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We will not be offering sports betting on StarGames.de, we are focusing our brand on slots and possibly (if this is made possible for private companies) on online casino games. Thank you for your understanding.
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Do I read Microgaming games? I love you a bit again .
But I just had a look, unfortunately only 3 games from this manufacturer are available so far. So I hope there will be a lot more very soon.
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Point 1:
Who determines that the Rtp + tax is calculated according to this formula, and the Rtp is not applied to the total stake as in my calculation? Does this only apply to Greentube slots or would you confirm 100% that, for example, a slot from the licensed Provider Lapalingo with 94.20% and tax deduction per spin offers exactly the same playing time/chances of winning as an 88.xx version without tax deduction? There is also the option to choose to tax every win (7.x%) instead of every spin. How would this affect the calculation? Your calculation does not take into account the increased chances of winning for the normal Rtp.
Any experienced player will be able to confirm that it is a completely different gaming experience with N1 or back then with Platin, for example, when the tax was also deducted but the Rtp was still normal. (Which doesn't mean that you can lose your house and home with a 96-99% payout ratio) Either way, this tax per spin is usurious and a crime against humanity.
On point 2:
On mernovpunktde (I repeat, the name Mernov originated from Merkur-Novomatic) you can read in detail that the Novomatic subsidiary GreenTube belongs to this construct. Does StarGames not belong to Greentube and therefore also to Novomatic AG?
The fact that they have now renamed themselves Deutsche Gesellschaft für Glücksspiel (German Gaming Association) and brought other greentubers on board does not change the fact that this lobbying association was created to force the current offer on us players.
If you say it's not, then I have a few questions:
Is it really a coincidence that Mernov came into existence in 2020, at that time still based in Bulgaria?
Is it really a coincidence that the online gambling license was pushed through exactly during the Covid period (2020-2021) when the offline casinos had to close?
Is it really a coincidence that Merkur&Novomatic received the first online license, i.e. the very providers whose rip-off machines (the world's worst payout rates) can be found in the local casinos and, above all, take the last few cents out of the pockets of the less educated lower class in Germany?
Is it really a coincidence that the tax, behind which you always like to hide and justify the poor payout rates, prevents a real counter-offer to the offline casinos from being created online? It would be a shot in the arm for both companies if the online offering offered a better gaming experience than offline, or am I wrong?
Why is your partner, Gauselmann, constantly seen at receptions with high-ranking politicians (just three days ago he even received the German President at Benkhausen Castle)? Couldn't he address the issue of unfair taxes to improve it if he wanted to?
Sorry, but I see a very clear case of lobbying here, which doesn't seem to be a problem in the lobbying paradise of Germany, but I dare say could be a case for the public prosecutor's office in many countries around the world.
Point 3:
Curacao is not a fantasy island, sure there are many black sheep under this license but with a bit of common sense and GUTS you can easily filter out the very good ones. And when I think of stake or winz, I am bursting with envy for the players worldwide who have the freedom to experience fair gambling with payout ratios of over 96%. Kahnawake as an Indian reservation in Canada also exists in reality. The latter license has even existed since 1996 and has a very good reputation. Even though it is not recognized by Canada, it is tolerated. To be honest, I find it a bit racist how disrespectful you are about Kahnawake and that it is supposed to be a fantasy island.
By the way, your employer Greentube Malta writes on its own homepage Greentube Malta benefits from all the advantages Malta has to offer: stability, a highly-skilled work force, a reputable regulatory framework, low costs, and strict approach to responsible gaming. The country's regulatory bodies have set benchmarks in the gaming industry.
So if my English skills are not deceiving me, I can see that the Malta (this island actually exists ✌️) EU license is not so bad after all. But why is it only not good enough for players from Germany?
And should German tourists who want to visit the Dragonara or Casino Malta, for example, be denied entry because these casinos are subject to the MGA and not the GGL?
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Just to answer the questions that actually make sense.
Regarding point 1: the tax is a separate transaction. This money is deducted from the player's account but not brought into play. Therefore, the game provider does not apply the RTP to this transaction. We stand by the fact that the two systems ("tax per spin" or lower payout ratio) are IDENTICAL. If one system were better than the other, ALL providers would have been on this one system long ago - don't you think? Since changing the payout ratio is technically easier, most have opted for it. In the end, both providers pay the same amount of tax and players lose the same money in both cases.
Regarding point 2: StarGames belongs to Greentube. However, StarGames is NOT part of DGGS. Therefore, as StarGames employees, we cannot say anything about what DGGS has or has not done.
Point 3:
Hopefully you already know that gambling is regulated throughout Europe (there are 1-2 countries where there is still a monopoly, but these will probably soon be re-regulated). Only in a few countries can black market providers still offer their products, because in all these European countries the fight against illegal gambling is much better than in Germany.
In Switzerland, Denmark and Spain, such sites are simply blocked. It must also be said that the regulations in these countries are much better for players and licensed providers than in Germany, so very few players want to play on illegal sites at all. This is because the regulated market is almost as good as the illegal market.
We hope that this will be the case in Germany in the future (for you players and affiliates, but also for us as providers).
Although the question was meant sarcastically, you know that you are always subject to the laws of the country you are in. So you can also register in London at a casino licensed in Great Britain.
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Even if mathematically both variants bring the same result for players and providers in the long term, I also have the feeling that the variant with a high rtp is more likely to produce big hits in a slot.
Basically, a slot with 90 percent rtp could theoretically simply pay out 90 cents for every €1. In the end, the RTP would always be reached but the player would never be in the black.
Of course, it's not that extreme in reality. But even if both variants bring the same result in the long term, the big hits for which you play slots and which also enable a payout sometimes seem to occur more with the slots with the high RTP.
In my experience, when I was still playing at dux with tax, I had hits of over x1000 on a fairly regular basis. In all licensed casinos since regulation only once...
But well, there are both options and you can play wherever you want...
And I hope, like you, that the problem will eventually disappear because the regulatory authority or politicians come to their senses😂
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The Greentube Extra Spins slots you offered also had a much better Rtp and that was a completely different gaming experience and you could even have fun compared to the Deadspingalors on the ~90%Rtp games. Or, I'm not imagining it, that the gameplay wasn't identical. Apparently there was an attempt at a solution there to calculate this A-hole tax differently. But you probably know better how it was calculated in the background of these games. I can only speak from my point of view as a player, and I stand by my opinion that Pragmatic/Play'n Go with >94%Rtp + tax at the Löwen/Rabbit casinos deliver a completely different gaming result in the long term than <90%Rtp without tax. Whether this is probably not really profitable for these providers shows that they are the only ones with a license to offer this.
As I said, on mernovpunktde it is written in black and white that Greentube is part of the DGGS joint venture, but so be it. It should be no secret that your parent company is Novomatic AG. And that's why you get my criticism because Mernov is very much responsible for this mess, which is called a license and gambling authority, even if it's not directly your fault at StarGames.
But respect to you for facing up to the criticism and responding to the posts 🙏 Also respect to Gamblejoe, who as affiliates certainly have no interest in the gaming libraries being attacked here, sometimes violently, but still allow freedom of expression and do not censor anything 👍
It would be a dream come true if the casinos in the foreground did everything they could to change this and provide us with a fair, licensed offering like many other European countries instead of investing their capacities in the fight against the black market. The last person has probably understood that this would take care of itself. Unfortunately, I don't have the faith to do this and I think everything will develop in a much worse direction (keyword Tipico-84%Rtp)
Maybe gambling in Germany has to die before Gauselmann and co. realize that they can't enforce their monopoly online as easily as offline.
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What you are talking about is volatility and not the RTP. Volatility is not changed when the RTP is lowered. With some slots, smaller wins come more often, but with others, bigger wins come less often. This is the case with an RTP of 96% and the same with an RTP of 86%. Lowering the RTP reduces the chance of winning at all levels - not just the chance of the biggest win.
If we're being completely honest, we've been arguing for months, if not years, for just two changes that should be reconsidered in the regulations. These are:
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I am well aware of the difference between volatility and RTP...
If you say that all win factors/probabilities of winning are reduced equally when the RTP is lowered, that may be the case. But it doesn't seem that way when playing.
Are you sure that all providers handle it this way? Or are some providers a little more flexible when it comes to adjusting the probabilities of winning?
I mean, of course, if an already unlikely event like a x1000 hit becomes even 7 percent less likely, then you can easily get the wrong impression.
At the end of the day, I still think that with the higher RTP you still have a better chance of winning something big, even if you pay more per spin.
And I think the majority of players pay out their money when it's worth it, which is usually the case after good hits.
To your knowledge, is there any other country where slots are operated with this low RTP?
And regarding the tax, I think any taxation per spin is disproportionate... Why not just on the depositor?
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I think because the tax office wants to earn money 😉
You don't have a fixed number of spins for each depositor. If you Deposit 50 euros and win 400 and continue to play, the number of spins the player plays increases accordingly. If a deduction is made directly upon depositing, the state loses 😉
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I understand why the state wants it that way😄
My question was more about the fact that StarGames has spoken out in favor of lower taxation per spin. And I find any taxation per spin disproportionate, simply because you basically pay tax on the same money umpteen times over.
The taxation of sports betting, among other things, has been cited as justification. There, too, it is basically cheeky, but the hobby player doesn't notice it quite as much.
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