Let's put it this way that I moved to Germany, for this reason alone I am a man of simple words and when I write, there is really nothing to interpret, but I try to express myself reasonably clearly.
So if you don't have any problems with the concepts of GI, then as a gamer you will just have to put up with what you get served, it's as simple as that.
Secondly...Online gambling in Germany (as I have mentioned here before) is not a gray area but illegal
Read up on this...
Or what do you think why this has existed with chargebacks at all?
(Small Tip ... Reeckmann or Lenee write googeln-----> "illegal gambling")
Well anyway, you insist on rights and obligations on the part of the casinos, but do not adhere to any laws in this regard?
I would say: first sweep in front of their own door.
To your question whether I do not care how someone makes his money?
I have not yet written many posts here, but in one of my posts I wrote that I have lost 7 figures.
Money which flowed predominantly to the GI...if I leave my addiction outside ... "voluntarily"
So in my eyes really terrific entrepreneurs who have done everything right and still do - and you find that reprehensible that I value these as top entrepreneurs?
Ichbins2018 wrote on 24/09/2018 at 00:45: Let's put it this way that I moved to Germany, for that reason alone I am a man of simple words and when I write, then there is actually nothing to interpret, but I already try to express myself reasonably clearly.
So if you don't have any problems with the concepts of GI, then as a gamer you will just have to put up with what you get served, it's as simple as that.
Secondly...Online gambling is not a grey area in Germany (as I have already mentioned here), but illegal
Read up on this...
Or what do you think why this has existed with chargebacks at all?
(Small Tip ... Reeckmann or Lenee write googeln-----> "illegal gambling")
Well anyway, you insist on rights and obligations on the part of the casinos, but do not adhere to any laws in this regard?
I would say: first sweep in front of their own door.
To your question whether I do not care how someone makes his money?
I have not yet written many posts here, but in one of my posts I wrote that I have lost 7 figures.
Money which flowed predominantly to the GI...if I leave my addiction outside ... "voluntarily"
So in my eyes really terrific entrepreneurs who have done everything right and still do - and you find that reprehensible that I value these as top entrepreneurs?
I am not asking the casinos to fulfill their rights and obligations, but that Germany rewrite and ratify the failed gambling treaty. Then it would be legal for both sides and not a gray area and it is in theory as you say illegal, but in practice you are never prosecuted and therefore it comes close to a gray area. Chargebacks are a thing in themselves, if a lot of money can be charged back it might be worth the trouble. Otherwise it is not really worth it, PayPal closes the account and the house bank is no longer positively disposed towards one and gives worse credits, ... one would then have to change the bank or be a very lucrative customer for the bank to go through this well.
I myself do not play with real money at the moment, because the conditions bother me and I have become addicted. My losses are not 7 figures, although that is extreme - that is millions and I do not know if I can believe that. If you played 45 years then it's over 1800 € every month or 22,000 € every year and that's if you start from the lowest 7 figure sum. But well I would like to make the loss sum now also not the discussion topic.
Quote Ankor: Chargebacks are a thing in itself, if a lot of money can be charged back it might be worth the effort. Otherwise it's not really worth it, PayPal closes the account and the house bank is no longer positive towards you and gives worse credit, ... you would then have to change banks or be a very lucrative customer for the bank to go through this well.
Well Ankor...let me say so, banks nowadays remains little hidden (you're pretty transparent), also these are anything but stupid and thus it is as an addict only a matter of time until your credit rating is completely in the ass - and probably with every bank!
Where you could get help regarding your addiction Gamble Joe has described in detail here in the forum...otherwise just google, there are also platforms that deal exclusively with "gambling addiction".
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At least as far as creditworthiness is concerned, this is not necessarily the case
if, for example, PayPal were to make an unjustified claim, they would get the next lawsuit and lose.
in the gambling law it is clearly defined, that also the financial service providers, who enable gambling by deposits,
are liable to prosecution
no one can make anything out of an objection / chargeback due to a criminal offense, especially giving you a bad
schufa. Sure, Paypal closes your account.
that your house bank, which has the full overview of your finances, doesn't give you a credit, has another reason
reason. precisely because they see through constant ab- and zubuchungen that you zockst. and a Rückbuchung can yes also
the bank can also be affected by a chargeback. no one has ever sued through to the end. so why should they take the Risk?
however, if you keep your account "clean" for 4 weeks, you can take out a credit online at any time
since they usually only want to have account statements for 4 weeks.
creditworthiness and income provided of course.
Quote Stkrie: "no one can make anything out of an objection/reversal due to a criminal offense, especially you a bad
schufa. Sure, PayPal will close your account."
Absolutely right, only advantage, not only here on this platform a s.g. Blacklist is led, also on-line Casinos lead such -and as far as I know (must unfortunately speculate) you can set these equal with a block. Anyway, I would put someone who dares to rebook on an ignore list.
And since many casinos are linked to each other (probably there are very intimate relationships between them ) I think that this will have far-reaching consequences?
Quote Stkrie
however, if you keep your account "clean" for 4 weeks, you can always borrow online
as they usually only want bank statements for 4 weeks.
creditworthiness and income provided of course
You can actually leave it like that, unless the loan is taken out to finance gambling,
then I am convinced that you already have other problems.
Small addition,
online credit, I have now in this regard not the right knowledge, but are not these in relation to (d) a house bank pig expensive?
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no, in some cases even cheaper. so in the meantime nothing really gives!
you can compare, depending on your credit rating and income, of course.
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So if you don't have any problems with the concepts of GI, then as a gamer you will just have to put up with what you get served, it's as simple as that.
Secondly...Online gambling in Germany (as I have mentioned here before) is not a gray area but illegal
Read up on this...
Or what do you think why this has existed with chargebacks at all?
(Small Tip ... Reeckmann or Lenee write googeln-----> "illegal gambling")
Well anyway, you insist on rights and obligations on the part of the casinos, but do not adhere to any laws in this regard?
I would say: first sweep in front of their own door.
To your question whether I do not care how someone makes his money?
I have not yet written many posts here, but in one of my posts I wrote that I have lost 7 figures.
Money which flowed predominantly to the GI...if I leave my addiction outside ... "voluntarily"
So in my eyes really terrific entrepreneurs who have done everything right and still do - and you find that reprehensible that I value these as top entrepreneurs?
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question: what line of business are you in?
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up to a certain age "procurement crime" ...
Then lived by the motto "Every day a fool gets up" -and I get it
Nowadays I have a normal job and without gambling the money is always enough.
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I am not asking the casinos to fulfill their rights and obligations, but that Germany rewrite and ratify the failed gambling treaty. Then it would be legal for both sides and not a gray area and it is in theory as you say illegal, but in practice you are never prosecuted and therefore it comes close to a gray area. Chargebacks are a thing in themselves, if a lot of money can be charged back it might be worth the trouble. Otherwise it is not really worth it, PayPal closes the account and the house bank is no longer positively disposed towards one and gives worse credits, ... one would then have to change the bank or be a very lucrative customer for the bank to go through this well.
I myself do not play with real money at the moment, because the conditions bother me and I have become addicted. My losses are not 7 figures, although that is extreme - that is millions and I do not know if I can believe that. If you played 45 years then it's over 1800 € every month or 22,000 € every year and that's if you start from the lowest 7 figure sum. But well I would like to make the loss sum now also not the discussion topic.
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Prof. Tilman Becker, Gambling Research Centre, University of Hohenheim, put it in more detail ... "Because we simply have a state failure"
(https://www.daserste.de/information/wirtschaft-boerse/plusminus/sendung/sr/sendung-vom-05-09-2018-illegales-gluecksspiel100.html)
-otherwise I join you and it should be created in this regard times a little more clarity.
Above all in addition, because I am no friend of the Chargeback - particularly then not if it KNOWING is abused!
Quote Ankor: Chargebacks are a thing in itself, if a lot of money can be charged back it might be worth the effort. Otherwise it's not really worth it, PayPal closes the account and the house bank is no longer positive towards you and gives worse credit, ... you would then have to change banks or be a very lucrative customer for the bank to go through this well.
Well Ankor...let me say so, banks nowadays remains little hidden (you're pretty transparent), also these are anything but stupid and thus it is as an addict only a matter of time until your credit rating is completely in the ass - and probably with every bank!
Where you could get help regarding your addiction Gamble Joe has described in detail here in the forum...otherwise just google, there are also platforms that deal exclusively with "gambling addiction".
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if, for example, PayPal were to make an unjustified claim, they would get the next lawsuit and lose.
in the gambling law it is clearly defined, that also the financial service providers, who enable gambling by deposits,
are liable to prosecution
no one can make anything out of an objection / chargeback due to a criminal offense, especially giving you a bad
schufa. Sure, Paypal closes your account.
that your house bank, which has the full overview of your finances, doesn't give you a credit, has another reason
reason. precisely because they see through constant ab- and zubuchungen that you zockst. and a Rückbuchung can yes also
the bank can also be affected by a chargeback. no one has ever sued through to the end. so why should they take the Risk?
however, if you keep your account "clean" for 4 weeks, you can take out a credit online at any time
since they usually only want to have account statements for 4 weeks.
creditworthiness and income provided of course.
there is not only the house bank....
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schufa. Sure, PayPal will close your account."
Absolutely right, only advantage, not only here on this platform a s.g. Blacklist is led, also on-line Casinos lead such -and as far as I know (must unfortunately speculate) you can set these equal with a block. Anyway, I would put someone who dares to rebook on an ignore list.
And since many casinos are linked to each other (probably there are very intimate relationships between them ) I think that this will have far-reaching consequences?
Quote Stkrie
however, if you keep your account "clean" for 4 weeks, you can always borrow online
as they usually only want bank statements for 4 weeks.
creditworthiness and income provided of course
You can actually leave it like that, unless the loan is taken out to finance gambling,
then I am convinced that you already have other problems.
Small addition,
online credit, I have now in this regard not the right knowledge, but are not these in relation to (d) a house bank pig expensive?
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you can compare, depending on your credit rating and income, of course.
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Should I want to replace my V10 with one with even more power, I can consider that >angib> hahahaha
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