Online Casinos in general: Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling (Page 5)

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Matz777 wrote on 08/09/2018 at 16:11: Hi guys,

i have my first consultation with a banking lawyer on Tuesday. I will claim back my gambled stakes from PayPal as well as from my bank and if necessary I will sue for it!
Gambling addiction is a recognized disease and I was not able to control my gambling behavior. Only an inpatient therapy over 16 weeks helped me to get my life back under control to some extent.
I have been "dry" for quite some time now.

I am also ready to make my vita public as a gambler for many years and to go public.
Gambling addiction is and remains a terrible and serious disease. The casinos do not live from "recreational gamblers" and those who can control their gambling. No, they live exclusively from sick gamblers like I unfortunately am. And I really hope that all this crap will finally be banned!

Gambling ruins thousands of livelihoods in Germany alone and anyone who thinks that you just have to stop or that you can control yourself is very much mistaken.
It is absolutely sick and I know what I'm talking about.

In the end I will try everything to get a part of my gambled money refunded
Should I feel sorry for the banks or other payment companies?
Please, this whole thing is being tacitly supported. Why doesn't a bank react if, for example, you make instant transfers to an online casino for several thousand euros in just one day?

I go in any case to the last instance and I can hardly imagine that the banks can use such bad publicity
Whether it takes a few months or a few years, I pull this through with legal help

Greeting,
Matzo

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briniberlin86 wrote on 08/09/2018 at 16:10
Do you think the banks are liable for this? I think not! Let's assume that a direct debit is reversed, the bank would certainly not be liable for the costs incurred, but the seller/provider would have to pay for it.

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Matthias wrote on 08/09/2018 at 11:54 am: Good morning everyone,

i too have seen the TV report and can imagine that this is now going through the media and maybe some really try to repatriate funds.
First of all, I want to apologize right away for possibly writing very emotionally in this post. My gambler and entrepreneur thinking meets a very big conflict here, especially because I have used / lost a lot of money.

What goes through my mind: 5 million Germans gamble regularly, 25% of them in Online Casinos, especially because of all the TV commercials. If now 1.25 million people have deposited money in online casinos - one only 50 euros, the other 1000 euros, some even 10,000 euros, or even much more... (seen over the last few years)
And now all come on the idea to reclaim the money, which they have directed SELF...
The damage to the banks would be so immense that it would be crazy to think that this would work with a "I'll go to the bank and have my bets booked back". 1.25 million players who deposited on average 1000€ -> 1.250.000.000 Euro damage (1.25 billion Euro) - I think the damage is even much higher... I don't know, maybe I really lack the brainpower to imagine what would happen then.

The fact is, you do not harm the online casinos, but almost exclusively the banks in Germany, which are already struggling under the low interest rate policy.
The online casinos have already received the money and do not have to pay it back!
I would before such an attempt first withdraw all savings and check whether any loans are still running. Everyone knows that banks are greedy, and as soon as you deprive the banks of their money, they will certainly not be squeamish to "hit back"

My view as a bank:
As a bank, I would really punch any customer who subsequently "stole" money from me that I had forwarded for them as a payment processor.
I would 1. delay the matter as long as possible, go to court and fight to the end and if I really have to pay, cancel all loans to the customer. Because who wants to do business with such a customer? Furthermore, I would pass on the information that the customer has deceived me to all banks (to the competition), so that this customer is not classified as creditworthy again in his life. I.e. all plans for the future, building society contracts, house financing, etc. would all be on the line, and the life of a person is usually relatively long and the demands and plans change sometimes...

My view as a player:
I would keep an eye on the matter, seriously think about it and calculate whether I really have the balls in the pants - and whether it is worth it for the money to slam my house bank a letter on the table "I want my money back" (so easy it will certainly not)
Honestly, my economic thinking comes up again and I remember what I wrote above at "My view as a bank". You deliberately cause harm to someone else (even if it's a shitty bank), even though you are responsible for it yourself.
So for me, at this point, it becomes really difficult to think clearly and only from a player's perspective.
I started from scratch, my parents were never wealthy, and I started my own business after my education. I was always responsible for everything myself, never dependent on others.
I also took out loans, once had problems paying the tax office, worked more and more for it, and to this day I am paying off my mistakes from the past.
If I could book back all the stakes I ever deposited in casinos... I would be rich. Just remember that I also paid out money (so I get to keep that??) So I am enriching myself by taking back the stakes but keeping the wins? /Irony to "What a cool principle! I think this is the solution to all problems" /irony off

If it really all worked out that way, I would be uncreditworthy with all banks in Germany for the rest of my life, but I would have paid off my debts and could finance a nice house. Oh well, I don't get a loan for the house financing, well maybe the money is enough for a two-room apartment in Berlin.
There I live then, happily, without debts in my paid off apartment. The only problem is that I might not even have a bank account anymore, although digital payment or cash abolition will probably be the future. And it would probably always be with the fear in the neck that you can't even get a cell phone contract anymore, because the future of the banks probably looks more and more networked
And the banks don't forget anything. I don't think you can think the whole thing through to the end, and as long as you're not 100% aware of all the consequences, you shouldn't be fighting over money.
But what I forgot: Charging the money back, in NO WAY solves the Gambling addiction problem. Even if it works, you have money in your account, which will then end up in the state casinos the next time you have an addiction attack. What has one then been able to do? Bank account gone, credit rating in the bucket, addiction not treated and money again futsch.
I will continue to monitor the issue and first see how this develops and what consequences the people who try this have to bear before I make any promises such as "Yes, go ahead, get the money back"... To advise others ignorantly (without their own experience) and possibly trigger massive problems is not my thing.

Oh guys and gals, I think many can't relate to my view of things. Probably many think only of the moment "but now I absolutely need the 3000 euros that I lost because I have to pay my rent". I can understand all of this, thought in the short term... But who really has this intention, should in my eyes first really urgently to the addiction counseling center, or to the psychotherapist, to talk about the problems. Perhaps he can then also give a recommendation, what you can do against it, so as not to throw the possibly reversed money back into the machine.

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Matz777 wrote on 08/09/2018 at 16:35
Hi Random,

no, I am not looking for someone to blame, as it is not about blame in any way.

Your explanations in all honor but I have dealt so intensively with the disease of Gambling addiction over several decades that I do not need teachings, tips, etc.. Not even if they are meant nicely.

I am completely ruined financially and if there is a possibility to get my gambled money refunded, because banks and payment providers indirectly support illegal gambling, then I will take it!


And I really hope that I will not be the only one who goes this way

Greetings,
Matze

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Matz777 wrote on 08/09/2018 at 16:42: Hello Matthias,

You forgot one thing in your very interesting statement. It is and remains illegal to play in Germany!!!

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