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Online Casinos in general: Streamer wins (Page 4)

Topic created on 17th Nov. 2018 | Page: 4 of 4 | Answers: 37 | Views: 9,762
Anonym

Streamer wins

19th Nov. 2018, at 04:14 pm CET#31
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Tropper wrote on 11/19/2018 at 1:03 pm

absolutely, yes. Any gas water plumber or fitter or whatever will show you quite listed the individual invoice items. 1 hr 38€ gross, tap xy 130€ installation 40€ time 120 minutes 38*2€ gross cost etc.

He may not say the conditions or how much he saves, but he tells you how much it costs (cost estimate), whether you accept is another question.

You have misunderstood. What you have stated is ok and also correct and must be so. But what I mean is, the installer has a contract with Junkers and gets so and so much discount (this varies depending on the purchase quantity per year, for example), which can sometimes be very high (I'm from the industry in a very large area and know what I'm talking about, therefore this example....) and he will never tell you what he really pays and how much he makes a win with it (Just so much, trading is always worth it, he earns even if he slackens some ). The casino also sells you a spin, comparable to the spa, you get an offer in advance and know what a spin costs you and what you can win with it, that was your part. My part was the one with the discount and what the casino really pays the manufacturer and that is of course not revealed as with the installer.

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Latino
Experienced

Streamer wins

19th Nov. 2018, at 07:29 pm CET#32
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@capriz

I just wanted to make clear with my reference to 20k wins I already achieved that I as a normal casino player without Deposit Bonuses of 500% could also achieve such wins and that a total of 3 times this year, because "zocker" claimed that such wins are totally unrealistic and accused the casinos of manipulation.

Of course, the wins are not unrealistic, have also won myself several times beyond the 700x (best ~4800x). But as I read the previous posts, wins in this amount are not doubted, but the frequency with which said streamers hit these in doubt - rightly. Therefore, I prefer to look at the deposit / cashout ratio, because if this is positive as with zocker123 then I first become suspicious. However, an RTP of 107% in the relatively small period is quite credible.

I only wanted to make clear with my reference to 20k wins, which I already achieved, that I as a normal casino player without deposit bonuses of 500% could also achieve such wins

As I said, how many bullets ? How much of the wins finally came to the cashout ? Of course you don't have to answer this question, because the crux of the matter is quite simple : Said streamers have a partly extreme positive balance which is not impossible but so improbable (6s with ZZ is not impossible either) that one can safely assume deception here. I hope you can understand my train of thought...

I only wanted to make clear with my speculation about the possible re-registration how much a casino profits from it

Yes, but with your speculation you are quite off the mark.ich erklärs times something more detailed:

The uservalue is more like 10-20€ - based on a StarGames Affiliate account that was active for 5 years. The 100€ mentioned by you might fit in the first month, but also this value has to be thought in the long term - seen over the year so many jump off that just 10-20€ remain on average for the affiliate if he uses the Revshare variant.

In addition, from the viewer to the "Depositplayer" substantially more customers are lost than you assume. Ultimately, about 1 - 2% remain who actually stay for a longer period of time and these are by no means all high-rollers.

Besides, your calculation is based on MontanaBlack with 30K viewers - what about the others? Roshtein has a lot of viewbots at the start I would - when I see the chat activity on other streams with 5K viewers I can hardly read along, CT24-Calvin & Shirox have when it runs well even 1000 viewers.

Now calculate again with these numbers.... but I would still like to note that even my numbers are not the wisdom of the last conclusion. Should you find errors in my considerations then only here with it. Also I can miscalculate or misunderstand something.

You must also remember that the casino operators only offer the slots on their site. If someone wins at NETENT, it's not the casino operator that pays, it's the slot manufacturer. So if the casino site supports his player with 500% he does not have to pay the actual amount won, but the difference so 5000€. So neither the casino site takes a high Risk, nor the player. Both sides profit!

True, the casino only acts as a gaming agent, but you pay to the casino and also get the money from there. It can/will be different with jackpots and the whole thing is more comparable to a lottery retailer where up to a certain amount you also get the money paid out at the retailer and only with big wins the money is transferred to you by the gaming operator. (At this point I assume that this is still the case, but I have not played the lottery for 15 years, please correct me if not).



This means nothing other than that the bonus is actually granted to you by the casino (gaming agent) and not by the gaming operator (slot provider).

The whole thing can be broken down to the following: How many bullets are needed to break even ? If with every 10th 1000€ bullet a cashout of 10K comes around then you are break even. But a normal gambler needs on average 11 bullets (RTP strikes back!)

And now it gets hairy: Benn said streamers often come with less than 10 bullets to cashout - this is ultimately the reason for speculation about casino / fakemoney or a trimmed RTP. There is no need for discussions in which the parties demand "proof" for their claims when with simple mathematics the truth can be estimated quite well

Btw. Rosh-Boi stands this month with 404700€ Cashouts with which still the Deposits must be deducted. Even if we assume 5*2000€ bullets per day this month (which is by no means the case) that would be 190000€ - over 214000 win. I haven't really followed it, but the deposits I estimate at best 50000€ which would be 344000€ win and the month is not over yet. I ask you...

@Ankor,Tropper,Lucifer88,Unibeliver

Here you go (NetEnt example) :
We are a B2B company that develops and distributes premium software (games and gaming solutions) for online casino operators worldwide. Revenues are generated under a licensing model based on revenue sharing with customers. Customers, the gaming operators, pay NetEnt a monthly license fee based on a percentage of the gross gaming revenue generated at the customers' online casinos. NetEnt takes care of all technical tasks such as monitoring gaming transactions for its customers, known as hosting, so that the operators can focus on their core business. NetEnt is also actively involved in integration work for new customers.


About the amount of the percentage you will not find any verifiable source.

Source: https://www.netent.com/en/business-idea-business-model/

Other slot providers are likely to have a similar compensation structure and certainly revenue from other sources such as BTG with the licensable Megaways

However, I wonder why you discuss about it, but brings you nothing whether the Provider now 80%, 50, or only 1% gets.


Edit : Typo

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Anonym

Streamer wins

19th Nov. 2018, at 08:41 pm CET#33
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Have now not read through all four pages here, but the topic was discussed in felt 114 threads here in the forum already up and down 😏

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derzweifel
Experienced

Streamer wins

19th Nov. 2018, at 08:54 pm CET#34
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Latino wrote on 11/19/2018 at 7:29 pm: @capriz

Of course the wins are not unrealistic, have won beyond 700x myself several times (best ~4800x). But as I read the previous posts, wins in this amount are not doubted, but the frequency with which said streamers hit these in doubt - rightly. Therefore, I prefer to look at the Deposit / cashout ratio, because if this is positive as with zocker123 then I first become suspicious. However, an RTP of 107% in the relatively small period is quite credible.

That's how it looks, I've also had great wins ("only" 2800x at the peak ) and also regularly come to cashout, think my RTP overall should actually be somewhere around 90% - it's me but - as Latino correctly writes - about the frequency, about the fact that I really often wonder how it can run so often so good with the streamers.

That there is mainly played with 500% Bonuses is not true - to name a few examples:

- Roshtein plays idR with 300% bonus (2k deposit, 8k balance)
- CasinoDaddy plays (often) with 200% bonus
- Jörg-Calvin has recently got the 400% Highroller Bonus at Lapa, but was previously playing with 100%
- Shirox and many other medium streamers I see almost exclusively playing with 100% bonuses

Off the top of my head I can't think of a single Streamer who plays with 500% bonus all the time, maybe I'm overlooking someone but I don't think you can say that's the rule.

One point that is somewhat neglected in the discussion is the relevance of wins/cashouts for the whole Affiliate model - if streamers do not win but simply lose hard over a longer period of time, this would presumably have a deterrent effect and it should be in the interest of the providers to avoid this as far as possible

A conspiracy theory on my part is that the whole thing works via the "streamer bonus"

- Since there are actually slots in every casino that you can only play with real money or in the case of a bonus credit not at all there is inevitably a communication on the part of the casino in the direction of the slot Provider, in which details about the credit are transmitted (eg "100€ real money + 100€ bonus" and the slot then lets you play only with the 100€ real money) - why should there not also be the communication "500€ real money and 500€ streamer bonus", to which slot provider side can react? Way mag can like to get his Aluthut from the closet and speculate

By the way, I wouldn't even claim that the streamers necessarily have to know about it - why should they? As a casino industry, I just need a few prominent sheep who are convinced that they have the luck leased, you can earn money with slots and carry this message out into the world. Everything else will take care of itself and where this can lead in sad extreme cases, you can read often enough here in the forum

LG

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Latino
Experienced

Streamer wins

19th Nov. 2018, at 09:06 pm CET#35
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It's not true that they mainly play with 500% Bonuses - just to name a few examples:

- Roshtein usually plays with 300% bonus (2k Deposit, 8k balance)
- CasinoDaddy plays (often) with 200% bonus
- Jörg-Calvin has recently got the 400% Highroller Bonus at Lapa, but was previously playing with 100%
- Shirox and many other medium streamers I see almost exclusively playing with 100% bonuses

You're right of course, if I remember correctly Rostein still had 500% 1000+500% - 6000€ start a few weeks ago and so did MontanaBlack

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derzweifel
Experienced

Streamer wins

19th Nov. 2018, at 09:16 pm CET#36
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P.S.: If the type of credit can be adjusted, this would also explain the phenomenon of increased wins on the first Deposit - it is then "100€ real money + 100€ welcome bonus".

I have lost the Welcome bonus many times (I am registered in quite a few casinos), but in retrospect I must say that in percentage terms I have cashed out more often from first deposits than from subsequent deposits

LG

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Anonym

Streamer wins

19th Nov. 2018, at 10:44 pm CET#37
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Latino wrote on 11/19/2018 at 7:29 pm: @capriz


True, the casino only acts as a gaming agent, but you pay to the casino and also get the money from there. It can/will be different with jackpots and the whole thing is more comparable to a lottery retailer where you also get paid up to a certain amount of money at the retailer and only with big wins the money is transferred to you by the gaming operator. (At this point I assume that this is still the case, but I have not played the lottery for 15 years, please correct me if not).



This means nothing other than that the bonus is actually granted to you by the casino (gaming agent) and not by the gaming operator (slot provider).

The whole thing can be broken down to the following: How many bullets are needed to break even ? If with every 10th 1000€ bullet a cashout of 10K comes around then you are break even. But a normal gambler needs on average 11 bullets (RTP strikes back!)

And now it gets hairy: Benn said streamers often come with less than 10 bullets to cashout - this is ultimately the reason for speculation about casino / fakemoney or a trimmed RTP. There is no need for discussions in which the parties demand "proof" for their claims when with simple mathematics the truth can be estimated quite well

Btw. Rosh-Boi stands this month with 404700€ Cashouts with which still the Deposits must be deducted. Even if we assume 5*2000€ bullets per day this month (which is by no means the case) that would be 190000€ - over 214000 win. I haven't really followed it, but the deposits I estimate at best 50000€ which would be 344000€ win and the month is not over yet. I ask you...

@Ankor,Tropper,Lucifer88,Unibeliver

Here you go (NetEnt example) :
We are a B2B company that develops and distributes premium software (games and gaming solutions) for online casino operators worldwide. Revenues are generated under a licensing model based on revenue sharing with customers. Customers, the gaming operators, pay NetEnt a monthly license fee based on a percentage of the gross gaming revenue generated at the customers' online casinos. NetEnt takes care of all technical tasks such as monitoring gaming transactions for its customers, known as hosting, so that the operators can focus on their core business. NetEnt is also actively involved in integration work for new customers.


About the amount of the percentage you will not find any verifiable source.

Source: https://www.netent.com/en/business-idea-business-model/

Other slot providers are likely to have a similar compensation structure and certainly revenue from other sources such as BTG with the licensable Megaways

However, I wonder why you discuss about it, but brings you nothing whether the Provider now 80%, 50, or only 1% gets.


Edit : Typo

Thank you for the answer. Discussion was only whether the money comes in case of profit from the casino or from the slot provider. Now it is clear that it comes from the casino.

Could not have thought otherwise.

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RiverSong
Legend

Streamer wins

28th Nov. 2018, at 09:11 pm CET#38
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you should already have eggs


RiverSong


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