Online Casinos in general: Reportage - Online casinos: Money back from illegal gambling (Page 11)

sippi wrote on 12/13/2018 at 2:45 pm: Exactly. Wonder if if people had won they would have returned the win and claimed their bet back, after all casinos are illegal. Morality and all that...

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Ronny1982 wrote on 13.12.2018 at 13:56: Just times to the people who like to book back funds when they have lost...that will also be a reason why PayPal zb. withdraws on gambling. These Kloppis the funds back book shovel themselves so to speak actually their own grave (or that for us all). Because at some point there will be no more Dienstliester who want to do that to themselves...

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SevenEleven wrote on 12/13/2018 at 2:55 PM


Maybe/probably PayPal will now be slain with chargebacks en masse - from all the short-term thinking (highly unsympathetic to me) contemporaries who think to themselves "ooooch, I'll now simply book back my previous stakes from PayPal. It doesn't matter that they block me, because after all I can't gamble with them anymore anyway"

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Ichbins2018 wrote on 07/12/2018 at 15:23: Gamble Joe times outside...the guys do really very good work.
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Daniel wrote on 12/13/2018 at 5:25 pm
You're acting like it's hidden somewhere on our site, while you can see it clearly in the footer on every single subpage. This notice is just mandatory. I personally think absolutely nothing of bans: No matter if it is about drugs or gambling. If I want to consume something as an adult, then I will do so anyway. In my opinion, Player protection in Germany (not only online gambling, but also the gaming arcade sector, which is much more unregulated and worse in terms of player protection) is completely forn A... and lags miles behind other, actually "unserious" countries, such as Malta (as far as the offline sector is concerned).


Of course, Germany should NOT ban, but regulate properly(!). Say central blocking file, Verification before initial Deposit and more. Bans ultimately only bring something to organized crime. Substances that are highly addictive should generally be better regulated and the people (who want and need it!) should be protected. Also alcohol and tobacco, which are hard drugs, should not be allowed to be sold in every store, but only in specialized stores where you can also exclude / lock

I personally am glad that I became a gambler and not an alcoholic! I know or knew an alcoholic, knew because he recently died of it in his 30s. The online gambling sector is only thematized, moralized and bans are demanded because there are conflicts of interest between the state and private providers. It is not about pathological gamblers in the slightest. If you don't like mendacity and hypocrisy, then you should think about it with an open mind.

About the chargebacks:

The whole discussion reminds me of a player who had massive problems (took out a loan to be able to play and thus 35,000€ in debt). We had a good contact and I really felt sorry for him. Actually I should not have done it but I gave him a Tip with a lawyer who could advise him on PayPal chargebacks. At that time (it was a long time ago) he had booked back a total of about 50,000€ and that was more than he had lost in online casinos. All deposits were reversed (he has also paid out from time to time - so he got back more than he had lost).

He p**sed himself afterwards where the money was in his account: "Is there a repercussion? Do I have to go to jail? ... ". I calmed him down and he told me he would never gamble again. No online casino, no casino (he hardly ever gambled at a casino).

I also talked to him on the phone and I was 100% convinced: the man will never gamble again!

... what do you think happened?

About 10 days later he gambled again and three weeks later(!) all the money was gone. Among other things, he gambled away 20,000€ on one evening in the casino (that was his first gambling evening, after the abstinence) - as much as never before on one evening. Online he has ultimately also gambled away a good 10 - 15K again.

Everyone can do what they want, I don't want to discourage anyone who might be able to save their financial life, but please do me a favor:

1. It might be possible that such a thing could have legal consequences, especially if you have not taken any further steps after the chargebacks to prove that you have really worked on yourself. Therefore, please seek help at the same time or even before! Then tackle the matter seriously. One finds places which can help one locally bspw. here: http://www.gluecksspielsucht.de/adr/index.php

2. Do not try to justify yourselves that you are morally in the right, because some corrupt state like Germany would like to maintain its gambling monopoly, prohibitions against on-line gambling demands, although one can gamble country widely around the clock everywhere "100% legally" house and yard. Please don't pretend that you wouldn't have the problems if there were no evil online casinos. If there were no OC's, then in the most cases and in the same amount would have been gambled elsewhere. This perception of what many have really bothers me.

If I was extremely in the shit because of gambling (and this has happened to me several times in the past), then I would also think about charging back funds but I would not morally justify it but stand by the fact that I screwed up and that I am actually not in the right but took advantage of the current legal possibilities. I would even go further and be happy that there would be online gambling, then without online gambling I would not have been able to withdraw my money, but I would still have gambled it away "legally" in gambling houses or casinos with a very high probability.

I would then also really look that I make an official and verifiable Gambling addiction therapy, because I would not be sure whether this could not have negative consequences (legal or financial nature) for me in the future - even a lawyer can be wrong. If the chargebacks could at some point have legal or financial consequences (e.g. at other banks or credit institutions), then I would be in a much better position with proof of gambling addiction therapy than if I had still visited casinos or continued to gamble in Online Casinos with the chargebacked money. Even casino visits are registered and can be proven. For German courts, this is much more verifiable than if you play in online casinos with PSC and Neteller or via a bank abroad (Revolut, Monese, etc.).

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Falko wrote on 13.12.2018 at 18:19: But why can't PayPal just take the buyer protection completely out at Online Casinos, so that just no one has the opportunity to book his money back? If you pay by Trustly, Sofort and so on, you can not get his money back. Paypal would have simply had to rewrite its terms of contract and then they could have continued to stay in the online casinos. I finds a pity that there is Paypal as a means of payment soon no more.

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Falko wrote on 13.12.2018 at 18:19: But why can't PayPal just take the buyer protection completely out at Online Casinos, so that just no one has the opportunity to book his money back? If you pay by Trustly, Sofort and so on, you can not get his money back. Paypal would have simply had to rewrite its terms of contract and then they could have continued to stay in the online casinos. I finds a pity that there is Paypal as a means of payment soon no more.

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