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18th Nov. 2018, at 12:08 am CET#11

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@ derzweifel:
Yes of course this is nonsense. However, I advise you not to ask for explanations in the stream, because either you will be portrayed as an envious fool or you will get a more or less good lie around the ears - in the best case your question is simply ignored, but then come the fans who compulsively "enlighten" you how wrong you are. Besides, you can not present any evidence - there you are directly times wrong

The opposite is then explained to you with self-created facts - so to fake a Skrill screen or even the payout history of a casino is not very difficult for me with moderate HTML knowledge. I also find it interesting that no one wants to comment on the behavior of the competition, freely according to the motto of one crow does not peck out the eye of another. And in general, they squirm like an eel in the sand and lie like world champions when questions are asked about legality, broadcasting license or imprint requirements.

For me, no Streamer that permanently gets a 100% or more bonus does not reflect a real game because the bonus alone distorts the odds extremely
If you want to watch real casino streaming then look out for the ones that spin with 2 euros or less because there it is usually (still) normal. That means the poor guys lose very often like most of us.

@Unibeliver:
I see it similarly as you, not for nothing one calls the thick things "Once in a lifetime" - with Streamern of the mentioned class these occur clearly too frequently as it could be explained with the probability.

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Markus85LEV

Forum posts: 29 Member since: 05.11.2018

Streamer wins

18th Nov. 2018, at 01:18 am CET#12

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Unfortunately, the entire casino or online casino scene in Germany is too small. In other words, too small in terms of mass

What is going on in this area is madness. - Be it from the ridiculous "regulation" often mentioned to me, about insane terms and conditions (which are accepted by most simply shrugging their shoulders - those should also be said again: NO, you can not just write any nonsense in the terms and conditions and just because it's in there, it's okay) - to the absurd videos with the craziest wins.

If this industry were more important in Germany, i.e. more in the media spotlight, then countless reports would have long since uncovered the whole thing

I would wish that NEO Royal, for example, who also smuggled in the fakes on "Schwiegertochter gesucht", would simply integrate a Streamer in the industry. They would then realize what kind of agreements are going on with the casinos.

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18th Nov. 2018, at 02:38 am CET#13

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I have to admit that I have followed streams from time to time. To make a final judgment, I lack too much information

However, I would like to say that I have also seen sessions where thousands of euros were gambled away without a win

Greetings

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18th Nov. 2018, at 03:03 am CET#14

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Markus85LEV wrote on 18.11.2018 at 01:18: Unfortunately, the entire casino or online casino scene in D is too small. So, on mass seen too small

What is going on in this area is madness. - Be it from the ridiculous "regulation" often mentioned to me, about crazy terms and conditions (which are accepted by most simply shrugging their shoulders - those should also be said again: NO, you can not just write any nonsense in the terms and conditions and just because it's in there, it's okay) - to the absurd videos with the craziest wins.

If this industry were more important in Germany, i.e. more in the media spotlight, then countless reports would have long since uncovered the whole thing

I would wish that NEO Royal, for example, who also smuggled in the fakes on "Schwiegertochter gesucht", would simply integrate a Streamer in the industry. They would then realize what kind of agreements are going on with the casinos.

Why should they do that? Online Casinos are still not legalized in Germany according to the law and they work with a practically fabricated gray area because German players are no longer prosecuted.

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derzweifel

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Forum posts: 304 Member since: 23.09.2018

Streamer wins

18th Nov. 2018, at 04:24 am CET#15

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Lucifer88 wrote on 11/18/2018 at 02:38: I must confess that I have followed streams from time to time. I lack too much info to make a final judgement

However, I would like to interject that I have also seen sessions at said streamers where thousands of euros were gambled away without a win arriving

Greetings

Absolutely, I've also seen thousands of € sunk (on very high stakes mind you)

I'm not saying it's all wins or that every session ends up with a win - it feels more like streamers playing "120%" RTP slots: If it goes bad, you lose with it too, but it just rarely goes bad. Bonuses come faster, pay better, the Basegame is much friendlier, etc

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18th Nov. 2018, at 09:41 am CET#16

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I absolutely do not understand the excitement as well as the whining

If you just think about it, you will come to the conclusion that their probability of making high wins is higher because they usually get Deposit Bonuses of 500%. While we play with 1000€ starting stake, the streamers start with 6000€. It is not uncommon that a big win occurs more often. I myself have already played my way up to 20k 3 times. If I, like the streamers not the fear of having to bet larger sums, I would play even RISKANTER

Especially since you have to keep in mind that we don't know anything about how much the streamers actually get to keep from the winnings. However, I can imagine that a Streamer with at least 1k viewers is already allowed to keep his wins. Just because he animates many new players who sign up through his links, he has already granted a turnover for the casino

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Streamer wins

18th Nov. 2018, at 10:28 am CET#17

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capriz wrote on 11/18/2018 at 09:41: I absolutely do not understand the excitement as well as the whining

If you just think about it you will come to the conclusion that their probability of making high wins is higher because of this, since they mostly get Deposit Bonuses of 500%. While we play with 1000€ starting stake, the streamers start with 6000€. That a big win occurs more often is not uncommon. I myself have already played my way up to 20k 3 times. If I, like the streamers not the fear to have to bet larger sums, I would play even RISKANTER

Especially since you have to keep in mind that we don't know anything about how much the streamers actually get to keep from the winnings. However, I can imagine that a Streamer with at least 1k viewers is already allowed to keep his wins. Just because he animates many new players who sign up through his links, he has already granted a turnover for the casino.

Rarely read so much bullshit in one text......

Are you all so stupid or what?

I have been following Rohstein for years......

And what he does in casinos? ... nothing else but winning, he said just the other day in a livestream he was around 250,000 € in plus....

aha ok if in your opinion one would need only more capital to win, you you said 6000 € start or more...and ->&gt

then you always get out with a win, I wonder where the casino takes the money probably from the casino boss from his savings account and distributes it to those who deposit 10,000€ initially and make it 50,000€ xD

you could do the same principle with LOW stakes 0.20€ press and 50€ or 100€ charge the same shit-dirt principle
only with less stake

and everyone here in this forum can testify that this brings nothing at all and you lose to 90%....

Because after your bullshit after the claim here that the accounts are quite normal,
Would all high-rollers only win

So think logically, and there it starts when you say I do not watch the streams...
Then times also does not see how often the hits over 300x, 400X and higher make

And Roshtein eg. Each time with a 2k deposit and 6k bonus between 20k and 60k payout has....

And then he always starts Bonus hunt with mostly €10 stake where every 4bis5 Scatter throws 3k or 4k or even more and in the end again several 10k payout....

is always so......

So think about it yourself LOGICALLY all claim here that the, the same opportunities as we have...

Every person with common sense who has a little education knows that this is not possible....

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18th Nov. 2018, at 11:40 am CET#18

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Stay calm for a moment before you become abusive here like a pubescent child

1. Rosh gets a 500% bonus for every Deposit he makes, just like many other casino streamers. Most streamers don't even have a max bet bonus like normal casino players, so they already have an advantage. Rosh has to wager the 1000€ with 500% bonus = 6000€ x 35. So that means he has to wager 210k. Other streamers may have different conditions. Monte claims that he only has to convert the deposited amount 3 times. But it does not matter

Whether he can pay out his actual win in full, if he has ventured to the end, remains hidden to us. We do not know his conditions at the casino, but to claim that this is all FAKE, can only come from someone who does not have his gaming behavior under control and has tried the same out of frustration and has not come to the same goal

I have personally made wins of up to 20k several times. However, there are also times when I only make losses. However, if I had a bonus of 500%, so my probability of winning would be 5 x higher ^^. What you do not want to understand about this principle is relative to me

Have you ever bothered to speculate how much a casino profits from recruiting a new customer? If Monte from the 30k viewers, only 1000 sign up, the casino has already made a win, if you think long term. If each of the 1000 customers only 100€ deposits, the casino has already earned 100,000 euros. The 25k that Monte can pay out there, so in no way harms the casino, but in the long run they benefit from it. Especially since in the stream also more and more people sign up through his links or free promo. Who can only think up to his front door, so what should I expect from this person?

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18th Nov. 2018, at 12:32 pm CET#19

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aha interesting...

1000 players each pays 100€, is 100.000€, and not one wins anything xD????

i think rather that 90% of the people go out with a win... how often do you hear here in the forum that they make thousands of euros with Deposit bonus xD

would no one come back paid all lost......

So do not baber......

And yes if you had looked at his STreams times, you would have also seen that he makes the deposits via Neteller or PayPal do not know exactly and he has also shown exactly his payouts...

well and to the accusation I have my gambling behavior not under control, must say the grad who claims to have been 3 times on 20k,

i have here times my RTP of Videoslots, you can hardly believe it, I'm signed up since August, and in plus, (also had minds. already 20 deposits)

small info on the edge play no other casino except Videoslots, have nem year ago once Rizk gambled but the Bonuses and game selection is simply better at video
just a few days ago I came with 7 € casino race to 300 € xD

https://www.bilder-upload.eu/bild-fa1edb-1542540430.jpg.html

Ohhh... show your RTP capriz wharscheinlich on 60%

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Forum posts: 303 Member since: 08.11.2018

Streamer wins

18th Nov. 2018, at 03:16 pm CET#20

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@capriz

While we play with 1000€ starting stake, the streamers start with 6000€

Not right, because the 500% bonus streamers also only bet 1000€. But I understand what you are getting at...

I myself have played myself up to 20k 3 times already

With how many bullets ? Your standard bullet is 1000€ as you wrote.

Especially since you have to keep in mind that we don't know anything about how much the streamers actually get to keep from the winnings.

That's what the streamers themselves communicate often enough: They are allowed to keep everything ( who believes it )

but to claim that this is all FAKE can only come from someone who does not have his gaming behavior under control and has tried the same thing out of frustration and has not come to the same goal.

I claim that it is fake, have my gaming behavior extremely well under control and have never even come close to the idea to try the same. And now?

Have you ever bothered to speculate how much a casino profits from recruiting a new customer?

A speculation is not a good starting point for an argument, unfortunately. How many of the 30K spectators are regular fans and how many are actually new? Because after the regulars are "grazed" only the growth rate counts as a basis for your calculation - and especially MontanaBlack whose audience is assumed to have a significant proportion of minors is even less suitable for such a calculation.

But in principle I give you right, it is Promotion and the casino would only operate if it is worthwhile in the long term.

Who can think only up to his front door, what should I expect from this person?

I don't like such sentences. It means nothing other than that I am stupid if I do not share your reasoning.

@zocker123

And yes if you had looked at his STreams times, you would have seen that he makes the deposits via Neteller or PayPal do not know exactly and he has also shown exactly his payouts...

Unfortunately, the show of payaccounts times so nothing worth because easy to fake.
Example pleasing? I claim times that I have won with 40 euros Deposit at onlinecasino.de 32 million... here the "evidence":

Screenshot onlinecasino account - https://imgur.com/a/85rUiSJ

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Screenshot Skrill Account - https://imgur.com/a/y1x9j5B

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And now prove me wrong (apart from the obvious nonsense that is written there)!

Now, of course, this fake is easy to debunk because I do not know how the separators are for such amounts (unfortunately never had millions on a Skrill account :'( ), but with sufficient criminal energy it should not be a big problem to make such pages "watertight". Effort for this was not 5 minutes (and no, it is not Photoshopped). Some data was intentionally not displayed correctly - e.g. time of deposit and withdrawal on Onlinecasino

I have here times my RTP of Videoslots, you can hardly believe it, am signed up since August, and in plus, (had also minds. already 20 deposits)

Congratulations, a positive OverallRTP is rarely seen - but without wanting to attack you, this does not allow any conclusions about your playing behavior, only that you are one of the few (still) can show a positive balance. Just by the way: my RTP is 95.09%. But what does this RTP value mean ? Accordingly, I should have lost overall only 5% of my deposits. My balance (and certainly that of many others) looks quite different

Are you all so stupid or what?

I think I'm not that stupid, but it could be my imagination
Please do not generalize such statements, call the/those by name so that others do not feel possibly addressed.

Otherwise, I do not think it brings anything to address each other and helps the discussion certainly not further.

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