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Online Casinos in general: Question for all addicted gamers (Page 2)

Topic created on 25th Nov. 2018 | Page: 2 of 3 | Answers: 24 | Views: 8,301
Anonym
Ankor wrote on 11/25/2018 at 5:19 pm: You ask people who have problems with gaming for advice? I'll answer once anyway:

So there is no advice that just works, because in the end only you control yourself and no one else. Whether you Deposit or not has no consequences in that sense. People who have been gambling for years need at least some support (friend, family member, counseling - doesn't have to be an explicit counseling center - there are enough places where you can just talk). As soon as one can no longer keep to one's own words, one will not always keep to them in the future. At most, you can set mitigating limits and exclude yourself from time to time.

I have not even played 1 year and have stopped (since 08.11) or some time ago I had still accepted free spins without deposit (but was hardly anything, vllt. 5 minutes a day) and I have but also completely discarded because it is very seductive (ie I have excluded myself everywhere). Supporting I have a second account online unilaterally limited, I leave on the main account with which I have previously deposited only a fraction if I urgently order online what or want to pay. But it is clear that since I no longer use the free play promotions, I have significant withdrawal symptoms, I sleep worse, often have headaches and sweats when I remember to log on somewhere. Hopefully I'll get through this phase soon, then all this will have ended well for me.

Dear addicts, use the Sufus, I do not mean Ankor but the thread creator or the addicts, there are countless contributions. You just have to take the time to do so. An addiction is difficult to treat yourself without help it does not work.

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Ichbins2018
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Latino wrote on 11/25/2018 at 2:55 pm: @Ichbins2018:
Methaphors help to understand but should be chosen carefully.
Limited play nothing more than feeding a crying baby to make it shut up.

Counterquestion : What would you )or any other normal thinking person)do to quiet a crying baby ? Not feeding it would probably be a cruel "solution" - so comparing baby/playing addiction is probably a bit unfortunate.
I hope you understand what I am getting at

Well Latino, I don't find my metaphor that absurd, especially since I know many facets of this addiction and a starving child is probably not an exception.
And as far as satisfying addiction is concerned (as bad as it is) the upper one belongs to the more harmless things.
So there it goes far worse to the thing, depending on the progress of this addiction and examples are there for this only too enough...just not in this forum.
(Player addiction help forums.... in self-help groups for players, etc...)

As I am a pathological gambler myself and know exactly what addictive pressure caused in me (mostly nothing good), I also know what it means NOT to gamble.
My metaphor may not have come across right...but I can tell you from my own experience,
not playing was a torture for me for years, so I can understand the very high relapse rate.

Also, of course, people who glorify the game more or less for themselves or those who think they can brake with limits understand.
All this I have also lived, tried or whatever

By the way, how does a normal thinking person think?
As a gamer I could not think normally - and as a non-gamer it is at least as difficult for me.

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Latino
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@Ichbins2018:
Please do not take it the wrong way: Then you didn't understand what I was getting at because :
By the way, how does a normal thinking person think? - A normal thinking person would be someone who feeds the baby.

But we certainly don't want to split hairs at this point - I just found the metaphor very bad - not your attitude to the subject.

I myself have made the experience that the advice "do not start playing" rarely works if he simultaneously makes positive experiences elsewhere, and be it only when he watches someone else play (or better win) - keyword: Twitch

The thread creator has asked for advice on how to deal with an impending dependency - that he considers a progressive dependency for himself is in my opinion already a step towards self-knowledge that is absolutely necessary to not run into the doom. A complete cessation of gaming activities would of course be the most sensible measure

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Ichbins2018
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Latino wrote on 11/25/2018 at 6:50 pm: @Ichbins2018:
Please don't take it the wrong way: Then you didn't understand what I was getting at because :
By the way, how does a normal thinking person think? - A normal thinking person would be someone who feeds the baby.

But we certainly don't want to split hairs at this point - I just found the metaphor very bad - not your attitude to the subject.

I myself have made the experience that the advice "do not start playing" rarely works if he simultaneously makes positive experiences elsewhere, and be it only when he watches someone else play (or better win) - keyword: Twitch

The thread creator has asked for advice on how to deal with an impending dependency - that he considers a progressive dependency for himself is in my opinion already a step towards self-knowledge that is absolutely necessary to not run into the doom. A complete cessation of gaming activities would of course be the most sensible measure.

Hey Latino, already Ok and maybe my comparison a crying baby which wants to be breastfed with addiction pressure lags a bit behind

And of course you're right, don't start playing rarely works, on the one hand because the human being is quite easy to influence, the lobby takes advantage of that or the manipulations nowadays already start in the own living room (advertising on TV) -and besides, they do their best to associate playing with positive things.
And on the other hand, of course, there is a lack of education and very few people are aware of the real danger of this kind of gaming.
With this kind of game I mean that in contrast to the past a lot has changed, especially when it comes to manipulate players, to drive them literally in the addiction.
Whether offline or online...the software used is nowadays - if I were to compare it with drugs - hardcore.
Of course, there were machines and other gambling devices in the past, but mainly in pubs.
But what you never saw at that time were zombie-like figures sitting on their stools and sinking one mark after the other.

Well, as for the advice to Manfred, personally I think that the train has already sailed - and the only way out for him (if you would ask me) would be total abstinence.
His self-awareness regarding his gambling behavior I also find good...but as I said, once the addiction memory is awakened, it will be very difficult to control the "thing"
From trying a euro and maybe I'll get lucky, to an addicted player, the transitions are fluid or -I have not yet encountered a player who could pull the ripcord in time
So if someone is susceptible to gambling.

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Anonym
Ichbins2018 wrote on 11/26/2018 at 09:44 AM

-i have yet to encounter a player who could pull the rip cord in time
So as far as someone being prone to gamble.

To your penultimate sentence: you won't encounter one in the future either

Because a player who has pulled the ripcord in time should no longer be a player....

Otherwise, very good arguments!

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Falko
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Tonight Report Mainz 21.45 clock on ARD. Topic among other things: Manufacturers lead with gambling machines the policy around at the nose. Who is interested, can look at that after times.

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Ichbins2018
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Thanks for the Tip @Falko

Probably it concerns TR.5 and the screw to the player

I no longer play myself, but I find it interesting that the money book is evaluated as the actual game.
That explains of course also the hineinpfeffern of eg 2 euros and on some other counter are only 1.80 euros on it...the other way around of course again the same shit, so when re-booking

Interesting I find however also that that was approved at all by the Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt in this form.
Or maybe it has to do with the fact that this is an institution of public law ...speak Federal Ministry of Economics?

Well, let's see, maybe I'll be a little smarter after the broadcast...

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Anonym
Latino wrote on 25.11.2018 at 12:25 pm: 1) First of all set Deposit limits in the casino, if possible several e.g. max 500 euros per month and max 100 euros per day - depending on how your income is.
2) After reaching a self-imposed limit, first do something else - play a game, watch a movie, go out to eat with your wife/girlfriend - i.e. something that completely distracts you for a while.
3) After reaching a limit, think about how long you had to work for the amount.
4) Think about what you could have bought for that money - preferably something you've wanted to buy for a long time.
5) Go to the account overview and keep in mind how much you have already gambled away in the past, e.g. this year (of course, counter-calculate cashouts) - repeat punct. 3) and 4) with the sum

Works - at least for me - excellent.

Top!

I can agree on every point, but I have to criticize point 5 in particular:

It can of course be that you look at deposits and withdrawals and get a shock that leads to closing the account. - Can confirm this from experience! I've already had the account closed completely in many an OC because I saw that I was only making deposits. That was then also the reason why I no longer like to play there.

On the other hand, a player can also think: "Man, so much has been paid in, never paid out! There must be something coming".

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Anonym
Yes, it was exactly the same for me! Exactly the same I had thought and acted until recently. Nevertheless, that just went wrong. I had also said to myself, oh come what may you have just lost. New round - new luck. But tomorrow - tomorrow I will win for sure. Unfortunately, the final result was negative. To top it all off, I also used my Visa card to withdraw money from the casino. My bank took this as an opportunity to block my credit cards.

Every addiction starts small. Oh come here try it out!. The fact is that you will lose in the long run. Of course you can win at roulette. I don't want to deny that, because I also won a lot. But the more you win, the more your greed increases. One makes higher stakes and plays with higher Risk --- and loses again everything.

If one would have 10000 euro on the player account and one would gamble then only with 1 cent per round, well that could work in fact. As soon as you have won 10 euros can be paid out and do not touch the 10000 euros.


Only just so no one plays! In addition, you should always say that an OC is not a bank. If the eg. block the player account or do not pay out the balance, then you look very old. The Malta to sue ? Good luck.


So again, let the gambling be. Do yourself a favor and don't play for money. I speak from painful experience.

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Anonym
Howard wrote on 08/12/2018 at 18:42: Yes, that's exactly how it was for me too! I had thought and acted the same way until recently. Still, it just went wrong. I had also said to myself, oh come what may you just lost once. New round - new luck. But tomorrow - tomorrow I will win for sure. Unfortunately, the final result was negative. To top it all off, I also used my Visa card to withdraw money from the casino. My bank took this as an opportunity to block my credit cards.

Every addiction starts small. Oh come here try it out!. The fact is that you will lose in the long run. Of course you can win at roulette. I don't want to deny that, because I also won a lot. But the more you win, the more your greed increases. One makes higher stakes and plays with higher Risk --- and loses again everything.

If one would have 10000 euro on the player account and one would gamble then only with 1 cent per round, well that could work in fact. As soon as you have won 10 euros can be paid out and do not touch the 10000 euros.


Only just so no one plays! In addition, you should always say that an OC is not a bank. If the eg. block the player account or do not pay out the balance, then you look very old. The Malta to sue ? Good luck.


So again, let the gambling be. Do yourself a favor and don't play for money. I speak from painful experience.

Exactly how it can be, every day 20 euros in a casino verballert are in the month 600 €! In between, you win something where you zockt back down to 0 € and then you think: Oh come try again....

The biggest losses I make after zb a win of 400-500 € has run down and I then think, Haja maybe I get it again.

Have so 1x already gambled away a whole salary because I have lost at StarGames previously 1700 € within 20 minutes again.

And do not play when you are drunk, stoned and / or coked... the area in the brain where the reason sits you look in vain.

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