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18th Nov. 2018, at 03:46 pm CET#21
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well do not know how that is calculated because of the RTP
but am in plus with a 3-digit range...
make now until mid december ne break...
had lately often luck and I do not want to immediately challenge again xD
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18th Nov. 2018, at 11:13 pm CET#22
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Not right, because the 500% bonus streamers also use only 1000€. But I understand what you are getting at...
That's exactly what I mean
The Risk of streamers is much lower due to the high DepositBonuses and the chance to make bigger wins is also higher than for normal players. You have understood me correctly.
With how many bullets? Your standard bullet is 1000€ as you wrote.
I wanted to make clear with my reference to 20k wins that I already achieved only that I as a normal casino player without deposit bonuses of 500% could also achieve such wins and that a total of 3 times this year, because "gambler" has claimed that such profits are totally unrealistic and accused the casinos of manipulation.
Unfortunately, speculation is not a good starting point for an argument. How many of the 30K spectators are regular fans and how many are actually new fans? Because after the regulars are "grazed" only the growth rate counts as a basis for your calculation - and especially MontanaBlack whose audience is assumed to have a significant proportion of minors is even less suitable for such a calculation.
But in principle I give you right, it is promotion and the casino would only operate if it is worthwhile in the long term.
We do not know the figures of Lapalingo. If the whole thing would not be worthwhile for the streamers and the casino operators, neither the streamers would sit down and gamble for hours nor the casino operators so "advertising".
I wanted to make clear with my speculation about the possible new registrations only how much a casino profits from it, if only 1000 new players register and deposit 100€ in the month. That is 100k revenue in one month. And I think that the 100€ in deposit is not unrealistic and works well as an average value. So if Monte, Rosh or anyone else can cash out 50k in a month, the casino will still have made a win
You also have to keep in mind that the casino operators only offer the slots on their site. If someone wins at NETENT, it's not the casino operator that pays, it's the slot manufacturer. So if the casino site supports its player with 500% he does not have to pay the actual amount won, but the difference so 5000€. So neither the casino site takes a high risk, nor the player. Both sides profit!
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19th Nov. 2018, at 01:12 am CET#23
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capriz wrote on 11/18/2018 at 11:13 pm
We don't know Lapalingo's numbers. If it wasn't worth it for the streamers and the casino operators, neither the streamers would sit down and gamble for hours nor the casino operators would "advertise" like this.
I wanted to make clear with my speculation about the possible new registrations only how much a casino profits from it, if only 1000 new players register and Deposit 100€ in the month. That is 100k revenue in one month. And I think that the 100€ in deposit is not unrealistic and works well as an average value. So if Monte, Rosh or anyone else can cash out 50k in a month, the casino will still have made a win
You also have to keep in mind that the casino operators only offer the slots on their site. If someone wins at NETENT, it's not the casino operator that pays, it's the slot manufacturer. So if the casino site supports his player with 500% he does not have to pay the actual amount won, but the difference so 5000€. So neither the casino site takes a high Risk, nor the player. Both sides profit!
Unfortunately I can't believe that, the casino operators get the players money and the slot providers pay in case of winning? No, this is different in every case except jackpots. Because if the slot Provider would have to pay, new casinos would allow higher payouts per month and would not even care who wins - they never have to pay anyway, but always only the slot provider.
The providers get their monthly fee for providing the games and done, the casino where you win has to pay the win and can go bankrupt.
Ankor wrote on 19/11/2018 at 01:12 PM
Unfortunately I can't believe that, casino operators receive players money and slot providers pay in case of winning? No, it is different in every case except jackpots. Because if the slot Provider would have to pay new casinos would allow higher payouts per month and would not even care who wins - they never have to pay anyway, but always only the slot provider.
The providers get their monthly fee for providing the games and done, the casino where you win has to pay the win and can go bankrupt.
I have heard and read that so often.
I would like a source?
Would the slot BOD then be more expensive than Bonanza for example?
What would be the price list, is it paid monthly or yearly?
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19th Nov. 2018, at 07:18 am CET#25
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Tropper wrote on 11/19/2018 at 06:59 AM
I have heard and read this so many times.
I would like to have a source?
Would the slot BOD then be more expensive than Bonanza for example?
What would be the price list, is it paid monthly or yearly?
I'll do some more research, don't want to write anything wrong. It will take me a while, but in the meantime you can post sources that I will gladly read. To answer your question, probably different - that will make out and discuss with the casinos.
Counter question: what if you get €10 from BOD and put it back into Bonanza, does BTG get the €10 from Playn Go through the casino as an intermediary?
Ankor wrote on 11/19/2018 at 07:18 AM
I'll do some more research on this, don't want to write anything wrong. But it will take me a while, but in that time you are welcome to post sources I'll be happy to read through. To answer your question, probably different - that will make out and discuss with the casinos.
Counter question: what if you get €10 from BOD and put it back into Bonanza, does BTG get the €10 from Playn Go through the casino as an intermediary?
This is the intransparency in Online Casinos, no one knows how what is where and how that is financed.
You are very welcome to show your research.
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19th Nov. 2018, at 11:45 am CET#27
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Without being able to name sources, I am pretty sure that the casino pays the slot operator per spin. In the event of a win, the casino pays this out as well
So the slot developers are always the big winners and in principle can't make a loss, since it doesn't matter if you win or lose on a spin. They merely provide the playground
If the game Provider paid out the wins, then every casino would probably also allow the highest bet for a slot. However, this differs from casino to casino, as they can set the stakes themselves, precisely because they are the ones who pay out the wins
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19th Nov. 2018, at 12:30 pm CET#28
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Lucifer88 wrote on 11/19/2018 at 11:45: Without being able to name sources, I am pretty sure that the casino pays the slot operator per spin. In the event of a win, the casino pays them out as well
So the slot developers are always the big winners and in principle can't make a loss, since it doesn't matter if you win or lose on a spin. They merely provide the playground
If the game Provider paid out the wins, then every casino would probably also allow the highest bet for a slot. However, this differs from casino to casino, as they can set the stakes themselves, precisely because they are the ones who pay out the wins
LG
Sounds logical, still doesn't change the fact that the streamers' wins are not fraud as stated here
I just wanted to point out that it is definitely worth it for the casino operators, even if they have to pay out large sums to their Streamer
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19th Nov. 2018, at 12:43 pm CET#29
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The manufacturer gets a license fee per spin in the form of a low percentage share, the exception are the manufacturer jackpots which of course are paid out by them, there again the jackpots of casinos or casino groups are the exception. Sources and transparency you want to have in addition, only times so a question, if you let yourselves install a therme by the Installateur, must this then also its conditions and discounts with e.g. Junkers admit? ... ..probably not and that is also the reason why you will learn little or nothing. It has also sure each casino its own contract, often also staggered and the more spins the better the price
Unbeliver wrote on 19.11.2018 at 12:43 pm: The manufacturer gets a license fee per spin in the form of a low percentage, the exception are the manufacturer jackpots which are of course paid out by them, there again the jackpots of casinos or casino groups are the exception. Sources and transparency you want to have in addition, only times so a question, if you let yourselves install a therme by the Installateur, must this then also its conditions and discounts with e.g. Junkers admit? ... ..probably not and that is also the reason why you will learn little or nothing. It has also sure each casino its own contract, often also staggered and the more spins the better the price.
clearly, yes. Each gas water plumber or mechanic or whatever shows you quite listed the individual invoice items. 1 hr 38€ gross, faucet xy 130€ installation 40€ time 120 minutes 38*2€ gross cost etc.
He may not say the conditions or how much he saves, but he tells you how much it costs (cost estimate), whether you accept is another question.
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but am in plus with a 3-digit range...
make now until mid december ne break...
had lately often luck and I do not want to immediately challenge again xD
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That's exactly what I mean
The Risk of streamers is much lower due to the high Deposit Bonuses and the chance to make bigger wins is also higher than for normal players. You have understood me correctly.
I wanted to make clear with my reference to 20k wins that I already achieved only that I as a normal casino player without deposit bonuses of 500% could also achieve such wins and that a total of 3 times this year, because "gambler" has claimed that such profits are totally unrealistic and accused the casinos of manipulation.
We do not know the figures of Lapalingo. If the whole thing would not be worthwhile for the streamers and the casino operators, neither the streamers would sit down and gamble for hours nor the casino operators so "advertising".
I wanted to make clear with my speculation about the possible new registrations only how much a casino profits from it, if only 1000 new players register and deposit 100€ in the month. That is 100k revenue in one month. And I think that the 100€ in deposit is not unrealistic and works well as an average value. So if Monte, Rosh or anyone else can cash out 50k in a month, the casino will still have made a win
You also have to keep in mind that the casino operators only offer the slots on their site. If someone wins at NETENT, it's not the casino operator that pays, it's the slot manufacturer. So if the casino site supports its player with 500% he does not have to pay the actual amount won, but the difference so 5000€. So neither the casino site takes a high risk, nor the player. Both sides profit!
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Unfortunately I can't believe that, the casino operators get the players money and the slot providers pay in case of winning? No, this is different in every case except jackpots. Because if the slot Provider would have to pay, new casinos would allow higher payouts per month and would not even care who wins - they never have to pay anyway, but always only the slot provider.
The providers get their monthly fee for providing the games and done, the casino where you win has to pay the win and can go bankrupt.
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I have heard and read that so often.
I would like a source?
Would the slot BOD then be more expensive than Bonanza for example?
What would be the price list, is it paid monthly or yearly?
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I'll do some more research, don't want to write anything wrong. It will take me a while, but in the meantime you can post sources that I will gladly read. To answer your question, probably different - that will make out and discuss with the casinos.
Counter question: what if you get €10 from BOD and put it back into Bonanza, does BTG get the €10 from Playn Go through the casino as an intermediary?
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This is the intransparency in Online Casinos, no one knows how what is where and how that is financed.
You are very welcome to show your research.
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So the slot developers are always the big winners and in principle can't make a loss, since it doesn't matter if you win or lose on a spin. They merely provide the playground
If the game Provider paid out the wins, then every casino would probably also allow the highest bet for a slot. However, this differs from casino to casino, as they can set the stakes themselves, precisely because they are the ones who pay out the wins
LG
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Sounds logical, still doesn't change the fact that the streamers' wins are not fraud as stated here
I just wanted to point out that it is definitely worth it for the casino operators, even if they have to pay out large sums to their Streamer
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clearly, yes. Each gas water plumber or mechanic or whatever shows you quite listed the individual invoice items. 1 hr 38€ gross, faucet xy 130€ installation 40€ time 120 minutes 38*2€ gross cost etc.
He may not say the conditions or how much he saves, but he tells you how much it costs (cost estimate), whether you accept is another question.
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