I find this whole account cancellation, credit card blocking takes on proportions.
Even if it hasn't happened very often, it's not completely banned, but cancelled on a whim.
I remember a story here where the credit card was canceled just because you have withdrawn money from the ATM nearby or in the casino .
What does that have to do with online gambling then?
Was probably a bit of both.
Who knows who of the bank bosses all gambles.
I do not understand that there is no clear statement.
Permitted, prohibited, gray area, is tolerated, etc..
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Matrix1974 wrote on 27/08/2019 at 20:45: can that be that any bank that allows a transaction no matter which casino also in this moment actually makes itself punishable???
According to the last relevant court decision, banks are probably not obliged to check every transaction for gambling.
That must be the customer himself, whether certain things are allowed or not.
They will still do it internally, and also know that you gamble. However, such transactions also bring in money.
Presumably, the banks are currently weighing whether it is worth the Risk, or whether it is more advisable for some that
To cancel the current account before it can have criminal consequences. This would also explain why not
all of them. However, for the remaining banks that allow it, it is more difficult and dangerous, as you can refer to other
Banks that have put a stop to it or canceled accounts.
If transfers are directed to MuchBetter, Skrill, etc. from time to time, the bank can figure out where the money is
goes. And if there is a suspicion of a crime, they also control where the money goes from Muchbetter.
There is assistance within the EU for questionable transfers such as Muchbetter.
If Muchbetter refuses to disclose this, no more transfers will be allowed to the in the future.
Furthermore, it is also possible to be ordered by a court to disclose certain transactions.
Whether that happens is another question. PayPal is already pretty much dry, PSC probably won't survive much longer either.
What do you need these things for, if you're honest? Trustly doesn't even work anymore. At Sparda Bank, for example
e.g. transfers were blocked by them. And other banks now seem to be following suit.
I think it's going to dry up the market. Maybe that's the end of it, maybe that's the way it's supposed to be, in order to
the whole thing into controlled channels.
But basically, the banks have an advantage. They have the stronger lobby and, above all, the better lawyers
Lawyers. And above all, they have more money to appeal in the event of defeat. At the latest, the
Normal citizen runs out of money. And a legal protection Insurance company will also carefully weigh up whether it is promising.
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28th Aug. 2019, at 12:16 am CEST#24
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And what does all this tell us?
Stop gambling once and for all?
That would probably be the best thing.
However, doesn't Gambling addiction somehow take hold?
After all, it is a recognized addiction.
If someone harms someone else and drinks alcohol, the sentence is immediately mitigated.
Maybe it would be easier that we from DE could no longer access gambling sites.
That would be censorship. But the same makes but Novoline and Merkur also and it is feasible.
We simply cannot play these games.
All other gaming providers could do the same.
On the other hand, why isn't it just allowed?
What is so bad about it.
Even taxes are collected for online gambling. IN Germany.
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28th Aug. 2019, at 12:34 am CEST#25
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For me, I have stopped gambling. For me, it would also have professional consequences if, for example.
my checking account is
my checking account is canceled. What should I tell my employer? He controls the payments centrally
the payments. No account, no money. No transfers, nothing. That would be the downfall for me.
Above all, how do you tell something like that to the cashier of the employer? A conversion to e.g. the account of the father
would take at least 2 weeks. And it is not an account in your name. Whether they will do that is questionable.
Cash does not work for us either. So you have to
explain somehow. That means, mnd. 2 weeks no money, if no savings is there. And also only if
they get involved in the account of the father. Must you probably first again a declaration of consent
send to the bank. And with a new account, what do you tell the bank where you were before and why your
Account was canceled? A short call to your old bank is enough, and they know. So much for
Data protection. Then they refuse, and of course you don't get told why.
So as you can see, it's a huge rat race.
I would additionally put my family in a kind of distress, and I would be a bad family father if I would
if I let that happen. I've imme enjoyed gambling, but this is really all too awesome for me now.
I am with the ING, and have transferred a few months ago even quite a few euros via Trustly.
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That's why the Verification policies are a joke.
Most know everything about you anyway. Especially with Trustly, where everything is sent along.
Think of the No Account Casinos!
Who believes that there is no internal note, probably technical jargon that no one understands,
also believes in Online Casinos!
Now is just end, and it is saved.
Everyone must decide that for itself.
Better a censorship, than the cancellation of an account, and the resulting horror.
The taxes on something like this are taken, I can not explain. Taxes on principle crimes are really
a joke. But these are other spheres that decide such things. There we small do not come to it.
If I were a millionaire, I would sue. But unfortunately I'm not.
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28th Aug. 2019, at 01:02 am CEST#26
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a little paranoid huh?
the banks' balance sheets currently look anything but good due to the negative interest rate policy.
any business that generates black figures is gladly taken.
the revenues from gambling transactions are probably high enough that people overlook the ambiguous legal situation and tolerate these transactions.
this case and the few others that have become public here, among others, are not and will not be the rule, but rather the exception.
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28th Aug. 2019, at 01:45 am CEST#27
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Paranoid? I would like to have the naivety again!
It is not a gray area, the look in the law helps sometimes!
As long as the law is not changed, the law is valid
ECJ can still judge so long. In addition it would have the procedure
of the FRG with immediate effect, but he does not.
And as long as Germany does not implement this, or uses the loophole
there are either penalties, or Germany is just not ready yet
not yet ready. The dream that the ECJ will help you is a dream.
With your Kreditkate, Trustly, Sofort etc all personal data will be sent.
You cannot prevent that at all. Therefore, as described above,
the Verification is superfluous, or double nonsense. It only "checks" whether
You have gained unauthorized access to the payment method. They have the
have the data anyway. In addition, a query can be started via the
SCHUFA a query can be started, which you do not get, but confirmed in the terms and conditions
have! Are not all casinos, however.
And whether that remains the exception or becomes the rule, you can not know at all. This is a
Sentence, which is simply slapped without background knowledge.
Apart from that, it doesn't help the people who are the exception!
So before you call others paranoid, inform yourself first properly, then you can participate
You can also reasonably participate in such a discussion.
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Also a short paragraph for gamblers is available, and why these then evt no longer get a loan.
I would never have expected something like this!
But I'm just paranoid, sorry!
@sycorax80
Begbie's statement or question whether you are paranoid is already correct.
You expect from others, that one should inform oneself "correctly", but you write complete nonsense yourself
In case you are not aware of it, in Germany everyone has the right to a bank account, so you can refuse inquiries at your old bank, the new bank should not deny you the account, as long as there is no second one
I would like to meet your employer, an employer who would need 2 weeks to change something that takes only 2 minutes
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28th Aug. 2019, at 02:33 am CEST#30
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Now I really have to laugh out loud! in Germany, everyone has a right to a bank account.
Then ask the people who don't have an account, how easy it is to have an account in Germany
to have
I think I know my employer better!
And it is a few employees more, so leave statements about MY
Employer better to me!
And whether there is a phone call between the new and the old bank, why, why, you get with
Certainly not with. Only the rejection.
Only dreamers here who believe in the nice bank, and yet have to give everyone an account....
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Even if it hasn't happened very often, it's not completely banned, but cancelled on a whim.
I remember a story here where the credit card was canceled just because you have withdrawn money from the ATM nearby or in the casino .
What does that have to do with online gambling then?
Was probably a bit of both.
Who knows who of the bank bosses all gambles.
I do not understand that there is no clear statement.
Permitted, prohibited, gray area, is tolerated, etc..
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According to the last relevant court decision, banks are probably not obliged to check every transaction for gambling.
That must be the customer himself, whether certain things are allowed or not.
They will still do it internally, and also know that you gamble. However, such transactions also bring in money.
Presumably, the banks are currently weighing whether it is worth the Risk, or whether it is more advisable for some that
To cancel the current account before it can have criminal consequences. This would also explain why not
all of them. However, for the remaining banks that allow it, it is more difficult and dangerous, as you can refer to other
Banks that have put a stop to it or canceled accounts.
If transfers are directed to MuchBetter, Skrill, etc. from time to time, the bank can figure out where the money is
goes. And if there is a suspicion of a crime, they also control where the money goes from Muchbetter.
There is assistance within the EU for questionable transfers such as Muchbetter.
If Muchbetter refuses to disclose this, no more transfers will be allowed to the in the future.
Furthermore, it is also possible to be ordered by a court to disclose certain transactions.
Whether that happens is another question. PayPal is already pretty much dry, PSC probably won't survive much longer either.
What do you need these things for, if you're honest? Trustly doesn't even work anymore. At Sparda Bank, for example
e.g. transfers were blocked by them. And other banks now seem to be following suit.
I think it's going to dry up the market. Maybe that's the end of it, maybe that's the way it's supposed to be, in order to
the whole thing into controlled channels.
But basically, the banks have an advantage. They have the stronger lobby and, above all, the better lawyers
Lawyers. And above all, they have more money to appeal in the event of defeat. At the latest, the
Normal citizen runs out of money. And a legal protection Insurance company will also carefully weigh up whether it is promising.
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Stop gambling once and for all?
That would probably be the best thing.
However, doesn't Gambling addiction somehow take hold?
After all, it is a recognized addiction.
If someone harms someone else and drinks alcohol, the sentence is immediately mitigated.
Maybe it would be easier that we from DE could no longer access gambling sites.
That would be censorship. But the same makes but Novoline and Merkur also and it is feasible.
We simply cannot play these games.
All other gaming providers could do the same.
On the other hand, why isn't it just allowed?
What is so bad about it.
Even taxes are collected for online gambling. IN Germany.
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my checking account is
my checking account is canceled. What should I tell my employer? He controls the payments centrally
the payments. No account, no money. No transfers, nothing. That would be the downfall for me.
Above all, how do you tell something like that to the cashier of the employer? A conversion to e.g. the account of the father
would take at least 2 weeks. And it is not an account in your name. Whether they will do that is questionable.
Cash does not work for us either. So you have to
explain somehow. That means, mnd. 2 weeks no money, if no savings is there. And also only if
they get involved in the account of the father. Must you probably first again a declaration of consent
send to the bank. And with a new account, what do you tell the bank where you were before and why your
Account was canceled? A short call to your old bank is enough, and they know. So much for
Data protection. Then they refuse, and of course you don't get told why.
So as you can see, it's a huge rat race.
I would additionally put my family in a kind of distress, and I would be a bad family father if I would
if I let that happen. I've imme enjoyed gambling, but this is really all too awesome for me now.
I am with the ING, and have transferred a few months ago even quite a few euros via Trustly.
By the way: --- Link removed, because other Affiliate casino site was advertised ----
That's why the Verification policies are a joke.
Most know everything about you anyway. Especially with Trustly, where everything is sent along.
Think of the No Account Casinos!
Who believes that there is no internal note, probably technical jargon that no one understands,
also believes in Online Casinos!
Now is just end, and it is saved.
Everyone must decide that for itself.
Better a censorship, than the cancellation of an account, and the resulting horror.
The taxes on something like this are taken, I can not explain. Taxes on principle crimes are really
a joke. But these are other spheres that decide such things. There we small do not come to it.
If I were a millionaire, I would sue. But unfortunately I'm not.
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the banks' balance sheets currently look anything but good due to the negative interest rate policy.
any business that generates black figures is gladly taken.
the revenues from gambling transactions are probably high enough that people overlook the ambiguous legal situation and tolerate these transactions.
this case and the few others that have become public here, among others, are not and will not be the rule, but rather the exception.
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It is not a gray area, the look in the law helps sometimes!
As long as the law is not changed, the law is valid
ECJ can still judge so long. In addition it would have the procedure
of the FRG with immediate effect, but he does not.
And as long as Germany does not implement this, or uses the loophole
there are either penalties, or Germany is just not ready yet
not yet ready. The dream that the ECJ will help you is a dream.
With your Kreditkate, Trustly, Sofort etc all personal data will be sent.
You cannot prevent that at all. Therefore, as described above,
the Verification is superfluous, or double nonsense. It only "checks" whether
You have gained unauthorized access to the payment method. They have the
have the data anyway. In addition, a query can be started via the
SCHUFA a query can be started, which you do not get, but confirmed in the terms and conditions
have! Are not all casinos, however.
And whether that remains the exception or becomes the rule, you can not know at all. This is a
Sentence, which is simply slapped without background knowledge.
Apart from that, it doesn't help the people who are the exception!
So before you call others paranoid, inform yourself first properly, then you can participate
You can also reasonably participate in such a discussion.
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https://www.welt.de/finanzen/verbraucher/article139671014/Gegen-Kreditech-ist-die-Schufa-ein-Schuljunge.html
Also a short paragraph for gamblers is available, and why these then evt no longer get a loan.
I would never have expected something like this!
But I'm just paranoid, sorry!
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Begbie's statement or question whether you are paranoid is already correct.
You expect from others, that one should inform oneself "correctly", but you write complete nonsense yourself
In case you are not aware of it, in Germany everyone has the right to a bank account, so you can refuse inquiries at your old bank, the new bank should not deny you the account, as long as there is no second one
I would like to meet your employer, an employer who would need 2 weeks to change something that takes only 2 minutes
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Then ask the people who don't have an account, how easy it is to have an account in Germany
to have
I think I know my employer better!
And it is a few employees more, so leave statements about MY
Employer better to me!
And whether there is a phone call between the new and the old bank, why, why, you get with
Certainly not with. Only the rejection.
Only dreamers here who believe in the nice bank, and yet have to give everyone an account....
From therefore dream nicely further!
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