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Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling

8th Sep. 2018, at 05:47 pm CEST#61

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Gambling is similar to a junkie waiting full of hope for a picture and then taking the next shot. Every search ends fatally and as a gambler you don't look like a model because of it. Those who manage to quit completely have a real chance to live a life without addiction and debt. I play and I know that it is not good for you in the end. Whether I have reached the 200000 I can not say, but how often I have brought my savings there earlier in Spielos and Co. It was too often. There is nothing worse when the brain and the body are not one, you go like an addicted junkie and hit purely without end until you have nothing more then you get so to speak new substance. Playing makes sick and addicted no matter whether on the stock exchange slots football Scratch cards or anything else and that is so intentional because it suggests the system billions at the expense of us people

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8th Sep. 2018, at 05:49 pm CEST#62

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Daniel wrote on 08/09/2018 at 17:40

Also, please be careful with statements like this. Of course everyone is responsible for actions in the end and I'm happy for you (if it's true) that you got your Gambling addiction under control or "cured" without outside help. But people are different and just because it worked for you doesn't mean that everyone will succeed with your personal method. Some do succeed with professional help - or at least try to - and there's nothing wrong with that. In the end, the only thing that matters is that you made it, not how. The offer of gambling addiction therapy exists, and if you are addicted to gambling and can't manage on your own, then you should at least try to take advantage of this help.

I see the whole thing like this: If you really want to charge back the money, you can't stop you from doing so. But if you do, then please seek professional help at the same time. Because if it comes to a court case, you should at least be able to prove that you are fighting against your addiction. Most people will not stop being addicted to gambling when the money is returned and will not stop gambling. What will you tell a judge (if there is a conviction after all) if you have charged back the money, then gambled it away in parts again, and then charged it back again?

I also don't think that those who want to charge back the money do it for moral reasons, because the banks are so evil or because online gambling is "illegal", but rather out of self-inflicted or illness-induced money shortage in the most understandable case or just out of greed or due to Aluhut - because the casinos manipulate everything anyway but state gambling is so clean

To all those who plan to take the Risk of money back: Please do yourself a favor and also draw further consequences for yourself like actively fighting your addiction. This will help you (if there are consequences in the end) and it can also help you personally. After all, you won't get anything out of the money that you've booked back if it's going to be reinvested in gambling anyway.

Hello Daniel,

i like what you write in the second paragraph very much. Of course, it would be a farce to have the money refunded and then gamble it away again.
The prerequisite should be that you no longer play. A very important aspect!

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8th Sep. 2018, at 05:52 pm CEST#63

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Idiot85 wrote on 08.09.2018 at 17:47: Some people smoke, drink or take drugs.Playing is similar to a junkie waiting full of hope for a picture to then put the next shot. Every addiction ends fatally and as a gamer you don't look like a model because of it. Those who manage to quit completely have a real chance to live a life without addiction and debt. I gamble and I know that it is not good for you in the end. Whether I have reached the 200000 I can not say, but how often I have brought my savings there earlier in Spielos and Co. It was too often. There is nothing worse when the brain and the body are not one, you go like an addicted junkie and hit purely without end until you have nothing more then you get so to speak new substance. Playing makes sick and addicted no matter whether on the stock exchange slots football Scratch cards or anything else and that is so intentional because it suggests the system billions at the expense of us people.

True word, it is exactly the same! Get help and tackle the problem. Sometimes it takes two, three or four attempts, but every attempt is a chance for change and every chance should be taken before it is too late.
You are absolutely right, gambling is also a matter of life or death!

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8th Sep. 2018, at 06:05 pm CEST#64

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Daniel wrote on 08/09/2018 at 17:40

Also, please be careful with statements like this. Of course everyone is responsible for actions in the end and I'm happy for you (if it's true) that you got your Gambling addiction under control or "cured" without outside help. But people are different and just because it worked for you doesn't mean that everyone will succeed with your personal method. Some do succeed with professional help - or at least try to - and there's nothing wrong with that. In the end, the only thing that matters is that you made it, not how. The offer of gambling addiction therapy exists, and if you are addicted to gambling and can't manage on your own, then you should at least try to take advantage of this help.

I see the whole thing like this: If you really want to charge back the money, you can't stop you from doing so. But if you do, then please seek professional help at the same time. Because if it comes to a court case, you should at least be able to prove that you are fighting against your addiction. Most people will not stop being addicted to gambling when the money is returned and will not stop gambling. What do you want to tell a judge (if there is a conviction after all) if you have charged back the money, then gambled it away in parts again, and then charged it back again?

I also don't think that those who want to book back the money do it for moral reasons, because the banks are so evil or because online gambling is "illegal", but rather out of self-inflicted or illness-induced money shortage in the most understandable case or just out of greed or due to Aluhut - because the casinos manipulate everything anyway but state gambling is so clean

To all those who plan to take the Risk of money back: Please do yourself a favor and also draw further consequences for yourself like actively fighting your addiction. This will help you (if there are consequences in the end) and it can also help you personally. After all, you won't get anything out of the money that you've booked back if it's going to be reinvested in gambling anyway.

Thank you Daniel for mentioning something very important... I had a nice talk with a lawyer about this topic and he told me... that the prerequisite for a guaranteed verdict in favor of the player would be the proof that you are doing something against your gambling addiction. It would not be a rarity that exactly this makes the difference between success and failure.

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8th Sep. 2018, at 06:10 pm CEST#65

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What does this have to do with Chemnitz? It has something to do with standing up, denouncing grievances and actively opposing laws (asylum legislation) that are unjust. And to classify online gambling as illegal while the state itself offers it is simply unjust in my eyes. It would be something completely different if gambling were really forbidden. And whether you have to leave your house or not ... don't be ridiculous! As if getting up and going around the corner to the nearest gambling house or gas station would have kept you from gambling your money away. Take personal responsibility and you will be better off. And if you think you can't gamble in a controlled way, just stop gambling completely.

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8th Sep. 2018, at 06:21 pm CEST#66

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Matz777 wrote on 08/09/2018 at 17:43

Hello Manfrede4,

after what you write, I advise you just to read something about the disease. It is very interesting and the Internet is full of it.
Contentwise I would not like to comment on your post out of politeness.
Nevertheless, thank you for the wishes.

Why if something is wrong correct me.You can communicate reasonably with each other.That Gambling addiction can destroy a person I know.But is it gone when they have their money back.Correct me if someone is addicted to gambling he has other problems.And if you do not drangeht to the main problems you do not get the gambling addiction under control.

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8th Sep. 2018, at 06:56 pm CEST#67

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berserkertobi wrote on 08.09.2018 at 18:10: What the whole thing has to do with Chemnitz? It has something to do with standing up, denouncing grievances and when laws (asylum legislation) are wrong, actively opposing them.

Yes no, it is clear

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8th Sep. 2018, at 07:17 pm CEST#68

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berserkertobi wrote on 08.09.2018 at 18:10: What the whole thing has to do with Chemnitz? It has something to do with standing up, denouncing grievances and when laws (asylum legislation) are wrong, actively opposing them. And to classify online gambling as illegal while the state itself offers it is simply unjust in my eyes. It would be something completely different if gambling were really forbidden. And whether you have to leave your house or not ... don't be ridiculous! As if getting up and going around the corner to the nearest gambling house or gas station would have kept you from gambling your money away. Take personal responsibility and you will be better off. And if you think you can't gamble in a controlled way, just stop gambling completely.

The whole thing still has nothing to do with Chemnitz for me, but fine. I would ask you to stay on topic. But I'm definitely with you when you say that online gambling is forbidden and that only the state is allowed to offer gambling is an injustice.

You can also get drunk in state-run casinos and gamble away tens of thousands in one evening - no one is really bothered by that! You can gamble at gas stations and kebab stands with almost no controls. In pubs and bars you can also gamble while drunk. Protection of minors and / or gamblers are missing at gas stations and some restaurants. And that's where most gambling addicts are generated - in pubs, bars, kebab stands, gas stations. These are all places where normal people (including many young people) come into contact with gambling who are not actually interested in gambling.

I am, probably in contrast to you, also against gambling advertising in the mass media or I am against any gambling advertising, where people without actively looking for it, gambling without a comprehensive education are presented. To the gambling advertising ban I say in principle yes but to a state gambling monopoly I say decidedly no!

Online gambling should be regulated and not banned. It is already too late for a ban anyway, because it has simply arrived in the middle of society. If online gambling is banned but the demand is there, then the money will (at least to a large extent), flow into organized crime. They don't care about bans, they don't care about the protection of minors, and they will find ways and means to exploit this market in the Internet age.

If I were a mafiosi, I would be rubbing my hands together right now. Such a big market and then so little competition. Hammer!

I would, for example, found a company that has nothing to do with gambling and process the payments via this company and / or via Bitcoins. The whole thing then with fakeslots - which already exist anyway and then the ruble rolls! About this company I could then possibly also equal to any protection money or drug money launder. An enforced ban would be mafia paradise! Of course, then not quite so many would play online but I think at least 50% of all players would continue to play in the mafia casinos. The other 50% would then distribute themselves to gambling houses or casinos (but rather to gambling houses I guess). Maybe lotto or Scratch cards also get an increase of 0.5%

There would be no GambleJoe anymore (wouldn't be financially viable) and therefore no one to warn people about the mafia casinos. I see this relatively loose. We will build something else then. Since I no longer gamble myself anyway, I see the whole thing even exciting and positive, because then a new phase of life would begin for me. With new challenges, new topics, etc

With what we have built up technically, we will no longer have to gnaw at the hunger box and would certainly be able to survive in other markets. Of course I don't want a ban, because I enjoy GambleJoe and because it is more comfortable for me than to face new tasks (I am only human). But I also see it as wrong that if the state itself operates gambling and wants to get rid of the competition in an anti-competitive way. That's what it's all about in the end and nothing else. And that is just disgusting hypocrisy!

From a player's point of view, the optimal solution would be a good regulation. Everyone would benefit from this: the state (through tax revenues), the players (through better Player protection and regulation) and the gambling providers who are able to compete in a free market. The only ones who would have a losing business would be state gambling operators (especially Lotto) and organized crime. But Lotto will fail in the long run with or without an online gambling ban, because it is simply boring and out of date. Or do they seriously think that a ban will suddenly make everyone play the lottery like crazy? You can only be so naive if you're state-funded and don't have to face any competition.

The following points would spontaneously come to mind for a proper regulation:

1. Ban on gambling outside specialized companies. No more vending machines in pubs, gas stations, kebab stands, etc. If then some bars have to close, then it's just bad luck. If a kebab stand is not viable without Slot machines, then the kebab is no good either. This step alone would prevent so many new cases! That is in my eyes (as a sufferer) the most important step at all!

2. A central - best Europe-wide - blocking system, where players can be blocked either 3 months, 6 months, 12 months, 24 months or against presentation of a psychological certificate for ever. This system would lower the inhibition threshold to get blocked and to work on one's problems. I have talked to many gambling addicts in the Stuttgart casino and most of them do not want to be banned, because in practice a ban is only possible forever.

3. Verification in Online Casinos before you can Deposit for the first time.

4. Advertising ban for games of chance (also Lotto or Aktion Mensch) in mass media.

5. No more limits in gaming arcades. Complete release of the gambling market also for private enterprises. No booking breaks, etc. but connection to a central blocking system

6. Make requirements for licensing more difficult. Gambling house operators / online casino operators, etc. should be checked more strictly before they can obtain a gambling license.

This would cover the grossest. This would greatly minimize the number of new crackers, the German state would have more tax revenue, the protection of minors and players would be guaranteed - much better than it is now - and players could also play in gaming arcades at fair conditions / payout ratios.

All the hullabaloo about booking breaks, player cards, betting restrictions, winnings restrictions have brought nothing, absolutely nothing. The only effect these restrictions have is that the high rollers stay in the state-run casinos and the "rabble" is left to play in casinos under subterranean conditions. Such people are not welcome in casinos as regular guests, because they take the place away from the high rollers. In my opinion, this is the real reason why gambling houses are so limited. Not because of player protection. Because an average earner or 99% of people can ruin themselves in no time even there. Only people with an income of 30,000€ net or more are effectively protected from excessive losses in gaming arcades.

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8th Sep. 2018, at 07:34 pm CEST#69

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Honest and above all sound answer!
This could make all problems a thing of the past!

The only one would be that I would accept a lifetime ban even without a certificate.

Even if that happens in the affect, it is nevertheless in principle an advantage.

People are old enough to be aware of the consequences!

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8th Sep. 2018, at 08:00 pm CEST#70

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stkrie wrote on 08.09.2018 at 19:34: Honest and above all sound answer!
This could make all problems a thing of the past!

The only one would be that I would accept a lifetime ban even without a certificate.

Even if it is done in the heat of the moment, yes it is still basically a benefit.

People are old enough to be aware of the consequences!

Yes, about lifelong ban against presentation of a certificate can be steiten. On Malta (in the landbased casinos) it is so that one can be blocked 6 months, 12 months or forever (against presentation of a certificate). And you really have no possibility to gamble in Malta (except in Online Casinos, which I strongly criticize). No lotto, no betting stores, no casinos, no nothing! You won't find Slot machines outside of licensed companies in Malta either. Player protection in Malta is much better than in Germany - which is actually an indictment for Germany! In Germany, gambling is tolerated with weak player protection, weak protection of minors, because Gauselmann and Novomatic are eagerly lobbying. Here it is always pretended that there is no corruption in Germany and everything is so respectable. Germany is at least as corrupt, if not worse, than Malta.

The only difference is that maybe the petty officials (the ordinary people) in Germany are on average more honest than in Malta. However, at a higher level, Germany is worse in my estimation. I make this last statement not based on facts, but simply on my feeling. So it doesn't have to be true. I'm also too lazy to research now because it's WE and because I promised my girlfriend to go away with her today

In the end, it does not matter. Corruption is everywhere. I'm off for today. A nice Saturday evening to you all

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