Videoslots and the RTP value

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18th Aug. 2019, at 05:41 pm CEST#101

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Chillaqueen92 wrote on 08/18/2019 at 17:22
What is the srp at slottracker.com anyway?

Next to the srp is a question mark, you can click on it...^^

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18th Aug. 2019, at 05:52 pm CEST#102

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Chillaqueen92 wrote on 08/18/2019 at 17:22
What is actually the srp at slottracker.com?

With SRP every spin is treated the same no matter what the bet amount is. With RTP, the slot tracker works so that all bets are added together and all wins and that regardless of the bet. An example why the RTP can be heavily distorted in this case:

Player 1: 100 spins on 0.10 € (so a total of 10 €) and total winnings are together 9 € -> RTP 90%
Player 2: 1 spin on 1 €, wins directly 10 € -> RTP 1000 %

Slot Tracker RTP: 101 spins, total bet 11 €, total winnings 19 € -> RTP 172 %

RTP is what the slot spits out from all bets and SRP is what it spits out in relation to the bet. There the stakes are adjusted, in the example the SRP should be 91% (No guarantee that I have mathematically perfectly grasped).

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18th Aug. 2019, at 07:31 pm CEST#103

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So what is partly verzapft here....

The most important point, the RTP does not necessarily equalize for a player. That can be but does not have to be and therefore the statement is just bullshit.
I myself have already made hundreds of thousands of spins on slots and there is nothing equal, on the contrary, you are far below the official indication if you are unlucky.

Also, Videoslots must not be taken so much in defense here, they are just as a money-grubbing company as all other OCs and want, exactly, all our money, no more and no less. Of course, the offers and the quality of the services differ among all these companies, so you can say that VS is one of the ones that are okay. But there are also some others who can do that well. I leave the whole customer bullshit with the battles etc. out of it, nice that there is but more than a waste of time is not the crap and revenue-free freespins as a reward have others already
Also, the payout speed is not always so super, mostly yes, but if you win more than usual it can take 1-2 whole days until the payout...there is already looked at closely.

Why I relativize the high praise of VS has a reason, the providers with lowered RTPs have a much greater impact than it is clear to many. The problem with the thing, makes it one make it many, if one of the largest no longer offers RTP then one must not even and so since the beginning of the year many have switched to the new versions with lowered RTPs. This has had a big impact on the games, it's not like this has minimal impact on the games and you can play and win virtually the same as before, shenanigans this is not so! The games behave completely different since then and yes you can still get the usual wins but and this is the crucial thing, the wins come noticeably less often and what happens in between is exactly under all sow. The adjustment for the lower RTP has had a very negative impact on the games and often they just run down, for example, you can make 1,000 spins on Rise of Olympus and have easily times to 700 deadspins, the game has always had phases with deadspins but to that extent only since the change, I call customer f**k! With Reactoons, for example, it is similar, only there are not so many deadspins but the game runs partly just like that, 1,000 spins and he just eats the balance and there is really nothing. It's not about the big win with 15 purple or green, it's about that nothing comes...NOTHING!
As I said, it is a big difference and I have made before and after both slots several hundred thousand spins, I know what I'm talking about. One notices the difference also beautifully if one meets like with Pokerstars e.g. times again on the normal version, the play runs immediately again completely differently, I do not speak only of the Bigwins but of the play process altogether.
I can now of the providers who have lowered the RTP only to PnG what say, the others I play only rarely and do not know how it is there in comparison.

That is my point of view on the subject and what Videoslots has set in motion is real bullshit for the player!

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18th Aug. 2019, at 09:15 pm CEST#104

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jokers11 wrote on 08/18/2019 2:54 pm: My question was if the providers are able to change the RTP and therefore the
Change the programming? Apparently they can, otherwise there wouldn't be different
Versions with different RTP at the slots

Sure, the providers can change the programming. Each file or program has a unique hash value. If the program is changed, then the hash value also changes and this would then be noticed immediately during an audit. You can read more about file hash here: https://sid-500.com/2017/06/18/get-filehash-hash-einer-datei-anzeigen/

If everything runs correctly (and it should), then the program/game is simply reprogrammed a bit and the code for the new version is then sent to a test lab like this one: http://www.itechlabs.com.au/sidebar-eng/rng-testing-certification/

Then the lab verifies the version and notes the hash value. From then on the new version can be used. The new RTP values are also listed in the game info.

Of course, the game providers could still cheat, but why would they do that? They make billions in a completely legal way and that really adds up. The game providers tend to focus on producing slots that are more addictive, have better effects, etc. This way they increase their wins because more people are looking for the slots. How many spins do you think are made globally?

To 100% exclude that never something goes wrong or that is never cheated you can not. But there are so many game providers (Play n' Go, Microgaming, Red Tiger Gaming, Big Time Gaming, Thunderkick, etc.). I don't think any of them manipulate their slots and work with illegal methods. They are all in competition with each other and if one cheats, I am sure that another player would use this to get rid of a competitor.

jokers11 wrote on 08/18/2019 at 14:54: So it is purely theoretically possible to program an RTP of 70%, right?

Sure it is possible. In gaming arcades, the slots have an RTP of an estimated 75%. To achieve this, there are fewer high symbols on the reels than in Online Casinos or casinos. Lotto, as well as scratch tickets have an RTP of about 50%. Coin toss has an RTP of 100%, making it the most favorable game . However, you can also lose in the short and medium term with coin tossing.

jokers11 wrote on 08/18/2019 at 14:54: So how do I know if the RTP is correct?
In Roulette, I can see the last 20 numbers that fell, and I can write that down myself and
calculate
If a slot counts all the players who have ever deposited in a particular slot, how do I know if the RTP is correct?
how can I calculate that? Aren't they obliged to publish something like that?
As I wrote: Slot A: deposit/withdrawal, number of players, differentiated in all Deposit levels
in a period of one year? And only then I have the correct RTP?

Do I see it correctly like this?

How would you determine the RTP for a coin toss, for example? Would you flip the coin 1 million times, write down the numbers and then calculate it? You can do it that way, but with the help of stochastic and its laws you only have to look at the game and you can calculate a RTP of 100%

There are only two possibilities in coin tossing: Heads or Tails. If you double your bet with heads and lose your bet with tails, then you can pay that with 1 million attempts heads and tails will come equally often.

The same can be calculated for roulette, which is a bit more complicated. And you can also calculate it this way for Slot machines, which is even more extensive and complicated than roulette.

If you look at the last 20 fallen numbers in roulette, it doesn't tell you anything about the RTP. The period or the number of games is much, much too small. At most, it shows you your personal RTP, just like with Videoslots.

I only know roughly how such tests are run in the labs, but basically the corresponding experts look at the code or the reels, calculate the RTP value, run the program at high speed 1 million times or more to check whether they have not miscalculated (practical test). If the RTP after this test matches the calculated value (except for minimal deviations), then the whole thing fits and the house is ready.

Important to understand about RTP is: RTP of 95% does not mean that you will lose only 5% of your bet money in total in the long run, but that you will lose 5% of your bet money on average in the long run per spin . You must not forget about the intermediate winnings that you usually gamble away again

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18th Aug. 2019, at 09:30 pm CEST#105

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1% decrease in RTP is an insanely high value and of course this has an impact on
on the games !

At the example bet-at-home, as I mentioned above, are (or would be...) that with a turnover (now times bets
inclusive, also does not depend on it...) of over 3 billion times evenly 30 MILLION € !!!
at 1.5% then 45 million € more profit, per year ! ! That is gigantic, extrapolated to all casinos

I can the Daniel there only fully agree, why should OC's cheat there still?

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18th Aug. 2019, at 11:47 pm CEST#106

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Unbeliver wrote on 08/18/2019 at 19:31: So what is partly here verzapft....

The most important point, the RTP does not necessarily equalize for a player. That can be but does not have to be and thus the statement is just bullshit.
I myself have already made hundreds of thousands of spins on slots and there is nothing equal, on the contrary, you are far below the official indication if you are unlucky.

Also, Videoslots must not be taken so much in defense here, they are just as a money-grubbing company as all other OCs and want, exactly, all our money, no more and no less. Of course, the offers and the quality of the services differ among all these companies, so you can say that VS is one of the ones that are okay. But there are also some others who can do that well. I leave the whole customer bullshit with the battles etc. out of it, nice that there is but more than a waste of time is not the crap and revenue-free freespins as a reward have others already
Also, the payout speed is not always so super, mostly yes, but if you win more than usual it can take 1-2 whole days until the payout...there is already looked at closely.

Why I relativize the high praise of VS has a reason, the providers with lowered RTPs have a much greater impact than it is clear to many. The problem with the thing, makes it one make it many, if one of the largest no longer offers RTP then one must not even and so since the beginning of the year many have switched to the new versions with lowered RTPs. This has had a big impact on the games, it's not like this has minimal impact on the games and you can play and win virtually the same as before, shenanigans this is not so! The games behave completely different since then and yes you can still get the usual wins but and this is the crucial thing, the wins come noticeably less often and what happens in between is exactly under all sow. The adjustment for the lower RTP has had a very negative impact on the games and often they just run down, for example, you can make 1,000 spins on Rise of Olympus and have easily times to 700 deadspins, the game has always had phases with deadspins but to that extent only since the change, I call customer f**k! With Reactoons, for example, it is similar, only there are not so many deadspins but the game runs partly just like that, 1,000 spins and he just eats the balance and there is really nothing. It's not about the big win with 15 purple or green, it's about that nothing comes...NOTHING!
As I said, it is a big difference and I have made before and after both slots several hundred thousand spins, I know what I'm talking about. One notices the difference also beautifully if one meets like with Pokerstars e.g. times again on the normal version, the play runs immediately again completely differently, I do not speak only of the Bigwins but of the play process altogether.
I can now of the providers who have lowered the RTP only to PnG what say, the others I play only rarely and do not know how it is there in comparison.

That is my point of view on the subject and what Videoslots has set in motion is real bullshit for the player!

About the RTP versions: Even before Videoslots they existed and were used. Had made a list at the time and eigl. all there had before Videoslots the reduced version in it.

Am by the way with all praise for VS since the RTP reduction locked the explanations well and good but the kind of reaction for me inexplicable and with clear intention so chosen that one is bound by the Battles, Wekend Booster, Trophies, ...as a player to VS. Can forget the with me.

Would rather have done without all the tam tam and played with the original RTP.

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16th Oct. 2020, at 02:37 pm CEST#107

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is there now since the latest the chance? so in one game 1 to 41 million on the 50,000 hit and the other 1 to 112 billion on the 10,000 hit?
or how is it to be understood?

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16th Oct. 2020, at 02:53 pm CEST#108

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Iseedeadpeople wrote on 16.10.2020 at 14:37: is there now since the latest chance with it? so in one game 1 to 41 mio on the 50,000 hit and the other 1 to 112 mrd on the 10,000 hit?
or how is it to be understood?

Yo. 1 in 112 billion is strong. Just about 1,180 times less likely than hitting the EuroJackpot. You can work with that.

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16th Oct. 2020, at 05:08 pm CEST#109

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That sounds bad at first. But the more spins you make on the slot, the lower the probability becomes.

This is only the chance if you make 1 spin only once. After all, the rtp also changes with several spins.

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16th Oct. 2020, at 05:28 pm CEST#110

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ChillEffect wrote on 16.10.2020 at 17:08: That sounds bad at first. But the more spins you do on the slot the lower the probability becomes.

That's only the chance if you make 1 spin once. After all, the rtp also changes with several spins

Theoretically you would have to make 112 billion spins to get 1x the maxwin... Theoretically! Then you would get 10.000 for 1 Euro
With 112 billion spins the rtp of 96,5 percent should be quite precise. Then you can calculate how high the loss would be.... I'd say that's just as bad as it sounds.... 😂

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