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The fraudulent machinations of (many) online casinos
10th Feb. 2018, at 04:06 pm CET#1
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Hello
I want to write down here the most common scams of the casino scene.
I just think it is enough. Online Casinos get so much money from the players and yet they still put up with it when then handled with very dubious procedures.
It must move there finally what such casinos no longer have a chance. Such casinos should no longer even be found on the Internet.
Normally, it would have to be so that every casino that you find online must meet certain standards and any other is immediately blocked and reported for fraud, wherever they hide abroad.
- Bonus conditions are nonsense. Especially because they are often very hidden in the terms and conditions to find and the casinos speculate that these most players do not read.
There is no notification of which conditions are required and the games and stakes are still freely selectable.
- false support messages.
Often happened that players inform the support what is now allowed and what is not and the support here often makes false statements, probably intentionally, because afterwards the casino nevertheless invokes that was violated against the terms and conditions and just a mistake by the support staff has taken place.
I think statements by support staff about rules and conditions must be binding for an online casino.
If a support employee makes false statements, a decision must be made afterwards in favor of the player without any ifs and buts.
-Depositing without verification.
This is a point that is actually hardly addressed and that affects ALL casinos.
You can Deposit and gamble as much as you want, no matter from which account, from grandma's account, from the neighbor, from whomever.
It doesn't matter as long as you gamble everything away.
If you then want to pay out, however, in such cases the payout is refused and the money deposited before is also gone.
Since it has also not interested anyone from whose account you have deposited.
I understand of course that you often want to play right away and not wait until the account has been verified.
Here there would have to be just a deposit limit of a few hundred euros until you have just verified.
Online casinos should also verify deposits.
If they see that the account name is not identical to the player name, check this immediately and point it out.
But not that you can deposit thousands and lose, only in the reverse case is suddenly checked what the stuff holds.
-Player protection.
This is not available at some sites and some sites try to circumvent it cleverly, even casinos that actually have a good name like InterCasino deceive here the players massively.
There must be a uniform regulation that makes it as easy as possible for the player to make a self-exclusion, which is then irrevocable for the specified time.
-Delaying payouts.
There should be a rule that payouts should never take longer than two days, maybe three days for large amounts.
Deposits are made within seconds. Withdrawals often take forever.
In addition, the function that you can retrieve a payout should be completely abolished.
Once you have paid out, you should no longer be able to attack it until it has just arrived on the account.
If you think of more, always purely with it.
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The fraudulent machinations of (many) online casinos
14th Feb. 2018, at 05:12 pm CET#2
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The problem is the various licenses. Basically, the Online Casinos are free to do as they please. The bonus conditions are sometimes so abstract that you often think "they can't be serious". What would be necessary is some kind of "over-license". Some authority or a licensor, which so to speak basic requirements for a casino. Independent of the respective casino license (mga etc.).
The thing with the payout period is so ne thing. I see that differently. Here, good casinos can distinguish themselves through rapid processing. Others just need longer. The player must know where he plays and what he takes in purchase. The main thing is that the money arrives at all
Player protection is again dependent on the license. Where I must say that there are some Curacao casinos that take the issue very seriously and partly react better than some mga casinos
I also had to fight with false support information. After my first experience, I started to make screenshots of the chat history and file them in folders. For important questions. You can't imagine how fast they give in when you say you have a screenshot of it. Often you don't even have to send it, the assertion is enough
I have been dealing with casino licenses for a while. The Curacao license is not as "soft" as they say. Making legal claims is almost impossible, right. But if you have a problem, tell the support that your next mail CC will be sent to the licensor. (You can find the address in google). Subsequently, everything usually goes quite quickly at the casinos. It's fascinating, but it works
To expand your list one more point:
- Deposit/withdrawal methods.
This point is almost scandalous for me. I do not know how many online casinos I have already visited and the T&C etc. have checked. There are mga casinos, which offer you partly 20 different Deposit-Methods. Great thing. 3-5 different bank deposit methods. Instant, etc
Then you log in, look at the withdrawal methods and there it says: Visa / Skrill :I find that wonderful. When you ask why almost 20 deposit methods are offered, but finally only 2 withdrawal methods, Skrill is made palatable to you. For me, this is the hammer and pure bullshit. If you don't check the withdrawal methods before you deposit, you'll look pretty stupid. Not everyone wants to give their credit card details to online casinos (at least I don't). And Skrill I do not have and do not want. Despite 5 different bank deposit options, I can't transfer the money back to my bank. This is almost scandalous for me and borders on fraud
The fraudulent machinations of (many) online casinos
14th Feb. 2018, at 09:14 pm CET#3
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Rollstevmroll wrote on 14/02/2018 at 17:12: The problem is the different licenses. Basically, there is fool's freedom with the online casinos. The bonus conditions are sometimes so abstract that you often think "they can't be serious". What would be necessary is some kind of "over-license". Some authority or a licensor, which, so to speak, makes basic requirements for a casino. Independent of the respective casino license (mga etc.).
The thing with the payout period is so ne thing. I see that differently. Here, good casinos can distinguish themselves through rapid processing. Others just need longer. The player must know where he plays and what he takes in purchase. The main thing is that the money arrives at all
Player protection is again dependent on the license. Where I must say that there are some Curacao casinos that take the issue very seriously and partly react better than some mga casinos
I also had to fight with false support information. After my first experience, I started to make screenshots of the chat history and file them in folders. For important questions. You can't imagine how fast they give in when you say you have a screenshot of it. Often you don't even have to send it, the assertion is enough
I have been dealing with casino licenses for a while. The Curacao license is not as "soft" as they say. Making legal claims is almost impossible, right. But if you have a problem, tell the support that your next mail CC will be sent to the licensor. (You can find the address in google). Subsequently, everything usually goes quite quickly at the casinos. It's fascinating, but it works
To expand your list one more point:
- Deposit/withdrawal methods.
This point is almost scandalous for me. I do not know how many Online Casinos I have already visited and the T&C etc. have checked. There are mga casinos, which offer you partly 20 different Deposit-Methods. Great thing. 3-5 different bank deposit methods. Instant, etc
Then you log in, look at the withdrawal methods and there it says: Visa / Skrill :I find that wonderful. When you ask why almost 20 deposit methods are offered, but finally only 2 withdrawal methods, Skrill is made palatable to you. For me, this is the hammer and pure bullshit. If you don't check the withdrawal methods before you deposit, you'll look pretty stupid. Not everyone wants to give their credit card data to online casinos (at least I don't). And Skrill I do not have and do not want. Despite 5 different bank deposit options, I can't transfer the money back to my bank. This is almost scandalous for me and borders on fraud.
At which casino you can not withdraw by bank transfer? I have never had.
Except once at Buzzslots, they insisted that I use the same withdrawal method as when I deposited. even though I deposited with Psc.ðŸ˜'
But that was the only case.
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The fraudulent machinations of (many) online casinos
14th Feb. 2018, at 10:32 pm CET#4
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incorrect support messages.
It has often happened that players inform the support what is now allowed and what is not and the support here often makes false statements, probably intentionally, because afterwards the casino nevertheless invokes that the terms and conditions were violated and just a mistake by the support staff has taken place.
I think statements by support staff about rules and conditions must be binding for an online casino.
If a support employee makes false statements, a decision must be made afterwards in favor of the player without any ifs and buts
I have also often had to fight with them. Even at very reputable casinos this happens again and again and I agree completely. If a support employee makes a statement, it must be binding!
-make deposits without verification.
This is a point that is actually rarely addressed and affects ALL casinos.
You can Deposit and gamble as much as you want, no matter from which account, from the account of grandma, from the neighbor, from whomever.
It doesn't matter as long as you gamble everything away.
If you then want to pay out, however, in such cases the payout is refused and the money deposited before is also gone.
Since it has also not interested anyone from whose account you have deposited.
I understand of course that you often want to play right away and not wait until the account has been verified.
Here there would have to be just a deposit limit of a few hundred euros until you have just verified.
Online casinos should also verify deposits.
If they see that the account name is not identical to the player name, check this immediately and point it out.
But not that you can deposit thousands and lose, only in the reverse case is suddenly checked what the stuff holds
I am one who always verifies myself before I play. But I know that I am almost unique in terms of this and I agree with you completely
It really shouldn't be allowed that you deposit from any account and nobody cares but when you pay out you look closely. Here there should be very sensitive fines in my opinion.
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The fraudulent machinations of (many) online casinos
14th Feb. 2018, at 10:36 pm CET#5
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Rollstevmroll wrote on 02/14/2018 at 17:12
I've had to deal with incorrect support information as well. After my first experience I started taking screenshots of the chat history and put them in folders. For important questions, that is. You can't imagine how fast they give in when you say you have a screenshot of it. Often you don't even have to send it, the assertion is enough
But I have had completely different experiences than you. If a support employee made a wrong statement in the past, it was always decided against me and I also had screenshots of it. They always said: We're sorry and the employee was wrong and that's it. They didn't care about the screenshot.
To extend your list one more point:
- Deposit/payment methods.
This point is almost scandalous for me. I do not know how many Online Casinos I have already visited and the T&C etc have checked. There are mga casinos, which offer you partly 20 different Deposit-Methods. Great thing. 3-5 different bank deposit methods. Instant, etc
Then you log in, look at the withdrawal methods and there it says: Visa / Skrill :I find that wonderful. When you ask why almost 20 deposit methods are offered, but finally only 2 withdrawal methods, Skrill is made palatable to you. For me, this is the hammer and pure bullshit. If you don't check the withdrawal methods before you deposit, you'll look pretty stupid. Not everyone wants to give their credit card data to online casinos (at least I don't). And Skrill I do not have and do not want. Despite 5 different bank deposit options, I can't transfer the money back to my bank. This is almost scandalous for me and borders on fraud.
However, I also found and still find this an impertinence. I thought I was the only one who noticed this.
I've been annoyed since the beginning that you can deposit as you want but the payouts are very limited
The fraudulent machinations of (many) online casinos
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I want to write down here the most common scams of the casino scene.
I just think it is enough. Online Casinos get so much money from the players and yet they still put up with it when then handled with very dubious procedures.
It must move there finally what such casinos no longer have a chance. Such casinos should no longer even be found on the Internet.
Normally, it would have to be so that every casino that you find online must meet certain standards and any other is immediately blocked and reported for fraud, wherever they hide abroad.
- Bonus conditions are nonsense. Especially because they are often very hidden in the terms and conditions to find and the casinos speculate that these most players do not read.
There is no notification of which conditions are required and the games and stakes are still freely selectable.
- false support messages.
Often happened that players inform the support what is now allowed and what is not and the support here often makes false statements, probably intentionally, because afterwards the casino nevertheless invokes that was violated against the terms and conditions and just a mistake by the support staff has taken place.
I think statements by support staff about rules and conditions must be binding for an online casino.
If a support employee makes false statements, a decision must be made afterwards in favor of the player without any ifs and buts.
-Depositing without verification.
This is a point that is actually hardly addressed and that affects ALL casinos.
You can Deposit and gamble as much as you want, no matter from which account, from grandma's account, from the neighbor, from whomever.
It doesn't matter as long as you gamble everything away.
If you then want to pay out, however, in such cases the payout is refused and the money deposited before is also gone.
Since it has also not interested anyone from whose account you have deposited.
I understand of course that you often want to play right away and not wait until the account has been verified.
Here there would have to be just a deposit limit of a few hundred euros until you have just verified.
Online casinos should also verify deposits.
If they see that the account name is not identical to the player name, check this immediately and point it out.
But not that you can deposit thousands and lose, only in the reverse case is suddenly checked what the stuff holds.
-Player protection.
This is not available at some sites and some sites try to circumvent it cleverly, even casinos that actually have a good name like InterCasino deceive here the players massively.
There must be a uniform regulation that makes it as easy as possible for the player to make a self-exclusion, which is then irrevocable for the specified time.
-Delaying payouts.
There should be a rule that payouts should never take longer than two days, maybe three days for large amounts.
Deposits are made within seconds. Withdrawals often take forever.
In addition, the function that you can retrieve a payout should be completely abolished.
Once you have paid out, you should no longer be able to attack it until it has just arrived on the account.
If you think of more, always purely with it.
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The fraudulent machinations of (many) online casinos
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The thing with the payout period is so ne thing. I see that differently. Here, good casinos can distinguish themselves through rapid processing. Others just need longer. The player must know where he plays and what he takes in purchase. The main thing is that the money arrives at all
Player protection is again dependent on the license. Where I must say that there are some Curacao casinos that take the issue very seriously and partly react better than some mga casinos
I also had to fight with false support information. After my first experience, I started to make screenshots of the chat history and file them in folders. For important questions. You can't imagine how fast they give in when you say you have a screenshot of it. Often you don't even have to send it, the assertion is enough
I have been dealing with casino licenses for a while. The Curacao license is not as "soft" as they say. Making legal claims is almost impossible, right. But if you have a problem, tell the support that your next mail CC will be sent to the licensor. (You can find the address in google). Subsequently, everything usually goes quite quickly at the casinos. It's fascinating, but it works
To expand your list one more point:
- Deposit/withdrawal methods.
This point is almost scandalous for me. I do not know how many online casinos I have already visited and the T&C etc. have checked. There are mga casinos, which offer you partly 20 different Deposit-Methods. Great thing. 3-5 different bank deposit methods. Instant, etc
Then you log in, look at the withdrawal methods and there it says: Visa / Skrill :I find that wonderful. When you ask why almost 20 deposit methods are offered, but finally only 2 withdrawal methods, Skrill is made palatable to you. For me, this is the hammer and pure bullshit. If you don't check the withdrawal methods before you deposit, you'll look pretty stupid. Not everyone wants to give their credit card details to online casinos (at least I don't). And Skrill I do not have and do not want. Despite 5 different bank deposit options, I can't transfer the money back to my bank. This is almost scandalous for me and borders on fraud
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At which casino you can not withdraw by bank transfer? I have never had.
Except once at Buzzslots, they insisted that I use the same withdrawal method as when I deposited. even though I deposited with Psc.ðŸ˜'
But that was the only case.
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I have also often had to fight with them. Even at very reputable casinos this happens again and again and I agree completely. If a support employee makes a statement, it must be binding!
I am one who always verifies myself before I play. But I know that I am almost unique in terms of this and I agree with you completely
It really shouldn't be allowed that you deposit from any account and nobody cares but when you pay out you look closely. Here there should be very sensitive fines in my opinion.
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The fraudulent machinations of (many) online casinos
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But I have had completely different experiences than you. If a support employee made a wrong statement in the past, it was always decided against me and I also had screenshots of it. They always said: We're sorry and the employee was wrong and that's it. They didn't care about the screenshot.
However, I also found and still find this an impertinence. I thought I was the only one who noticed this.
I've been annoyed since the beginning that you can deposit as you want but the payouts are very limited
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