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Online Casinos in general: Slotsmillion: New (TOP!) Online Casino on GambleJoe (Page 6)

Topic created on 26th Jan. 2018 | Page: 6 of 34 | Answers: 336 | Views: 88,271
Daniel
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Skitch22 wrote on 01/29/2018 at 11:16 am
chmi77 wrote on 01/28/2018 at 23:04: Slotsmillion is a casino where my heart bleeds looking back.
Presentation great, reputable, great game selection, all parameters fit there, but I couldn't win. I played there at the end of 2016 and easily made 40 deposits in 2 weeks, at the end 500 EUR each, a total of about 7-8K but I could not win, no matter which slot I played, the money rattled down, my biggest success was to reach 25% of my Deposit as balance. Repeatedly I complained to the support, they themselves said that they can not explain it and I apparently just have unbelievable bad luck. They often gave me Bonuses as compensation. Unfortunately, I never managed to get a payout. Eventually I closed the account, my lifetime RTP with them was 46% at the time. As a gesture of goodwill, they even refunded my last 500 EUR payment as a goodwill bonus on my credit card. Probably they had pity or a guilty conscience.
A recommendable casino, but with me it ran disastrously.

40 deposits in 2 weeks in a casino where you notice it does not run ? Why do you deposit so much in a casino when you realize it's not working? i do not check. I get me once 50 € Paysafecard if nothing comes then that was it and even if I would get another Paysafecard it would certainly not then the same casino where nothing has gone before.

I do not find this stupid or incomprehensible, because in the long run it does not matter where you play. In the end, it does not matter whether you play only in one online casino or in different (from the odds). Actually, it is even better to look for a regular casino, which is reliable, because then you at least know that there are no problems in case of a win and you do not have to verify.

Fictional story of two players

Two players (Hans and Franz) play the same game for a year at a time with 10 cents / spin. They are so addicted to gambling and sick that they do not need sleep. Both play only Book of Dead, which has a payout rate of 96.21%. Hans changes casinos every 2 weeks and Franz only plays at one online casino. Both players make the same amount of spins this year (20 spins per minute, 1,200 spins per hour, 28,800 spins per day = 10,512,000 spins per year).

At the end of the year, both players look at their account balances and see that they both lost exactly €39,840.48 (**) (+- €100). Both players had experienced everything there was to experience during the 10.5 million spins, including 5 explorers several times during the free spins, for one the 5 explorers occurred right at the beginning, for the other rather at the end.

The balance of both players is equally good or bad with so many spins at the end and both players played exactly according to the payout ratio - since they had played so much. There were awesome eats and also awesome lucky streaks every now and then. Franz, who always switched, is still waiting for some payouts, as he also occasionally got into bad Online Casinos (also with Malta license) that didn't want to pay out. Franz looks a lot more finished than Hans, because he had to struggle a few times with the MGA (Maltese Regulatory Authority) for weeks and months until he got his wins.

Conclusion

Since the casinos have no influence on the games, it doesn't matter if you always play at the same casino or change all the time. You can also have an extreme streak of luck and win 10x in a row at the same casino. You can also switch 10 casinos and only lose in all 10 casinos. If you play often enough, it all happens. You have no influence on when and where you win and even the casinos, as well as the game manufacturers, can not predict when or who will win or lose the next time. Even if things go badly in a casino, it can change at any time.

(**) at an AQ of 96.21%, both players lose on average 3.79% of their bet per spin in the long run. At 10 cents per spin = 0.00379€ / spin. 10.512,000 spins * 0.00379€ = 39,840.48€




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Daniel wrote on 01/29/2018 at 16:02
Skitch22 wrote on 01/29/2018 at 11:16 AM
chmi77 wrote on 01/28/2018 at 23:04: Slotsmillion is a casino where my heart bleeds looking back.
Presentation great, reputable, great game selection, all parameters fit there, but I couldn't win. I played there at the end of 2016 and easily made 40 deposits in 2 weeks, at the end 500 EUR each, a total of about 7-8K but I could not win, no matter which slot I played, the money rattled down, my biggest success was to reach 25% of my Deposit as balance. Repeatedly I complained to the support, they themselves said that they can not explain it and I apparently just have unbelievable bad luck. They often gave me Bonuses as compensation. Unfortunately, I never managed to get a payout. Eventually I closed the account, my lifetime RTP with them was 46% at the time. As a gesture of goodwill, they even refunded my last 500 EUR payment as a goodwill bonus on my credit card. Probably they had pity or a guilty conscience.
A recommendable casino, but with me it ran disastrously.

40 deposits in 2 weeks in a casino where you notice it does not run ? Why do you deposit so much in a casino when you realize it's not working? i do not check. I get me once 50 € Paysafecard if nothing comes then that was it and even if I would get another Paysafecard it would certainly not then the same casino where nothing has gone before.

I do not find this stupid or incomprehensible, because in the long run it does not matter where you play. In the end, it does not matter whether you play only in one online casino or in different (from the odds). Actually, it is even better to look for a regular casino, which is reliable, because then you at least know that there are no problems in case of a win and you do not have to verify.

Fictional story of two players

Two players (Hans and Franz) play the same game for a year at a time with 10 cents / spin. They are so addicted to gambling and sick that they don't need sleep. Both play only Book of Dead, which has a payout rate of 96.21%. Hans changes casinos every 2 weeks and Franz only plays at one online casino. Both players make the same amount of spins this year (20 spins per minute, 1,200 spins per hour, 28,800 spins per day = 10,512,000 spins per year).

At the end of the year, both players look at their account balances and see that they both lost exactly €39,840.48 (**) (+- €100). Both players had experienced everything there was to experience during the 10.5 million spins, including 5 explorers several times during the free spins, for one the 5 explorers occurred right at the beginning, for the other rather at the end.

The balance of both players is equally good or bad with so many spins at the end and both players played exactly according to the payout ratio - since they had played so much. There were awesome eats and also awesome lucky streaks every now and then. Franz, who always switched, is still waiting for some payouts, as he also occasionally got into bad Online Casinos (also with Malta license) that didn't want to pay out. Franz looks a lot more finished than Hans, because he had to struggle a few times with the MGA (Maltese Regulatory Authority) for weeks and months until he got his wins.

Conclusion

Since the casinos have no influence on the games, it doesn't matter if you always play at the same casino or change all the time. You can also have an extreme streak of luck and win 10x in a row at the same casino. You can also switch 10 casinos and only lose in all 10 casinos. If you play often enough, it all happens. You have no influence on when and where you win and even the casinos, as well as the game manufacturers, can not predict when or who will win or lose the next time. Even if things go badly in a casino, it can change at any time.

(**) at an AQ of 96.21%, both players lose on average 3.79% of their bet per spin in the long run. At 10 cents per spin = 0.00379€ / spin. 10.512,000 spins * 0.00379€ = 39,840.48€





I have 2 understanding questions. Once about your example and once about the payout ratio

1. in your example, Franz changes the casinos in this scenario while Hans plays continuously in a casino, a slot and a machine, because he never leaves the game. In the case of Hans, I believe that the payout ratio can come about in this way

With Franz again I ask myself: If this changes constantly the Casinos and thus also the automats, this can have nevertheless also no win or very much more than the AQ. Since the payout is valid for 1 machine / slot. Say Hans plays theoretically now as an example on 50 different machines and can therefore not guarantee that the AQ so holds, since this yes before he gets to this already again the casino and the machine changes. (Hope that is understandable otherwise I take another example )

2. How can I have an AQ at a slot, if I have lost my entire balance at this restlos? I have honestly never understood that. If I play for 1 year at Book of Dead every time my total balance to 0.00 euros, I have an AQ of 0.00% or do I see that wrong?

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SNO22
Rookie
I signed up on a trial basis and accepted the welcome bonus. 25€ +25€ Am now on over 750€, have I read this correctly that I can only withdraw 200€?

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Rasmik12
Top Member
To 2: Interim profits also count towards the AQ. This means that even if you lose everything, your AQ is not zero, because you have also made wins in the meantime. Unless you lose your bet on every game-> then your AQ would really be zero.

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Anonym
SNO22 wrote on 30.01.2018 at 12:23 pm: Signed up on a trial basis and accepted the welcome bonus. 25€ +25€ Am now on over 750€, have I read this correctly that I can only withdraw 200€?

Find I exciting, if that is so. Because I asked in the Live Chat and they said you can withdraw everything as long as you have not touched his bonus. Have you played it or not?

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SNO22
Rookie

I mean the first free spins came with 23€ or so

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SNO22
Rookie
It was now all displayed as real money. Have now times 450€ given to the payout. I will report

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Daniel
Elite
Hammerdammer wrote on 01/29/2018 at 21:14
Daniel wrote on 01/29/2018 at 16:02
Skitch22 wrote on 01/29/2018 at 11:16 AM
chmi77 wrote on 01/28/2018 at 11:04 pm: Slotsmillion is a casino where my heart bleeds looking back.
Presentation great, reputable, great game selection, all parameters fit there, but I couldn't win. I played there at the end of 2016 and easily made 40 deposits in 2 weeks, at the end 500 EUR each, a total of about 7-8K but I could not win, no matter which slot I played, the money rattled down, my biggest success was to reach 25% of my Deposit as balance. Repeatedly I complained to the support, they themselves said that they can not explain it and I apparently just have unbelievable bad luck. They often gave me Bonuses as compensation. Unfortunately, I never managed to get a payout. Eventually I closed the account, my lifetime RTP with them was 46% at the time. As a gesture of goodwill, they even refunded my last 500 EUR payment as a goodwill bonus on my credit card. Probably they had pity or a guilty conscience.
A recommendable casino, but with me it ran disastrously.

40 deposits in 2 weeks in a casino where you notice it does not run ? Why do you deposit so much in a casino when you realize it's not working? i do not check. I get me once 50 € Paysafecard if nothing comes then that was it and even if I would get another Paysafecard it would certainly not then the same casino where nothing has gone before.

I do not find this stupid or incomprehensible, because in the long run it does not matter where you play. In the end, it does not matter whether you play only in one online casino or in different (from the odds). Actually, it is even better to look for a regular casino, which is reliable, because then you at least know that there are no problems in case of a win and you do not have to verify.

Fictional story of two players

Two players (Hans and Franz) play the same game for a year at a time with 10 cents / spin. They are so addicted to gambling and sick that they do not need sleep. Both play only Book of Dead, which has a payout rate of 96.21%. Hans changes casinos every 2 weeks and Franz only plays at one online casino. Both players make the same amount of spins this year (20 spins per minute, 1,200 spins per hour, 28,800 spins per day = 10,512,000 spins per year).

At the end of the year, both players look at their account balances and see that they both lost exactly €39,840.48 (**) (+- €100). Both players had experienced everything there was to experience during the 10.5 million spins, including 5 explorers several times during the free spins, for one the 5 explorers occurred right at the beginning, for the other rather at the end.

The balance of both players is equally good or bad with so many spins at the end and both players played exactly according to the payout ratio - since they had played so much. There were awesome eats and also awesome lucky streaks every now and then. Franz, who always switched, is still waiting for some payouts, as he also occasionally got into bad Online Casinos (also with Malta license) that didn't want to pay out. Franz looks a lot more finished than Hans, because he had to struggle a few times with the MGA (Maltese Regulatory Authority) for weeks and months until he got his wins.

Conclusion

Since the casinos have no influence on the games, it doesn't matter if you always play at the same casino or change all the time. You can also have an extreme streak of luck and win 10x in a row at the same casino. You can also switch 10 casinos and only lose in all 10 casinos. If you play often enough, it all happens. You have no influence on when and where you win and even the casinos, as well as the game manufacturers, can not predict when or who will win or lose the next time. Even if things go badly in a casino, it can change at any time.

(**) at an AQ of 96.21%, both players lose on average 3.79% of their bet per spin in the long run. At 10 cents per spin = 0.00379€ / spin. 10.512,000 spins * 0.00379€ = 39,840.48€

I have 2 understanding questions. Once about your example and once about the payout ratio

1. in your example, Franz changes casinos in this scenario while Hans plays continuously in a casino, a slot and a machine, because he never leaves the game. In the case of Hans, I believe that the payout ratio can come about in this way

With Franz again I ask myself: If this changes constantly the Casinos and thus also the automats, this can have nevertheless also no win or very much more than the AQ. Since the payout is valid for 1 machine / slot. Say Hans plays theoretically now as an example on 50 different machines and can therefore not guarantee that the AQ so holds, since this yes before he gets to this already again the casino and the machine changes. (Hope that is understandable otherwise I take another example )

2. How can I have an AQ at a slot, if I have lost my entire balance at this restlos? I have honestly never understood that. If I play for 1 year at Book of Dead every time my total balance to 0.00 euros, I have an AQ of 0.00% or do I see that wrong?


1. Franz changes casinos all the time, but plays only Book of Dead with 10 cents per spin in each casino. Each spin has the same chance to bring a fat winning picture or a losing picture, depending on the bet, time and casino. It doesn't matter what happened before or which player is sitting in front of the box.

This is also the reason why new online casinos often have a payout limit (jackpot independent) of €10,000 or €20,000 per month. A new online casino can also be unlucky and find players winning really big right at the beginning of its career. When a casino is new or not played much, a casino also takes a big risk. Only when many players gamble and the casino has been on the market for a while, it will with absolute certainty (through the many spins that are made) make wins.

It's like roulette. If you change casinos, in Roulette you also have the same chance of a win or a loss at any time. If you bet 100,000€ on red, then you happen to win or not. It doesn't matter if a roulette table is played a lot or a little. It also doesn't matter in which casino you play. Of course you can lose your 100,000€ in the Stuttgart casino, for example, but win 100,000€ in the Berlin casino.

Now the casino Stuttgart is not worse. You had the same chance everywhere. In roulette, the probability (if you bet on red or black) is almost 50/50 if you leave out the zero. Of course, with this chance you can only double your win. Slot machines work on the same principle, except that you can theoretically win 200x to 20,000x or more of your bet. Of course, due to the high win factors, the short-term probabilities are also much lower than in roulette and gobbling phases can be far more violent. However, slot games are harder to figure out and it is harder to estimate your chances than with roulette. In combination with the far higher Variance, conspiracy theories then arise.

2. As Rasmik12 correctly said, intermediate winnings (which you usually gamble away again) also count. AQ of 95% only means that you lose 5% of your bet per spin seen on an infinite number of spins. In the short term you can also get fat in the plus but in the long term (in good and bad times) you come to 5% loss per spin you have made.

You could also design a game with an AQ of 95% so that you can never win. Say, if you make a spin with 1€, then you lose exactly 5 cents with each spin or win back 95 cents (is the same). This would be a game with the smallest possible variance. Of course, there is no such game, because you would know beforehand exactly how each game ends and probably no one would play, because there would be no chance of winning.

Daniel

Source: https://www.gamblejoe.com/ratgeber/spielautomaten-varianz/

The table shows one minute of play at a Slot machine (20 spins = 1€ loss) with a fictitious variance. Such machines do not exist. But theoretically such a game would have an AQ of 95%, although such a game would not produce a single win. Players who play this slot with 1€ per spin would always lose exactly 60€ per hour of play. At 10€ / spin it would be 600€ hourly loss and at 10 cents 6€ hourly loss.

You could also reprogram the game to be suitable for a gambling house, so that every spin ends with a 25% loss. Then (if there were no booking times and Co.) each player who plays with 1€ stake would lose 5€ per minute or 300€ per hour (5 times more than in casinos or online casinos).

Small fact on the side: The worst odds, with just about 50%, have lotto and scratch cards. If lotto or scratch tickets could be played as fast as slots (20 games a minute), it would be a disaster for the players. Then you would lose a whole 600€ per hour of play (if you bet 1€ per game). As always, the state (which offers Lotto & Co.) is the biggest crook of all. It's actually a miracle that a game with such an extremely high variance coupled with such an extremely low payout ratio is the most successful gambling game in Germany. The providers could actually easily up the odds to 90% and would still earn themselves silly. The payout ratio could be increased by higher wins on 3-digit combos or by omitting the bonus number, thus making the game fairer for the players.

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Daniel
Elite
However, I would say that we end the topic at this point, as this thread should be about the online casino SlotsMillion and not about payout ratio and Variance

If there are still questions, please create a new thread

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SNO22
Rookie
Did not find anything in the terms and conditions regarding the maximum payout amount after using the welcome bonus.

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