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Online Casinos in general: What the multi games in online gaming arcades are all about...

Topic created on 29th Jun. 2023 | Page: 1 of 1 | Answers: 8 | Views: 1,290
Matthias
Expert
Dear Community,

now follows an article written by me, which could have been a news article because of its length and the amount of information.
Nevertheless, I want to put it in the forum and am very curious about your feedback!

I have a question for you guys: I played a bit at JackpotPiraten and at Jokerstar today, just to see how playing currently feels from Germany - if anything has improved and so on. Basically everything was as usual, there is the 5 seconds rule and 1 Euro max-bet on each slot.

But then I came across the multi-games:
Eye of Horus Multi
Fishin' Frenzy Multi
Blazing Star Multi

I have to admit that this was the first time I heard about the Multi games, even though they seem to have been around for a while.
There the game runs quasi exactly, as one knows it from the gaming house and apparently the authority agrees with this conversion of the games, otherwise the offerers would not make these Slots available.
One can e.g. for 1 euro 10 Spins on 10 cent or 4 Spins on 25 cent or also 2 Spins on 50 cent , the automatically (Autoplay) are played.

Honestly this was a pleasure for me, this was really fun again, even if the stakes are of course small.
But maybe I just thought it was cool because I love technical gimmicks.
I then imagined that you now need a higher minimum stake of, for example, 10 euros, then you could buy with 10 euros stake also times a 5 package of 2 euro spins, which are then played at a pleasant pace.

What do you think? Have you tried this type of slot before?

Now something from my hand to the technical background:
There is yes the gaming ordinance for the regulation of commercial gambling machines and it says: "Maximum 400 euros win and 60 euros loss per hour".
Nevertheless one can win at the automats in the local gaming houses also with much luck amounts of up to or over 1000 euro (only these wins are then paid out gradually).
One plays however at the automats not with real money, but e.g. with bits or LEVEL, which look only in such a way, as if it were cent amounts.
Of course we all know that this is real money, but what happens then, the roller game, that is actually only decoration, as the machine manufacturers call it.
Booking 20 cents to the right means you've bet 20 cents, and you usually "win" 20 bits or 20 levels once the money is converted.
The booking is the actual money game - the small reel, in fact, just the small reel that books the money back and forth.
What happens after that, playing with the virtual currency "levels", is not regulated, so you can play high with those bits or levels.
You can bet e.g. 200 levels per spin and win 100000 levels - but that is play money and therefore not regulated.
You can't regulate anyone's game with play money. Do you understand?

And the booking back of these won bits or levels is then again part of the real money game. I.e. the levels or bits are exchanged back into euros,
even if this is not so obvious at first. But it doesn't say anymore that you win Euro amounts or gamble with cent or Euro stakes, if you look closely.
Because it is also not a real exchange, but it is a game, you bet virtual money and win "possibly" real money.
Here, the "probability of winning" is set by the machine manufacturer to almost 100%, so that the player does not understand that the money game is running here when booking, which is subject to regulation.

I myself have often cursed at the local machine, when I have won something and then gambled away my money in the end, because it was not booked back fast enough.
An example from my last visit to a casino:
Matthias
Sorry, I didn't gamble away my money, I gambled away my LEVEL, the virtual money.
Because the win you see on the winning picture is actually not a money win, but a level win or bits win and that is play money.
But you can then bet the play money and win real money as soon as the reel game starts again in reverse and the money is booked back to the left.
And when you have "maximum 400 euros win" in an hour, the machine makes the booking pause...

On top of that, some may know, car booking doesn't work anymore. The auto-booking was namely "autoplay" at that time. Autoplay was banned.
I.e. the small, automatic roller play during the booking process was stopped.
Nowadays one must confirm to my knowledge each reservation step by hand, because that is evenly then again the actual play .
The fact that one plays later via automatic mode with levels, that does not interest the Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt, if they accept the automats before the enterprise in conformity with the law.

I hope you can still follow me...

Now to the vending machine games on the Internet, which are offered under the regulation:
I think the implementation is based on the function of local Slot machines, where playing with higher stakes and high wins is made possible by the above described clever little trick of the Slot machine industry .

Just like in local slot machine regulation, where the small reel game of booking is counted as the real money game, now only the pure purchase of single spins is considered a game. The purchase of spins is duly allowed only every 5 seconds, as per the regulation.

The proof of this statement is also that in the above mentioned games, the obtained wins have no currency symbol .
Matthias
(The reels spinning on the screen afterwards are only the animation for the virtual money game, here the spins are allowed to run fast)

If you play other games from the same manufacturer (in the case Merkur) the won amount will be displayed with currency symbol .
Matthias
(In these games the big reel game is the real money game - therefore this is slowed down and regulated)

In the case of Multi Slots, the virtual money won from the big reel game ends up in a buffer before the money is then posted to the real money credit account.

Once you understand this, everything becomes logical. Then it is logical why you have to take a break at the local gaming machine after depositing 60 euros,
because in the legal sense it is not a Deposit of 60 euros, but one has already lost 60 euros - or rather converted into play money.
Then it is also logical why the machine does not simply pay out 1000 euros, but only 400 euros "maximum win per hour" are possible.
Reverse = Win
Then it is also logical why through the multi machines the big reels run again at the usual speed and then it is in my opinion actually only a matter of time until playing in online gaming arcades is fun again - namely when the game manufacturers have all integrated the "multi-function" and the maximum bet is raised to e.g. 10 euros per spin, so that you can also buy times 5 spins on 2 euros bet, which can be played quickly.

And one last thing - why actually the 5 seconds rule? This is also actually obvious now:
The automats in the Internet are regulated similarly, like the automats in the local gaming house - only the software in the gaming houses is already somewhat more developed.
Here, too, booking takes place only every 5 seconds - does anyone remember? There must be someone here who gambles in a Spielo from time to time.
Every 5 seconds you can "book over" 20 cents, or bet / risk. Right?
And that's exactly how it is in online gaming arcades - every 5 seconds a bet. With the multi-slots, exactly this fun brake is bypassed.

Phew, I have now written a lot, I hope that this forum post makes the rounds, that feedback comes and that the effort of clarification is worthwhile.

Have a nice weekend, best regards!

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Stromberg
Legend
Strange that you can regulate everything through and then be fooled in this way, which is known from the game 😅
Is yes so far only with the German providers to find, as far as I know, let's see if it becomes standard...
Unfortunately does not change anything about the miserable rtp

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Donnie
Elite

Stromberg wrote on 29.06.2023 at 19:09: Strange that you regulate everything through and then let yourself be fooled in this way, which is yes known from the game 😅
Is yes so far only with the German providers to find, as far as I know, let's see if it becomes standard...
Unfortunately does not change anything about the miserable rtp

I think the lousy RTP is the worst of all. You win very rarely and are gutted like a Christmas goose. Then comes the not possible auto-spin and lastly the minimum bet, which bothers me the least of all

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Matthias
Expert
This should not be understood as begging, but please give the first post above a Like, if you liked the content or was useful. I can buy nothing for the Likes, but then I know whether the effort to write something like this - worthwhile in the future . Thank you!

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Stromberg
Legend

Matthias wrote on 29.06.2023 at 20:19: This should not be understood as begging, but please give the first post above a Like, if you liked the content or was useful. I can't buy anything for the likes, but then I know if it's worth the effort to write something like this in the future . Thank you!

Sure, it was useful. As a pure online gambler who was never in a Spielo, I knew this principle with the book, but not described in such detail...

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garfield68
Elite
@matthias you have very well and accurately described. just as it runs in the spielo. and what concerns online these multi games, these I always play very gladly, just for the reason because it then runs again "normal". unfortunately, only very few games are currently offered with this function. at StarGames, there was this also for a while, (just like the version with the extra spins, which was exactly the same principle. ) then the were suddenly disappeared. had some weeks ago the StarGames manager on it addressed (see stargames thread) he meant thereupon the should come back and are at the time to check with the authorities. that now but already for several weeks. I hope times the come back just as before.

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gamble1
Icon
Matthias wrote on 29.06.2023 at 18:51: Dear Community,

now follows a post written by me, which could have actually become a news article due to its length and multitude of information.
Nevertheless, I would like to put it in the forum and am very curious about your feedback!

I have a question for you guys: I played a bit at JackpotPiraten and at Jokerstar today, just to see how playing currently feels from Germany - if anything has improved and so on. Basically everything was as usual, there is the 5 seconds rule and 1 Euro max-bet on each slot.

But then I came across the multi-games:
Eye of Horus Multi
Fishin' Frenzy Multi
Blazing Star Multi

I have to admit that this was the first time I heard about the Multi games, even though they seem to have been around for a while.
There the game runs quasi exactly, as one knows it from the gaming house and apparently the authority agrees with this conversion of the games, otherwise the offerers would not make these Slots available.
One can e.g. for 1 euro 10 Spins on 10 cent or 4 Spins on 25 cent or also 2 Spins on 50 cent , the automatically (Autoplay) are played.

Honestly this was a pleasure for me, this was really fun again, even if the stakes are of course small.
But maybe I just thought it was cool because I love technical gimmicks.
I then imagined that you now need a higher minimum stake of, for example, 10 euros, then you could buy with 10 euros stake also times a 5 package of 2 euro spins, which are then played at a pleasant pace.

What do you think? Have you tried this type of slot before?

Now something from my hand to the technical background:
There is yes the gaming ordinance for the regulation of commercial gambling machines and it says: "Maximum 400 euros win and 60 euros loss per hour".
Nevertheless one can win at the automats in the local gaming houses also with much luck amounts of up to or over 1000 euro (only these wins are then paid out gradually).
One plays however at the automats not with real money, but e.g. with bits or LEVEL, which look only in such a way, as if it were cent amounts.
Of course we all know that this is real money, but what happens then, the roller game, that is actually only decoration, as the machine manufacturers call it.
Booking 20 cents to the right means you've bet 20 cents, and you usually "win" 20 bits or 20 levels once the money is converted.
The booking is the actual money game - the small reel, in fact, just the small reel that books the money back and forth.
What happens after that, playing with the virtual currency "levels", is not regulated, so you can play high with those bits or levels.
You can bet e.g. 200 levels per spin and win 100000 levels - but that is play money and therefore not regulated.
You can't regulate anyone's game with play money. Do you understand?

And the booking back of these won bits or levels is then again part of the real money game. I.e. the levels or bits are exchanged back into euros,
even if this is not so obvious at first. But it doesn't say any more that you win Euro amounts or gamble with cent or Euro stakes, if you look closely.
Because it is also not a real exchange, but it is a game, you bet virtual money and win "possibly" real money.
Here, the "probability of winning" is set by the machine manufacturer to almost 100%, so that the player does not understand that the money game is running here when booking, which is subject to regulation.

I myself have often cursed at the local machine, when I have won something and then gambled away my money in the end, because it was not booked back fast enough.
An example from my last visit to a casino:
gamble1
Sorry, I didn't gamble away my money, I gambled away my LEVEL, the virtual money.
Because the win you see on the winning picture is actually not a money win, but a level win or bits win and that is play money.
But you can then bet the play money and win real money as soon as the reel game starts again in reverse and the money is booked back to the left.
And when you have "maximum 400 euros win" in an hour, the machine makes the booking pause...

On top of that, some may know, car booking doesn't work anymore. The auto-booking was namely "autoplay" at that time. Autoplay was banned.
I.e. the small, automatic roller play during the booking process was stopped.
Nowadays one must confirm to my knowledge each reservation step by hand, because that is evenly then again the actual play .
The fact that one plays later via automatic mode with levels, that does not interest the Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt, if they accept the automats before the enterprise in conformity with the law.

I hope you can still follow me...

Now to the vending machine games on the Internet, which are offered under the regulation:
I think the implementation is based on the function of local Slot machines, where playing with higher stakes and high wins is made possible by the above described clever little trick of the Slot machine industry .

Just like in local slot machine regulation, where the small reel game of booking is counted as the real money game, now only the pure purchase of single spins is considered a game. The purchase of spins is duly allowed only every 5 seconds, as per the regulation.

The proof of this statement is also that in the above mentioned games, the obtained wins have no currency symbol .
gamble1
(The reels spinning on the screen afterwards are only the animation for the virtual money game, here the spins are allowed to run fast)

If you play other games from the same manufacturer (in the case Merkur) the won amount will be displayed with currency symbol .
gamble1
(In these games the big reel game is the real money game - therefore this is slowed down and regulated)

In the case of Multi Slots, the virtual money won from the big reel game ends up in a buffer before the money is then posted to the real money credit account.

Once you understand this, everything becomes logical. Then it is logical why you have to take a break at the local gaming machine after depositing 60 euros,
because in the legal sense it is not a Deposit of 60 euros, but one has already lost 60 euros - or rather converted into play money.
Then it is also logical why the machine does not simply pay out 1000 euros, but only 400 euros "maximum win per hour" are possible.
Reverse = Win
Then it is also logical why through the multi machines the big reels run again at the usual speed and then it is in my opinion actually only a matter of time until playing in online gaming arcades is fun again - namely when the game manufacturers have all integrated the "multi-function" and the maximum bet is raised to e.g. 10 euros per spin, so that you can also buy times 5 spins on 2 euros bet, which can be played quickly.

And one last thing - why actually the 5 seconds rule? This is also actually obvious now:
The machines on the Internet are regulated similarly to the machines in the local gambling house - only the software in the gambling houses is already somewhat more developed.
Here, too, booking takes place only every 5 seconds - does anyone remember? There must be someone here who gambles in a Spielo from time to time.
Every 5 seconds you can "book over" 20 cents, or bet / risk. Right?
And that's exactly how it is in online gaming arcades - every 5 seconds a bet. With the multi-slots, exactly this fun brake is bypassed.

Phew, I have now written a lot, I hope that this forum post makes the rounds, that feedback comes and that the effort of clarification is worthwhile.

Have a nice weekend, best regards!

Exactly therefore I say already years one would have to develop a whole Casino after the off-line principle and could offer to the people again something better maintenance


The whole stuff is simply 1:1 adapted to the current laws only with one difference namely offline everything was circumvented and online it has so far only the big players who have already circumvented everything offline managed to develop slots according to the principle to circumvent the rules there as well

Other providers who have nothing to do with DE like Play'n Go simply know nothing about the DE principle according to the motto you just have to interpret it 1:1 as on paper then it fits and therefore nothing happens in the direction

I was very surprised I thought the online gaming arcades that are close to Gauselmann will be 100% like offline when they open but apparently it was cheaper to take a ready-made casino solution at least that's the only way I can explain it to myself

Theoretically, the valid contract always says you can only bet 0.20 and win a maximum of 2 € per game round as it was already the case with the first money players only came with the time of multigamers then also the attempt to bend more and more the rules and it was allowed just by the point game which is now also prohibited and by the no longer 1:1 booked money with a deviation of +/- 0.10 € counts as a game (including another name)

Starting from Tr. 4.0 it went yes correctly Los whereby there in the comparison to before something was braked which concerned however mainly the Ein and Auszahlung so from there only the border with the 80 € and 500 € Ein and Auszahlung as well as the 5 minutes break was introduced those yes then starting from Tr.5.0 and 5.1 on 60 € and 400 € was adapted with the addition of the 3 hours break

All in all it is a single circumvention of the rules but would it not be so the case we would have to play like 20 years ago on the old roller machines

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Saphira
Expert
I've never been to a Spielo, but I recently discovered these multi-games online, I think at JackpotPiraten or StarGames, and found it quite pleasant that the automatic spins ran so quickly. I didn't stick with it though, because it was mostly deadspins. Still, it's a good way to get around the rules. I'd like to see more of it. By the way, I found your article very informative.

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roccoammo11
Expert

Saphira wrote on 29.06.2023 at 23:21: Never been in a Spielo, but have these multi-games recently discovered online, I think at JackpotPiraten or StarGames and found it quite pleasant that the automatic spins ran so quickly. I didn't stick with it though, because it was mostly deadspins. Still, it's a good way to get around the rules. I'd like to see more of it. By the way, I found your article very informative.

just go into one or only at a gas station or bhf.employees are usually very friendly everywhere and since everything is different online makes it there at least still fun.who should have prejudices because of other guests just go to the end of the month early after deem open there you are safe completely alone.you should remember that you can become addicted offline faster in my opinion and much better runs of course mostly not but the fun factor is there at least still present!would also be for the same principle offline as online to implement but unfortunately do not believe it really comes so far

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