The agony of choice

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Anonym

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15th Jan. 2019, at 03:44 pm CET#31

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hm sounds all a bit funny for meh.

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The agony of choice

15th Jan. 2019, at 04:02 pm CET#32

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Begbie wrote on 01/15/2019 at 15:26: nope unfortunately not correct. sorry for you
i can call the mathematics also game-design team, if you can do something with it. and design has nothing to do with pictures here.
but what am i talking about? keep poltering at the table. there you are better off with your way ^^

Ok, then sketch the process of playing the ATM

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T0uchTheSky

Forum posts: 2.420 Member since: 09.05.2018

The agony of choice

15th Jan. 2019, at 04:39 pm CET#33

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So you 2 no longer argue does, I have tested for you Book of Dead. I tested it with Google Chrome on sunnyplayer with Playmoney, during the game I have the "developer tools" running on the right and that collects the data in real time

My test result: If the bonus is there, the total profit is already fixed before and the images are only played one after the other. But as they say, pictures say 1000 times more than words, so here 2 pictures, 1 before the bonus and 1 after the bonus:

Before the bonus

T0uchTheSky

After the bonus

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Boro777

Forum posts: 52 Member since: 08.06.2018

The agony of choice

15th Jan. 2019, at 04:46 pm CET#34

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Right, you can always preview at Bod! Only in overtime the result is only at the last free round drinne, so you can also see if you get an extension

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Begbie

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The agony of choice

15th Jan. 2019, at 05:09 pm CET#35

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so try the whole thing with an adp slot.
then you will see the difference...

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The agony of choice

15th Jan. 2019, at 05:10 pm CET#36

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Guys, we didn't argue after all. I claimed that the result is already available before the "draw", i.e. the "spinning of the reels", and that was called nonsense. That it is correct, I knew before, was now confirmed again. Let's see what the professional says, the one with the math book in the next room.

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Gratler

Forum posts: 198 Member since: 02.06.2018

The agony of choice

15th Jan. 2019, at 07:21 pm CET#37

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Zockertyp89 wrote on 01/15/2019 at 15:43
I always thought until now that randomness was not programmable. How does a TRNG work, then?

A TRNG works via, for example, natural atmospheric noise or noise in electronic components like Z-diodes. This is used for complex simulations like weather or stock markets but certainly not for online casinos...
so the claim Begbie makes here that slots run on TRNGs is definitely wrong. Slots run with PRNGs, to be more precise with a linear congruence generator

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RiverSong

Forum posts: 4.210 Member since: 31.10.2017

The agony of choice

15th Jan. 2019, at 08:33 pm CET#38

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Zockertyp89 wrote on 01/14/2019 at 14:34: One of the admins here had once shown how you can see how much they will pay at the beginning of the free spins in the browser.

Believe that was even with Book of Dead.

OpaOma wrote on 01/15/2019 at 13:11: how can you see that before?

here you go --> daniels 2nd post on the site

https://www.gamblejoe.com/forum/online-casinos/allgemeines/wird-man-als-neuer-spieler-bevorzugt-34582/3/#p34663

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SevenEleven

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Forum posts: 392 Member since: 25.10.2018

The agony of choice

16th Jan. 2019, at 09:28 am CET#39

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Book of Dead - detached - does not matter here. You get a symbol for the free spins and that's it

This is about games with choices for the free spins (e.g. like Rise of Olympus or Immortal Romance). I've heard that such games are divided into two parts - the base game and the selected free spins feature. And even if the result for both sections is fixed beforehand (no real reels are spinning, of course) - the "fact" is that feature A has a different win amount set as the result than feature B, and depending on what I choose, I may or may not win. Sounds logical to me.

What do the "outcome is predetermined" claimants think about this? Do you think it doesn't matter if I choose Hades or Zeus in Rise of Olympus - I will win exactly €23.47 each (because it is predetermined)?

btw: The Gamblejoe-Crew in all honor, but I will also not believe these guys (as incidentally no one from my environment) EVERYTHING, just because they write *this* here so and so

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Begbie

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The agony of choice

16th Jan. 2019, at 11:08 am CET#40

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Gratler wrote on 01/15/2019 at 19:21
A TRNG works over, for example, natural atmospheric noise or noise in electronic components like Z-diodes. Such a thing is used for complex simulations like the weather or stock markets but certainly not for online casinos...
so the claim Begbie makes here that slots run on TRNGs is definitely wrong. Slots run with PRNGs, to be more precise with a linear congruence generator

i did some more research and a mixture of both is used.
actually a PRNG, but an additional influencing factor "physical randomness" is used, which leads to a further scrambling.
so my statement was not definitely wrong
nevertheless, it was about predicting the wins, which is definitely not as possible with adp slots as it is with the playngo slot
that this is so predictable really doesn't speak for playngo and their quality.

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