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Online Casinos in general: Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling (Page 12)

Topic created on 08th Sep. 2018 | Page: 12 of 25 | Answers: 248 | Views: 122,211
G****e

Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling

13th Dec. 2018, at 07:06 pm CET#111
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Do you think the bank will charge back from Trustly and sofortüberweisung?

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G****e

Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling

13th Dec. 2018, at 07:09 pm CET#112
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There is an application to this lawyer lenne. Of course I don't know if it's worth it, because you have to write down all bookings. Could not find until now's about whether it has ever managed to book back. With PayPal is clear you can do in online banking yes

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b****r

Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling

14th Dec. 2018, at 05:21 am CET#113
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Crypto
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Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling

14th Dec. 2018, at 08:31 am CET#114
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@bonusabuser: So to understand the credibility of the video, you have to look at the other videos on the channel, for example, on the subject of lottery. So what more hair-raising I have rarely seen. How do you find something like that?

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Ichbins2018
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Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling

14th Dec. 2018, at 12:54 pm CET#115
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Falko wrote on 13.12.2018 at 18:19: But why can't PayPal just take the buyer protection completely out at Online Casinos,so that just no one has the possibility to book his money back ?

Why that does not work @Falko ?

§ 4 exp. 1 sentence 2 GlüStV
so, even if the license-less ones are of the opinion that they can carry the on-line gambling after European right to Germany,
the banks also violate valid German law.
The online casinos of course also, if they have then no licenses for the German market have...but the will have yes not only Steuerlichen gründen,
why they are far away.

Organizing and brokering without this permission (unauthorized gambling) as well as participating in payments in connection with unauthorized gambling are prohibited.

 And this is exactly why chargebacks in connection with unauthorized gambling are very successful,
With or without a lawyer...every payment service Provider draws the short straw, claims from unauthorized gambling are not enforceable.

But the topic is anyway GsD soon history

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Daniel
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Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling

14th Dec. 2018, at 03:07 pm CET#116
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Ichbins2018 wrote on 12/14/2018 at 12:54 pm: But the topic is GsD soon history anyway

What do you think will happen if a ban on online gambling would be practically enforced? We live in an age where authoritarian people are losing their power more and more. Basically, you can hardly ban anything that people want anymore.


There is a big market, people want to gamble online. Which is perfectly legitimate, since every free person should be allowed to decide for himself what he does with his money - as long as you don't harm other people with it. These conditions are met with online gambling or gambling in general.

Question: What will happen if German banks are no longer allowed to process payments for online gambling?

Answer: Players will create online accounts abroad: Bunq, Revolut, Monese, Leopay, etc. and play via these accounts. I can recommend that by the way genrell to get such Zockerkonten abroad, because this firstly a better self-control / money management allows and secondly you might not get other disadvantages at German banks (loans, etc.). I personally can highly recommend LeoPay and Bunq for online gambling.

Question: What happens if the reputable online gambling providers with EU gambling license have to withdraw from the German market (in practice)?

Answer: Organized crime is already eagerly awaiting this day. It will be quiet for a few months or 1-2 years at most and then people will open Online Casinos (which will also be good) that you really don't want to support, including human traff**kers or other serious criminals. People will gamble anyway. 25% of people may stop gambling or gamble in gambling houses or casinos but at least 75% will continue to gamble online in the long run. And even if all this would not be done through banks, there are still Bitcoins or other cryptocurrencies in this day and age. Fake slots aren't getting any worse either. in 2014, these were still games that you couldn't play, but now you can only distinguish fake slots from the originals with technical know-how.

I understand the people (mostly pathological gamblers who suffer from their addiction) who are on the side of politics and demand bans. I used to call for bans too and I can understand all that. Thinking deeper about it, however, it was a very stupid and dull thought of mine. But that doesn't matter, to err is human and the head is round, so that thoughts can turn and attitudes change.

The fact is: bans are practically unenforceable in the digital age, for digital products. You can only regulate - but you have to regulate properly.

1. Central blocking file: Gamblers who notice that they are addicted to gambling should be given the opportunity to be blocked for 6 months, 1 year, 2 years or forever (preferably Europe-wide). Possibly even with the possibility to be blocked only for certain Games of chance such as lottery, casino, Table games, Bingo or sports betting.

2. Verification before the first Deposit using Face ID and ID card. Login possibly only with SMS-Tan.

3. Gambling machines out of pubs, gas stations, etc. but give private companies the opportunity to get licenses for land-based casinos. Real casinos with a decent payout ratio and not some Gauselmann or Novomatic monopoly stuff in the form of today's arcades. The operators of such private casinos would of course also have to meet certain requirements, so that not like today, every petty criminal can open a gambling house or a real casino.

Actually, these are already the most important key points, which make up a good regulation (in terms of player protection). Advantage for the state: It can collect protection money (taxes), from the gambling companies, which would then need a license in Germany. Forcing people to use the state gambling products is dictatorial and authoritarian, as well as criminal, and will not work in the long run either way. The state is the biggest criminal but it is not the best and the mafia will bring better products to the market in the long run.

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Anonym

Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling

14th Dec. 2018, at 04:23 pm CET#117
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Daniel wrote on 12/14/2018 at 3:07 PM


A big market is there, people now want to gamble online. Which is also completely legitimate, since every free person should be allowed to decide for himself what he does with his money - as long as you don't harm other people with it. These conditions are met with online gambling or gambling in general.


I don't really know....because: How free is a person in his decision who in a fever 10k (which he actually does not own) in a few hours online blows?

And as soon as an addict (in better circles also called a passionate gambler....) Makes debts with his financial institution, which he actually can not repay, he already harms someone - namely the owner of the financial institution.

And another thing: How sure can you be as a consumer that the current reputable online gambling providers with EU gambling license is not yet integrated with organized crime... ??

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termito78
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Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling

14th Dec. 2018, at 04:33 pm CET#118
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So if I understand correctly, you could theoretically every time you Deposit from Germany in an OC via PayPal, Trustly etc. his money back and would be in the right? That would then happen much more often? Sounds too simple to me.

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Anonym

Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling

14th Dec. 2018, at 04:34 pm CET#119
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Cryptique wrote on 12/14/2018 at 4:23 PM

As a consumer, how sure can you actually be that with the current reputable online gambling providers with EU gambling license, organized crime is not yet integrated with them... ??

you can be very sure that the mafia is cashing in.

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Daniel
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Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling

14th Dec. 2018, at 05:02 pm CET#120
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Cryptique wrote on 12/14/2018 at 4:23 PM


I don't really know....because: How free is a person in his decision who in a fever blows 10k (which he actually doesn't own) in a few hours online?

And as soon as an addict (in better circles also called a passionate gambler....) Makes debts with his financial institution, which he actually can not repay, he already harms someone - namely the owner of the financial institution.

There are not only gambling addicts. There are always people who, for various reasons, cannot handle money and incur debts. It is the bank's job to find out which customers are creditworthy and which are not. Most people are already free in their decisions. And I don't know anyone who blew 10K in a few hours - so no one who earns average. But I do know some who regularly gamble away 1,000€ monthly net at gas stations or gambling houses. Even if one earns 10K, one can get through 10K also in gambling houses. Not in a few hours but in a few days. Ultimately, the end result is the same. I know people from gambling house days who make around 7K and were broke every month. So it's not that you can't take a loss in gambling houses - as it is always suggested. And in gambling houses / gastro machines you can not get locked. Well, in Online Casinos, the practice of blocking is currently also pointless, but from there should be a regulation, which properly regulates and organizes this. And for this one would have to legalize and not prohibit!


People make wrong decisions and you can not prevent everything, because otherwise you would really have to ban everything. Some people invest their money in risky stocks and lose a lot of money there. You also can't talk about "fever" when a person applies for a loan to gamble it away. I mean in addition one must proceed yes planful and with foresight, has time over it to think, etc..

If it is well regulated and you can exclude yourself from gambling (by that I mean really exclude, central, without ifs and buts), then everyone is ultimately responsible for what they do. If someone is addicted to gambling, then he can f**k up once and then get locked out.

Banning gambling does not help or makes worse exactly what it is supposed to improve. Organized crime does not care about the protection of minors, gamblers, etc.


And one more thing: As a consumer, how sure can you be that the current reputable online gambling providers with EU gambling licenses have not yet integrated organized crime...?

It is already taken care of, believe me! The bureaucracy is, as far as financial services of all kinds are concerned, much worse in Malta - especially for foreigners. I speak from experience. To get a bank account here, you really have to undress completely and have your popoloch x-rayed. So it is already looked there that organized crime is not integrated there.


Nevertheless, there will always be individual cases. You simply can't prevent something like that 100%. The world is not 100% safe, if you want 100% safety, you have to lock yourself in a white room. Let's put it this way: if you go out for a pizza at an Italian restaurant, there is a higher chance that the restaurant you visit is laundering money than an online casino within the EU is. It is also more likely that gambling house owner Ali from Neuköln is money laundering with his gambling house than an online casino in Malta is. And also casinos (thanks to cash transactions) could be abused for money laundering in my opinion rather than online casinos within the EU.


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