Privacy settings

We use a number of cookies on our website. Some are essential, while others help us improve our portal for you.

Privacy settings

Here is an overview of all the cookies we use. You can choose to accept whole categories or view more information and select only certain cookies.

Essential (6)

Essential cookies enable basic functions and are necessary for the website to function properly.

Statistics (3)

Statistics cookies collect information anonymously. This information helps us to understand how our visitors use our website.
If the statistics cookies are subsequently deselected, they will remain on the computer until the expiry date. However, they are neither updated nor evaluated.

Online Casinos in general: Streamers - I'm starting to hate the species... why?

Topic created on 06th Dec. 2017 | Page: 1 of 3 | Answers: 20 | Views: 9,611
Anonym

Streamers - I'm starting to hate the species... why?

6th Dec. 2017, at 05:33 pm CET#1
0 Likes

Nobody has liked this post so far
Well, why? - Something is really wrong - they always have the best bonus rounds. Ok you can play a lot ... BUT ... when they trigger me your shitty fake stream money the good Bonuses are definitely gone for real players. I can not explain it to me - but so slowly it seems to me really so. Look closely - almost every crap Streamer with FakeMoney or miserably cheap bonuses that are multiplied XXX times have all the good bonus rounds. I can really say that I had the said BTG Games enough FS and to 99.8% only shit came around.

It's time to look behind the stage ...

This post has been translated automatically

Anonym

Streamers - I'm starting to hate the species... why?

6th Dec. 2017, at 05:47 pm CET#2
1 Like

Liked this post: Avatar von Daniel Daniel
Even if. What do you want to do about it? You can only watch and be angry or ignore them. I recommend you second!

This post has been translated automatically

Anonym

Streamers - I'm starting to hate the species... why?

6th Dec. 2017, at 05:58 pm CET#3
2 Likes

Liked this post: Avatar von Daniel Daniel, Avatar von Matthias Matthias
Well, I'm starting to think of something else: I think you should ban casinos from supporting fakes. Either the people play with your own money and stream or net. I would just be interested if really the Bonuses triggered by such streams are really missing "us real" gamblers. Ultimately, you reach into a general Pot or a general cash register and help yourself. If everyone pays in real money, that is also correct - but if a FS round is triggered with FakeMoney - that means on the other hand that a real player does not get it at that moment. So this artificially shifts the payout ratio for us negatively!

I have said in my insider knowledge series that winnings are already fixed before you even press the start button. I compare it times with off-line: You go every day in the Spielo to gamble, then comes one of the Spielo is employed, throws a 10 in - opens the device ... takes the ten out - and pushes it back in. He repeats the whole thing 50 times until he has 500 euros on the clock. The deposits he marks on the receipt (device readout) as "advertising purpose" - he does not have to pay tax and even gets back X% in tax, and thus also still his profit because they are expenses. So - he has actually already made profit with it - now he starts to play and fetches on 2 euros full screen heads ... or halt ne row heads on 2 euros. The money is paid out. Goes from the machine.

You sit next to it: What do you think?

Sure - if you had been sitting there, you would have had it. If another player had been sitting there, he would have had it, too.
Both would have invested real money and were at the right time, on the right device in the right game.

But the one who works there has ZERO Risk - NEARLY NO BET ... but at least the same chance as you. No he has even much higher because he has a mega-cash-role.... THAT'S HOW IT LOOKS!

So the whole times converted to the online world is nothing else... and that brings me slowly to the white heat.

This post has been translated automatically

Matthias
Expert

Streamers - I'm starting to hate the species... why?

6th Dec. 2017, at 06:46 pm CET#4
2 Likes

Liked this post: Anonym, Avatar von Daniel Daniel
Interesting topic what you have opened here Aka!
I was zapping through YouTube earlier and came across the known streamers like "CasinoDaddy" and "Roshtein".

The entertainment value of Roshtein is basically okay, he gambles, he dances, he thinks of something to keep the viewers happy...
BUT... I really watched him gambling for the first time a few days ago, he had START with 8000€ and gambled away these 8000€ to collect
to collect various free spins (usually over 5€ bet per spin). After all his funds were used up, he then triggered all the free spins and was able to enjoy a little more than 8500€, which were, however, still subject to high turnover requirements. After an estimated 8 hours, the stream was over... I thought to myself: Awesome, he must really have a lot of time and boredom...

Next day, same scenario: He started not with 8000€, but this time with 11000€ to set up a "World Record Bonus Hunt"...
The stream lasted a total of xx hours and I thought to myself: "Where is this going? next time he will start with 20.000€ or what?"

Today I look in the Twitch Channel of him and read only "START 30.000€ CASH" - please what? Seriously, I really gamble a lot, but what is this? Where should this end? He now wants to collect as many free spins as he can on a €5 bet until the €30,000 is lost.
With an average of 3 seconds per spin, he needs over 20 hours in the continuous stream just to burn the money and collect it again later via the free spins.

Furthermore he plays with 500% Affiliate bonus... I.e. 500€ Deposit + 500% = 3000€ bonus credit, 5000€ deposit + 500% = 30.000€ bonus credit

---

Apparently this has hit casino daddy right in the heart. Just recently the guys moved into a new office from where they want to expand their business.
Just one day later - which is EXACTLY NOW - Casinodaddy is streaming on Twitch.

three guesses what the name of the current stream is!

"29000€ RAW CASH WORLD RECORD Bonus hunt!?"

What is this? Who is supposed to believe this?

My feeling just tells me that this can't go on forever - the twitchers are courting viewers like there's no tomorrow and at the same time they're getting further and further away from reality - towards Bonus money-promoted casino slaves who can't do anything but chase one "record" after another around the clock.

I don't think any of these guys can break the record of "being free of gambling for 24 hours" anymore.

---

What Aka wrote, I can only support. It should be forbidden that these twitchers can gamble with unrealistic Bonuses and play money. Real money - that's how Daniel started with GambleJoe and I think all videos based on bonus money just distort reality.

This post has been translated automatically

Anonym

Streamers - I'm starting to hate the species... why?

6th Dec. 2017, at 07:50 pm CET#5
0 Likes

Nobody has liked this post so far
Thank you that you see it similarly

This post has been translated automatically

Anonym

Streamers - I'm starting to hate the species... why?

6th Dec. 2017, at 07:53 pm CET#6
1 Like

Liked this post: Avatar von Julian Julian
The only streamers on Youtube that still seem moderately "authentic" to me are Jörg and Hauke from Casinotest24, who also play partly with very "great" Bonuses, but I think that you are not quite as high.

This post has been translated automatically

Anonym

Streamers - I'm starting to hate the species... why?

6th Dec. 2017, at 08:12 pm CET#7
1 Like

Liked this post: Avatar von Daniel Daniel
EDIT: Also here my reference which was uncorrected removed!

But give you to - are just more sympathetic and net as aloof as Casino Daddy Pinkler. I'm especially annoyed by the just 19/20 year olds who are streaming there with 1000nden ... that's not possible. Find one should reintroduce the 21 years old for casino!

This post has been translated automatically

Daniel
Elite

Streamers - I'm starting to hate the species... why?

6th Dec. 2017, at 08:53 pm CET#8
1 Like

Liked this post: Avatar von Daniel Daniel
@Aka There is a lot going on in the scene now. I know from someone that RisikoCasino got videos from OVO Casino (replay mode from another player, just without the replay lettering). So he made 25.000€ out of 5€ at Book of Ra. In any case, there is a lot of trickery. I was wondering about the small spin number (top left) at the time. So the win must have been a few years ago.

However, the statement that the streamers take away other players' winnings with fake or unrealistic Bonus money is wrong. If millionaire XY bets 10x 100,000€ on black and 10x came the black, then the next player can still win exactly the same at that Roulette table. The odds have not changed

The other way around exactly the same. If millionaire XY lost 1 million, then because of that other players will not win. Roulette also has a payout ratio of 97.2%. But if millionaire XY gambles away 1 million euros and never comes back, this does not mean that the roulette table has to pay out 972,000€ to small players at some point. Slot machines (in Online Casinos and casinos) do not work any differently in principle.

The only thing that streamers could take away from other players are progressive jackpots. However, you are not allowed to play these with Bonuses in most casinos and you are not allowed to play them with fake money either.

@Matthias and anyone who thinks this should be banned: Anyone who dislikes this should file a complaint with the major regulators: Gibraltar, United Kingdom, Aldery, Isle of Man and Malta and complain about the unethical marketing methods of online casinos, then maybe something will eventually change. Otherwise, it will continue as before. One can also contact Curacao. Schaden tuts not but it will probably not even read there

You could argue with the following points:

1. Unethical and gambling addictive marketing.
2. Streamers present a distorted picture of reality. It is suggested that it is normal to gamble for hours every day and Deposit extremely high amounts. In the case of Casinotester, it is apparently normal as a student to wager your entire alleged fortune in one day, etc.
3. Some UK regulatory guidelines are not met. For example, most streamers do not clearly or permanently point out the bonus conditions when promoting bonuses. Also, an 18+ logo and a notice about the addictive nature of gambling are usually not provided. Unfortunately, these rules only apply to affiliates that target UK players. However, since most streamers stream in English, there should be a violation for most streamers. Perhaps your complaints will put a damper on some online casinos by imposing hefty fines and penalties.
4. Maybe you can think of more. But in my opinion, these are the most important arguments.

Chances that something changes through many complaints are definitely there, see for example here: https://www.gamblejoe.com/news/kritik-an-casino-bonusangeboten-in-grossbritannien/ Even though the UK Gambling Commission is the strictest regulatory authority in the world, it certainly didn't come up with this issue on its own, but through many complaints.

This post has been translated automatically

Anonym

Streamers - I'm starting to hate the species... why?

6th Dec. 2017, at 09:15 pm CET#9
1 Like

Liked this post: Avatar von Daniel Daniel
Daniel: your comparison with Roulette is misleading because it is a manual game where absolutely only speed, gravity, the varnish of the post and the selection of the field decide about luck! With a slot it is software with pre-programmed result! Fact is - if the fake gambler gets it it's gone and I don't have that chance afterwards m? It is a 1 out of 10000000010110000001 deleted - it is that simple. In roulette you always have only 11111111 in each game and only you decide what you bet on - no machine determines for you - nothing was taken away.

This post has been translated automatically

Daniel
Elite

Streamers - I'm starting to hate the species... why?

6th Dec. 2017, at 09:23 pm CET#10
2 Likes

Liked this post: Anonym, Avatar von Daniel Daniel
Aka wrote on 06.12.2017 at 21:15: Daniel: your comparison with Roulette lags because it is a manual game where absolutely only speed, gravity, the varnish of the post and the selection of the field decide on luck! With a slot it is software with pre-programmed result! Fact is - if the fake gambler gets it it's gone and I don't have that chance afterwards m? It is a 1 out of 10000000010110000001 deleted - it is that simple. In roulette you always have only 11111111 in each game and only you decide what you bet on - no machine determines for you - nothing was taken away.

I see it differently, because from the manufacturer's point of view it is risky to program Slot machines this way. This was the case with the old machines before 2007. But then there were always landlords and gambling operators who took advantage of this. Somehow we have a difference of opinion, but at this point it is not so important and off-topic.

As I said, here on GambleJoe unfortunately no laws are passed - yet!

Who the streamers bother, he must file a complaint with the regulatory authorities, otherwise nothing will change.

This post has been translated automatically

Hot Topics22nd Nov. 2024 at 02:06 pm CET

Offline Casinos
0
Casino Games
0
Offline Casinos
0

GambleJoe Team

Profile picture of JulianJulian online
Community-Manager / Complaint SpecialistProfile picture of CounterCounter
Software developerProfile picture of MatthiasMatthias
Project manager
Profile picture of DanielDaniel
Founder

Community Forum-Moderators

Members who assist the GJ team in moderating the forum.
Profile picture of AndreAndre
Profile picture of gamble1gamble1 online
Profile picture of Langhans_innenLanghans_innen
Profile picture of SaphiraSaphira
GambleJoe is aimed exclusively at user whose allowed to play legally with his current location in online casinos and does not violate the current law.
It is the responsibility of the user to inform himself about the current legal situation. Gambling is prohibited for children and adolescents under the age of 18.
GambleJoe is a registered trademark with the EUIPO of GJ International Ltd.
© 2012-2024 GambleJoe.com
✕

Forgotten your password?

Create a new password here

  • 1. Fill in the 3 fields carefully and click on the green button
  • 2. Check your email inbox for a message from GambleJoe
  • 3. Click on the confirmation link in the email and your new password will be active immediately