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8th Sep. 2018, at 12:32 pm CEST#11
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Kopfkino wrote on 08.09.2018 at 12:27 pm: I think rather that it is gray area. I think in the Plusminus article it's not even true. The whole story there stinks.
There is even a Trump here in the forum,
all Fake News hahahaha
Menno now I get already head cinema
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8th Sep. 2018, at 12:47 pm CEST#12
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I, for example, am with Sparda-Bank, and I have had payments rejected at certain casinos
rejected. Banks are very capable of not doing an instant transfer. But
it is probably a profitable business
Moreover, there can be no Schufaeintrag for it, because the bank has participated in a crime.
Against such a one can proceed without larger problems, if it should really happen
should happen. Also a notice of the bank, or to existing savings potential to approach, is nonsense.
It is laid down by law that financial service providers may not, of course, participate in criminal acts
may cooperate. A bank can, as written above, payments to such "service providers"
prevent. The technical equipment for such a thing is a cinch!
I think the banks take that back from the casinos. By prohibiting the participation
in criminal acts, the financial service providers are more likely to have the casinos in their hands than vice versa.
From there I think that they get it refunded by the casinos, since they would probably
otherwise threaten with the discontinuation of this payment method. A guess on my part.
Especially since it is the same with banks as with PayPal, they
do not get the neck full. Rather they participate in such things and collect fees,
and take it for granted that people will charge their money back
Here we go again. Does a bank need that? No, but as usual, everyone can't get enough of it!
Why do you think banks take it relatively easy when you tell them you're gambling online?
At that very moment, the bank is aware that it has participated in such payments, whether directly or indirectly
and then they quickly say, it's okay. Why is the customer not
warned that such activities are prohibited? I have never heard of a bank!
In a point I agree with you, one does not know how it is reacted, if that happens in masses
happens. Nor do we know how the judiciary will react if this happens in large numbers
happens
I have never charged back in my career. I have stopped. In this case, I agree with him.
I myself had a case where my bank reversed an instant transfer for lack of funds
For lack of funds. It just barely overlapped with another debit.
I never got a request to pay this money. Was since then of course
blocked at Sofortüberweisung. In the casino as well. There they told me in the chat that I must first transfer the sum X
must transfer, before my account is unlocked again. Whether now the bank was faster, and the
Sofortüberweisung still stopped in time, or whether they have recovered it from the casino, I can not say
i can not say of course. I personally assume the latter.
But as I've written before, that's what happens when I'm telling people from front to back
with the Bonus terms and conditions and the regular terms and conditions. I should not be surprised.
@head cinema
Sure, they do zero research, and just make such a post out of it
that with the back posting makes already longer the round, that is nothing new.
fees from crimes, yes of course.
does not quite fit into your world view
Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling
8th Sep. 2018, at 12:51 pm CEST#13
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Most of the time, it gets interesting when the media takes on this topic. We saw with the Paradise Papers what kind of waves it made. It remains to be seen what will follow.
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8th Sep. 2018, at 12:52 pm CEST#14
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The next completely pointless documentary. Unfortunately, all we have to put up with on TV is half-baked crap......
When will these idiots finally understand that bans are useless? In Thailand, gambling is completely banned and yet people gamble and bet on every street corner. During Prohibition in the United States, people also drank without end. There will always be drugs, alcohol, gambling, hookers, etc. Much of our future will be online. We shop online, stay in touch with friends from all over the world through social networks, etc.... Gambling will also take place online in the future...... These intellectual low flyers from the article will only prevent this by exterminating the entire human race. But perhaps this plan seems even more realistic to these people than finally making a fair and clean regulation:
- Limit gambling losses
- Uniform blocking options for addicts. Currently an addict gets himself blocked at casino X and then plays at Y.
- Monitor providers very strictly by the state and take direct tough action against violations of Player protection, etc
etc.
The current situation sucks for everyone. The state has no tax revenue, gambling addicts cannot be blocked globally, online casino providers have no legal security and operate from abroad etc.
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8th Sep. 2018, at 12:56 pm CEST#15
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I understood correctly.If I gamble at home 100000 euros is dangerous.Then I should better go to the casino and gamble my money there.With fancy suit of course.If I follow this logic it would have to be banned from tomorrow to buy alcohol.It's better if I get drunk in the pub than at home.At home is easier because I only need to go to the fridge.
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8th Sep. 2018, at 01:08 pm CEST#16
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It would be so easy if at least the state casinos in Germany would go online and gambling would then be allowed there.
That way, the state casinos here would have no loss and gambling would be legal for German players. There would be taxes for the state as well, legally everyone would be secured.
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8th Sep. 2018, at 01:37 pm CEST#17
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The banks will never accept that they should now be the bogeyman for the bad policy since 2011. That was when the State Treaty on Gaming, including the state monopoly, was overturned for the first time by the European Court of Justice. Since then, nothing has been done by our government, as in many other areas, of course. So if it really is the case that credit institutions are now being held hostage, they will in turn sue the Federal Republic of Germany for damages. Rightly so! And will pay at the end of the whole Sch*** once again more the taxpayer...
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8th Sep. 2018, at 01:39 pm CEST#18
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Broken world really we players are always screwed anyway.:). Msl see what still comes
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8th Sep. 2018, at 01:41 pm CEST#19
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They cannot sue the FRG. The gambling law prohibits them from participating.
Suing the state is nonsense.
Whether the federal government will have to bail out a bank at some point is another matter.
But I think the defaults on bad loans will always be many times higher than
the chargeback of X people. The few bucks don't matter to the bank.
Unless they can collect it from the casinos anyway with the simultaneous threat,
to stop all transactions from gambling.
Then everything can be slowly closed down.
as a well-known banker once said: peantus.
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8th Sep. 2018, at 01:45 pm CEST#20
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Well, the banks could of course also say to the customer: If you now demand your money back from us, then we will report you to the prosecutor's office for illegal gambling in online casinos. I believe that in this country you can be imprisoned for up to 1 year.
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There is even a Trump here in the forum,
all Fake News hahahaha
Menno now I get already head cinema
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rejected. Banks are very capable of not doing an instant transfer. But
it is probably a profitable business
Moreover, there can be no Schufaeintrag for it, because the bank has participated in a crime.
Against such a one can proceed without larger problems, if it should really happen
should happen. Also a notice of the bank, or to existing savings potential to approach, is nonsense.
It is laid down by law that financial service providers may not, of course, participate in criminal acts
may cooperate. A bank can, as written above, payments to such "service providers"
prevent. The technical equipment for such a thing is a cinch!
I think the banks take that back from the casinos. By prohibiting the participation
in criminal acts, the financial service providers are more likely to have the casinos in their hands than vice versa.
From there I think that they get it refunded by the casinos, since they would probably
otherwise threaten with the discontinuation of this payment method. A guess on my part.
Especially since it is the same with banks as with PayPal, they
do not get the neck full. Rather they participate in such things and collect fees,
and take it for granted that people will charge their money back
Here we go again. Does a bank need that? No, but as usual, everyone can't get enough of it!
Why do you think banks take it relatively easy when you tell them you're gambling online?
At that very moment, the bank is aware that it has participated in such payments, whether directly or indirectly
and then they quickly say, it's okay. Why is the customer not
warned that such activities are prohibited? I have never heard of a bank!
In a point I agree with you, one does not know how it is reacted, if that happens in masses
happens. Nor do we know how the judiciary will react if this happens in large numbers
happens
I have never charged back in my career. I have stopped. In this case, I agree with him.
I myself had a case where my bank reversed an instant transfer for lack of funds
For lack of funds. It just barely overlapped with another debit.
I never got a request to pay this money. Was since then of course
blocked at Sofortüberweisung. In the casino as well. There they told me in the chat that I must first transfer the sum X
must transfer, before my account is unlocked again. Whether now the bank was faster, and the
Sofortüberweisung still stopped in time, or whether they have recovered it from the casino, I can not say
i can not say of course. I personally assume the latter.
But as I've written before, that's what happens when I'm telling people from front to back
with the Bonus terms and conditions and the regular terms and conditions. I should not be surprised.
@head cinema
Sure, they do zero research, and just make such a post out of it
that with the back posting makes already longer the round, that is nothing new.
fees from crimes, yes of course.
does not quite fit into your world view
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When will these idiots finally understand that bans are useless? In Thailand, gambling is completely banned and yet people gamble and bet on every street corner. During Prohibition in the United States, people also drank without end. There will always be drugs, alcohol, gambling, hookers, etc. Much of our future will be online. We shop online, stay in touch with friends from all over the world through social networks, etc.... Gambling will also take place online in the future...... These intellectual low flyers from the article will only prevent this by exterminating the entire human race. But perhaps this plan seems even more realistic to these people than finally making a fair and clean regulation:
- Limit gambling losses
- Uniform blocking options for addicts. Currently an addict gets himself blocked at casino X and then plays at Y.
- Monitor providers very strictly by the state and take direct tough action against violations of Player protection, etc
etc.
The current situation sucks for everyone. The state has no tax revenue, gambling addicts cannot be blocked globally, online casino providers have no legal security and operate from abroad etc.
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That way, the state casinos here would have no loss and gambling would be legal for German players. There would be taxes for the state as well, legally everyone would be secured.
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Suing the state is nonsense.
Whether the federal government will have to bail out a bank at some point is another matter.
But I think the defaults on bad loans will always be many times higher than
the chargeback of X people. The few bucks don't matter to the bank.
Unless they can collect it from the casinos anyway with the simultaneous threat,
to stop all transactions from gambling.
Then everything can be slowly closed down.
as a well-known banker once said: peantus.
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