumps from e.g. 32,389 to 34,125. Put it back up so that the bot can continue playing .

Have you had similar experiences????

I know a lot of text and suffering, but the online world has changed, with me it looks like a very thick conclusion! Greetings!

50 € per spin, seriously? That's not even close to normal....

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Iace779 wrote on 01/09/2017 at 13:31

Avantgarde83 wrote on 01/09/2017 at 07:16: Can you explain about BOts again? I lost the thread at that point...
Bots fill up your account? I do not check

and 25,000 - my goodness you win also surely only with mega much luck plus gamble on 20 euros, right?

Hello Avantgarde, of course no problem. These are players in spectator mode, where the account balance (which you see as a spectator) is always corrected upwards. So without free spins or direct winnings. That would be like when you play, and the account balance suddenly increases out of the blue. A dream thought but with the "normal" Players impossible. Therefore also my assumption with the automated players. In the meantime, you can tell relatively quickly who is a "real" player in spectator mode, and who seems more "faked". As TomWegas described it, it's marketing strategies that get us real players to place higher bets and possibly lose more.

Yes the 25k was last year, on Lucky Lady, I think on 15.- FS and then extensions without end, with a spin where all 5 balls came.
Once I had in the Jackpot game Kings Treasure on 80 cents bet the full row of kings, were at that time in the jackpot 20,000. I took then with thanks.
In BoR I have often had 5 explorers in a row, or max. 4 (the fifth was always missing) explorers in the free spins.

In total, I have won about 150,000 in the last 2 years, but also a lot of coal deposited and lost. However, the calculation always works out for the OC, fortunately I have taken a good plus from the whole story. Now it's over, I have often thought about it in the last few weeks, if I had continued the years so geamcht, then good night. And now back to the small stakes, that does not work, or at least not for me. If one once on 15.- free spins had one tries it again and again. Just like the high rollers who play on max bet 100.- per spin. Once FS get you are in the loop. And then the coal just pelts past you. Having money in your hand and seeing money on the screen are 2 different worlds, I have fortunately said to me every time a high profit, look at it now in real in your hand in 50.- bills, which were often quite thick bundles. And then I paid out!

How is it going with you, where do you play and do you also have the feeling that larger profits are missing?

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Avantgarde83 wrote on 01/09/2017 at 14:32

Oh well: if you have some tips/games (what goes so well in the long run), keep them coming

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Avantgarde83 wrote on 01/09/2017 at 15:05

this can be good of course. I just thought (also as a beginner) it would be nice to get some more nice slots, because I don't want to test out 500 erschiedene - the selection is very large and confusing...

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Avantgarde83 wrote on 01/09/2017 at 14:32

Iace779 wrote on 01.09.2017 at 13:31

Avantgarde83 wrote on 01/09/2017 at 07:16: Can you explain about the BOts again? I lost the thread at that point...
Bots fill up your account? I do not check

and 25,000 - my goodness you win also surely only with mega much luck plus gamble on 20 euros, right?

Hello Avantgarde, of course no problem. These are players in spectator mode, where the account balance (which you see as a spectator) is always corrected upwards. So without free spins or direct winnings. That would be like when you play, and the account balance suddenly increases out of the blue. A dream thought but with the "normal" Players impossible. Therefore also my assumption with the automated players. In the meantime, you can tell relatively quickly who is a "real" player in spectator mode, and who seems more "faked". As TomWegas described it, it's marketing strategies that get us real players to place higher bets and possibly lose more.

Yes the 25k was last year, on Lucky Lady, I think on 15.- FS and then extensions without end, with a spin where all 5 balls came.
Once I had in the Jackpot game Kings Treasure on 80 cents bet the full row of kings, were at that time in the jackpot 20,000. I took then with thanks.
In BoR I have often had 5 explorers in a row, or max. 4 (the fifth was always missing) explorers in the free spins.

In total, I have won about 150,000 in the last 2 years, but also a lot of coal deposited and lost. However, the calculation always works out for the OC, fortunately I have taken a good plus from the whole story. Now it's over, I have often thought about it in the last few weeks, if I had continued the years so geamcht, then good night. And now back to the small stakes, that does not work, or at least not for me. If one once on 15.- free spins had one tries it again and again. Just like the high rollers who play on max bet 100.- per spin. Once FS get you are in the loop. And then the coal just pelts past you. Having money in your hand and seeing money on the screen are 2 different worlds, I have fortunately said to me every time a high profit, look at it now in real in your hand in 50.- bills, which were often quite thick bundles. And then I paid out!

How is it going with you, where do you play and do you also have the feeling that larger profits are missing?

I have tried a few casinos (but have only been playing for about 2 months or so). Mainly Casumo, Mr Green and LeoVegas, because I have won quite a bit at them. However, I play 20, 40, 60 cents and 1-2 euros (if it goes well). To the 25k I will then probably not come

The last few days just lost...vll wrong game or wrong time, no idea. You are responsible for your own actions, as already written. I am currently plus / minus 0 out, so still goes.

But would like to have times so 4-5k profit, that would be mega! I stay on the ball with relatively small deposits 15-50 euro usually. Let's see when there is something again...

I think the casinos do not matter because the games are hosted externally, right? Since you can take any casino, but surely comes out the same.

Let's see what September brings

Oh well: if you have a few tips / games (which runs so well in the long run), always her with it

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TomWegas wrote on 01/09/2017 at 15:01

Avantgarde83 wrote on 09/01/2017 at 2:32 PM

Oh well: if you have some tips/games (what goes so well in the long run), keep them coming

I don't understand this question from players towards other players. Machine games always have a negative expected value, regardless of whether a game now runs with others or not has no influence on their own performance.

The selection of a particular slot should be made according to one's own preferences and what one enjoys and likes as a theme. Of course, you can also get games recommended by other players, but not with the expectation that it runs well in the long run. That's nothing against you Avantgarde but you should just make that clear.

@Iace779

I can understand that you have the feeling as if it would run worse with you with higher stakes, but it makes especially with Highrollern no sense for serious providers to give worse profit than normal. The AQ is usually the same for all stakes, if that is not so then there should be a margin in the rules (also happens sometimes with rounding differences).

That you believe to get relatively worse winnings on higher stakes, may be so in your case. But this is because you have a much larger sample size on smaller stakes than on higher ones. In addition, you tend to forget about bad rounds on lower stakes, whereas you always keep the ones on higher stakes and hope that it will work out like the best free spins on lower stakes.

For the manufacturers and casinos, it makes no sense to give high rollers percentage-wise worse payouts, since they earn significantly more on higher spins anyway:

If someone spins for 1€ the casino/producer gets 5 cents per spin at 95% AQ
If someone spins for 50€ the casino/producer gets 2,50€ per spin at 95% AQ

Why should one manipulate as a respectable offerer there something? There are even slot games in real casinos where the percentage payout increases with higher stakes, e.g. Jackpot slots where you can only win the jackpot with Max Bet. I personally don't know of any slot where the payout percentage decreases with the size of the bet.

I can understand that from your perception but it makes no sense. It just doesn't work for you at the moment and that's just normal in gambling, because you always have a disadvantage and therefore always lose in the long run

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ace779 wrote on 01/09/2017 at 15:19

Avantgarde83 wrote on 01.09.2017 at 14:32

Iace779 wrote on 01/09/2017 at 13:31

Avantgarde83 wrote on 01/09/2017 at 07:16: Can you explain about the BOts again? I lost the thread at that point...
Bots fill up your account? I do not check

and 25,000 - my goodness you win also surely only with mega much luck plus gamble on 20 euros, right?

Hello Avantgarde, of course no problem. These are players in spectator mode, where the account balance (which you see as a spectator) is always corrected upwards. So without free spins or direct winnings. That would be like when you play, and the account balance suddenly increases out of the blue. A dream thought but with the "normal" Players impossible. Therefore also my assumption with the automated players. In the meantime, you can tell relatively quickly who is a "real" player in spectator mode, and who seems rather "faked". As TomWegas described it, it's marketing strategies that get us real players to place higher bets and possibly lose more.

Yes the 25k was last year, on Lucky Lady, I think on 15.- FS and then extensions without end, with a spin where all 5 balls came.
Once I had in the Jackpot game Kings Treasure on 80 cents bet the full row of kings, were at that time in the jackpot 20,000. I took then with thanks.
In BoR I have often had 5 explorers in a row, or max. 4 (the fifth was always missing) explorers in the free spins.

In total, I have won about 150,000 in the last 2 years, but also a lot of coal deposited and lost. However, the calculation always works out for the OC, fortunately I have taken a good plus from the whole story. Now it's over, I have often thought about it in the last few weeks, if I had continued the years so geamcht, then good night. And now back to the small stakes, that does not work, or at least not for me. If one once on 15.- free spins had one tries it again and again. Just like the high rollers who play on max bet 100.- per spin. Once FS get you are in the loop. And then the coal just pelts past you. Having money in your hand and seeing money on the screen are 2 different worlds, I have fortunately said to me every time a high profit, look at it now in real in your hand in 50.- bills, which were often quite thick bundles. And then I paid out!

How is it going with you, where do you play and do you also have the feeling that larger profits are missing?

I have tried a few casinos (but have only been playing for about 2 months or so). Mainly Casumo, Mr Green and LeoVegas, because I have won quite a bit at them. However, I play 20, 40, 60 cents and 1-2 euros (if it goes well). To the 25k I will then probably not come

The last few days just lost...vll wrong game or wrong time, no idea. You are responsible for your own actions, as already written. I am currently plus / minus 0 out, so still goes.

But would like to have times so 4-5k profit, that would be mega! I stay on the ball with relatively small deposits 15-50 euro usually. Let's see when there is something again...

I think the casinos do not matter because the games are hosted externally, right? Since you can take any casino, but surely comes out the same.

Let's see what September brings

Oh well: if you have a few tips / games (which runs so well in the long run), always her with it

Greetings! So right away, the probably most important Tip, stay with your max. bet of 2.-. You probably won't get your desired winnings of 4k - 5k, but this way you keep everything under control. As soon as you (like me) have won this 4000.-, you are in the spiral. Fortunately for me it went on like that, as I said before, 20k, 25k, then more often 8k again, etc. But your head stops, like at the vending machine in the pub, you want more and your happiness hormones keep pouring out this feeling. I know what I'm talking about .
And I have as described above always imagined the virtual money in real, that was a great help and my salvation.

Among the games I played, often BoR Deluxe (which usually turned out quite well), then the games with when he opens many FS (Dolphins Pearl Deluxe, Lucky Lady). Once had 180 FS on 8.- stake, were then in the end about 15k.

Do not be influenced by my high winnings, very important, forget these sums immediately again. Especially because you have only been playing for 2 months. You will surely have a profit of 1.5 or 2k on 2.-, no question. Or maybe even more, everything is possible. Only, and here it comes, use your head afterwards and think about whether that was your desired profit and thus your playing career is over. Because very few people can do that. I overshot the mark, if I had quit at the beginning of the year I would be better / richer now. But I accept that, I am responsible for myself and still have my plus .

I think the boss here from the site (I think his name is Daniel) has had a similar experience as me.
All the best!

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