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Online Casinos in general: Question - Who decides on wins? Casino or game provider? (Page 2)

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Makbarbrother
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Question - Who decides on wins? Casino or game provider?

10th Dec. 2021, at 02:14 am CET#11
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Julian wrote on 09/12/2021 at 23:51
But what would it do for the casinos to make you lose permanently?
Every casino knows that only happy customers are good customers.

The more unhappy the player, the higher the Risk that he runs to the competition to Deposit his money there.
The happier the player, and the greater the successes / wins of the player, the more money he will ultimately leave permanently in this casino.

And it is a fact that the casinos do not feed on "mayflies", but on regular players who come back again and again.
By the RTP (publicly visible) is provided by the Provider, the players lose mathematically seen anyway in the long run.
Why should they then lower the whole thing even further, with the risk of losing their regular customers?

Do you really think that you would have gotten better free spins at another casino?

I have to disagree with that. Most gamblers, including myself, continue to play, regardless of whether they lose or not. Then vllt times in between a few days break is made paired with the superstition "Bit cooling phase, then runs it certainly again" and further in the context
At some point it might be too much for you and you block yourself etc.
But in this period, they have already earned enough from you and there is again a new stupid with which you can pull the game, until it is also enough again, until another new comes etc. etc.... Never ending Story. And that runs parallel to each other, not only when one fool has locked the next.

There is no one who locks after 2-3 times loss directly somewhere. At least the majority does not. And most of the larger casino groups have hundreds of thousands or millions of active players, they don't care if 5% of them log off early

Besides, this is exactly the entrance into the vicious circle of Gambling addiction: Wanting to recoup your losses from the last 2-3 times. That's how the shit starts. So it is even more cunning to rip off the players.
If one would win now from 3 deposits 3 times fat one could think to oneself rather "Ok correctly now I have 10k together, is enough now, so this will not go on forever."
Provided, of course, one is NOT yet in the spiral inside and can still think realistically and clearly.

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moralischverwerflich
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Question - Who decides on wins? Casino or game provider?

10th Dec. 2021, at 07:39 am CET#12
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I think actually also that both sides can have the influence on the win. But on the other hand must also say, why should the casino you first nen win in the slot play and in the end is, as you often hear, the payout denied delayed and blah blah blah .... That makes then again no sense... The Provider of the slot gets his user fee, no matter how much you win or lose, so also makes no sense whether he can decide person-related.
No matter in which direction you think who decides how where, there are always pros and cons for each side. In the end an endless discussion round which only an insider could clear up.
My personal opinion is in any case, that already when logging in and opening the game, the decision is whether you win or not. That's why I often go in and out of the same game, if after 50 to a maximum of 100 spins nothing reasonable came. I usually do well with that.

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Eddie
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Question - Who decides on wins? Casino or game provider?

10th Dec. 2021, at 08:22 am CET#13
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I have always been of the opinion that it is due to the deposit. Each casino knows exactly how the player ticks. What amount does he Deposit monthly, 50€ a day 100€,1000€, whatever. And that players who deposit monthly 5000€, at the end of the day get back more than someone who deposits only 100€ is not only because of the number of spins. It is simply a business where a lot of money is made. And where so much money is involved, luck has no place. And the contract between Provider and casino is not signed with luck or bad luck.😉

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Julian
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Question - Who decides on wins? Casino or game provider?

10th Dec. 2021, at 09:00 am CET#14
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Makbarbrother wrote on 10/12/2021 at 02:14 PM
I have to disagree with that conditionally. So most gamblers, including me buttern nevertheless further purely, no matter whether one loses or not. Then vllt times in between a few days break made paired with the superstition "bit cooling phase, then runs it certainly again" and further in the context
At some point it might be too much for you and you block yourself etc.
But in this period they have already earned enough from you and there is again a new stupid with whom you can pull the game, until it is also enough again, until another new comes etc. etc.... Never ending Story. And that runs parallel to each other, not only when one fool has locked the next.

There is no one who locks after 2-3 times loss directly somewhere. At least not the majority.

Of course not, that was not my statement.
My statement referred to the fact that the Risk is high that you drive unhappy players into the hands of the competition and the casinos lose their players, if they would start to manipulate something.

The majority of players are registered not only in one online casino, but in several.
Therefore, casinos try to stand out from the competition as much as possible by making their offers as attractive as possible.

At least in my eyes, it would make no sense to manipulate something there, rather the opposite, it is in the long run even much better for the casino if the players also bring in wins.

Besides, this is exactly the entrance into the vicious circle of Gambling addiction: To want to recover your losses from the last 2-3 times. That's how the shit starts. So it is even more cunning to rip off the players.

Of course, I agree with you... that is the vicious circle for many players, in that they always compulsively try to get their losses back.
But you get into this vicious circle even with a 96% payout ratio, for this "magic" the casinos do not need to crank up the payout ratio. This is simple mathematics with which the casinos automatically have a house advantage.

If you would now win 3 times fat from 3 deposits you could think to yourself "Ok correct now I have 10k together, enough now, so this will not go on forever."

Provided of course you are NOT yet in the spiral and can still think realistically and clearly.

But the reality is that most players would probably call this a "lucky streak" psychologically, which means they will usually Deposit a 4th and 10th time to "take advantage" of it.




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Anonym

Question - Who decides on wins? Casino or game provider?

10th Dec. 2021, at 12:22 pm CET#15
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Ok, thanks for the clarification.


Played a few days ago. briefly played 60 different games ( different game providers)

Always only 2 Scatters came up and lousy mini wins of max 2 euros.

I think the luck / bad luck is only that the casino lets you win / does not let toor you have bad luck and the casino says, customer anyway
wins today nothing or longer time nothing.


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Makbarbrother
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Question - Who decides on wins? Casino or game provider?

10th Dec. 2021, at 11:55 pm CET#16
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Julian wrote on 10.12.2021 at 09:00
But the reality is now unfortunately that most players would probably call this psychologically rather than "lucky streak", whereby they will also usually Deposit a 4th and 10th time to "take advantage".





So to your complete post, yes sure, from a psychological point of view it is almost irrelevant whether you lose or win. In both cases you find "reasons" to continue gambling.

But I only referred to the point of you what an OC would have to manipulate, because it would make no sense to exclude the customer, but would like to keep him with a positive gaming experience.
But I also see the possibility that you can keep someone on the ball by ripping them off. See example addiction cycle...

I think no one, except the one who is really deep in it, can actually "uncover" everything. But, that it is going on dubiously is beyond question. See the experiences that almost everyone has already had here, Big win paid off and then suddenly it runs for months only strikingly bad. I have also experienced this. And there are several other examples...

But well, either you get involved with the devil or stay away from it. But you can still share your point of view. Only times so generally said.

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Ichbins2018
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Question - Who decides on wins? Casino or game provider?

11th Dec. 2021, at 09:07 am CET#17
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elmo61 wrote on 09/12/2021 at 14:48: Hi!

Would have liked to know who decides on the wins whether you lose or win?

That's not easy to answer,

However, the fact is that Online Casinos leave nothing to chance and, for example, with a CRM software monitor their most important asset: their customers.

Otherwise simply times "turnkey online casino open" Googlen...
or - Attract new players to an online casino
the 7 most elective methods.
(Found/read in a blog of an online casino software Provider!)

In fact, it's all about making you want to play, making you think you can "win" and then fleecing you like a Christmas goose.

Useful is your greed, but also that many people no longer know what to do with themselves-
and "they" take advantage of that
However, the other side are smarter, they know at least how to make money!

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Falke
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Question - Who decides on wins? Casino or game provider?

11th Dec. 2021, at 01:59 pm CET#18
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Julian wrote on 09/12/2021 at 23:51
But what would it do for the casinos to make you lose permanently?
Every casino knows that only happy customers are good customers.


So you can't be serious about that. Now regardless of the slots themselves, you should know that there are so many casinos that are anything but customer oriented.
Delays in withdrawals, bonus traps, Verification chicanery, etc.
Many casinos do almost everything to scare away the players. Logic and sense behind it I also see no, but it is now a fact that many casinos have exactly such methods as a business model.

There may be many good arguments, but this is certainly not one. On the contrary, reality shows that it is exactly the opposite. If every casino would know that only happy customers are good customers then there would not be all these chicaneries

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WithoutWings
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Question - Who decides on wins? Casino or game provider?

11th Dec. 2021, at 06:09 pm CET#19
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Eddie wrote on 10.12.2021 at 08:22: I have always been of the opinion that it is the deposit. Every casino knows exactly how the player ticks. What amount does he Deposit monthly, 50€ a day 100€,1000€, whatever. And that players who deposit monthly 5000€, at the end of the day get back more than someone who deposits only 100€ is not only because of the number of spins. It is simply a business where a lot of money is made. And where so much money is involved, luck has no place. And the contract between Provider and casino is not signed with luck or bad luck.😉

👍👍

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CashOut
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Question - Who decides on wins? Casino or game provider?

11th Dec. 2021, at 06:51 pm CET#20
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Falcon wrote on 11.12.2021 at 13:59
So you can't be serious. Now regardless of the slots themselves, you would have to know best that there are so many casinos that work anything but customer oriented.
Delays in withdrawals, bonus traps, Verification chicanery, etc.
Many casinos do almost everything to scare away the players. Logic and sense behind it I also see no, but it is now a fact that many casinos have exactly such methods as a business model.

The magic word here is called: Addict. With an addict you can do a lot whether you believe it or not
Do you think they don't know what makes an addict tick? Do you seriously think they don't have psychologists there who know exactly how to trigger addicts so that they gamble more and more? It's like the arcades, for years addicts have been produced and now you can set the payout as low as you want and the customer still continues to play. Logical common sense sets in and the gambling industry has nothing to lose no matter how they treat their customers
They come back again and again, look around all the complaining and still keep playing

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