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Online Casinos in general: Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value. (Page 9)

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imsoql
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

19th Jan. 2025, at 02:01 am CET#121
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Has anyone ever considered going to the press about it?
When I read here that people are being reported for a few euros that were paid out. I wouldn't pay a cent in fines if someone was actually convicted. Do they want to put you in jail because you looked at colorful pictures online that are spinning and you bet your money on it that there might be a win? And then you were also cheeky enough to have €100 paid out after you'd blown €2000?
I wonder how they want to prove that you were even in Germany at the time of the crime! What if you say that you were in Malta or another country that is not so core disabled to cheat its own population at the time of the payout?
Imagine you are on vacation. You play on a site that is allowed in your country but not in Germany. You win €10000 and pay it out and when you get back you get a report 🤣 you can't tell anyone that.

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BigAl87
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

19th Jan. 2025, at 03:26 am CET#122
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We live in the "best Germany ever"....
Irony is only for people who understand it.
I can donate whatever I want to any foreign institution (in most cases it also helps people in need or helps in other humanitarian cases) without anyone asking what happens to the money. But if I transfer money abroad with the intention of gambling, and I want to return 50 or 100 times the amount to my account, is that illegal? What do you do with the money? Either you put the money back into gambling or you treat yourself - ergo -> ⅕ of the win goes into the tax coffers as you also pay taxes here. I don't like Germany at the moment. There's no chance of getting on the green branch somehow. Player protection is supposedly written in capital letters, but in the end they are just trying to generate even more tax money. The state doesn't care whether you lose €500,000 in Curacao or in a German casino. Only in the casino is the tax paid directly and in Curacao it has to sue you for it first.... But as it monitors your every move, it is only a matter of time before the tax authorities are at your door

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Donnie
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

19th Jan. 2025, at 06:29 am CET#123
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imsoql wrote on 19.01.2025 at 02:01: Has anyone ever considered going to the press with this?
When I read here that people get reports because of a few euros that were paid out. I wouldn't pay a cent in fines if someone was actually convicted. Do they want to put you in jail because you looked at colorful pictures online that are spinning and you bet your money on it that there might be a win? And then you were also cheeky enough to have €100 paid out after you'd blown €2000?
I wonder how they want to prove that you were even in Germany at the time of the crime! What if you say that you were in Malta or another country that is not so core disabled to cheat its own population at the time of the payout?
Imagine you are on vacation. You play on a site that is allowed in your country but not in Germany. You win €10000 and pay it out and when you get back you get a report 🤣 you can't tell anyone that.

If you get a fine you have to pay it, otherwise you could go to prison, as far as I know. Donnie was once wanted by the police. Didn't want to pay a fine of €500 (nothing to do with gambling) and was then served with an arrest warrant. Then there was a note on the door telling me to report to the police, of course they wanted to lock me up and I didn't report. I was supposed to go to Castrop-Rauxel prison for 50 days. I've hardly ever had anything to do with the police in my life and then the statute of limitations expired. A personal check and the handcuffs would have clicked, then you would have had to pay money immediately to avoid going to prison. About 8 years later, when the arrest warrant came, I testified as a witness. I then asked the policeman if he could see if there was ever a warrant out for my arrest, he said no

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frapi07
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

19th Jan. 2025, at 11:34 am CET#124
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Donnie wrote on 01/19/2025 06:29:
If you get a fine you have to pay it, otherwise you face jail time, as far as I know. Donnie was once wanted by the police. Didn't want to pay a fine of €500 (nothing to do with gambling) and was then served with an arrest warrant. Then there was a note on the door telling me to report to the police, of course they wanted to lock me up and I didn't report. I was supposed to go to Castrop-Rauxel prison for 50 days. I've hardly ever had anything to do with the police in my life and then the statute of limitations expired. A personal check and the handcuffs would have clicked, then you would have had to pay money immediately to avoid going to prison. About 8 years later, when the arrest warrant came, I testified as a witness. I then asked the policeman if he could see if there was ever a warrant out for my arrest, he said no

That is correct. The arrest warrant can be issued in the case of fines, which are pronounced in a judgment or in the case of debts (by a bailiff). There are also a number of reports on this that you can watch on YouTube these days. I believe that the police can even get warrants with which they can then open your front door to execute the warrant. So a bailiff can do that, he just has a locksmith with him to break down the doors.

Criminal law - How fines can lead to prison

Off topic: the daily rate has been set at €10/day for decades. It would have to be adjusted because of inflation etc.

imsoql wrote on 19.01.2025 at 02:01: Has anyone ever considered going to the press with this?
When I read here that people get reports because of a few euros that were once paid out. I wouldn't pay a cent in fines if someone was actually convicted. Do they want to put you in jail because you looked at colorful pictures online that are spinning and you bet your money on it that there might be a win? And then you were also cheeky enough to have €100 paid out after you'd blown €2000?
I wonder how they want to prove that you were even in Germany at the time of the crime! What if you say that you were in Malta or another country that is not so core disabled to cheat its own population at the time of the payout?
Imagine you are on vacation. You play on a site that is allowed in your country but not in Germany. You win €10000 and pay it out and when you get back you get a report 🤣 you can't tell anyone that.

What does the press want to do? They do their thing anyway, regardless of whether it's a scandal or not. There were media that pointed out various scandals (e.g. fraud at the corona test centers). People who exploited these laws and cheated the state out of money were punished. So far so good, but the people who failed and made the fraud possible in the first place have been spared. We're talking about billions that have gone missing somewhere. Taxpayers' money, of course.

Regarding your question about evidence: certain logs can be used to check whether you were in Germany or at home. Power consumption on day X, cell phone, etc.

Regarding your example: I as an Italian (don't have German citizenship) could register with legal providers, but I am also given the following warning:"(In any case, it is important to carefully check the restrictions imposed by the legislation of the country you live in and the policies of the online casino you choose."). Even if I were there on vacation, I wouldn't be sure. I think it's the place of residence that counts here - in my case, Germany, and the German rules would apply to me accordingly. The situation is different for offline offers. I can of course take part in gambling there, even though I am an Italian or German citizen. Accordingly, I would evaluate your example as follows. Your place of residence is in Germany and German laws apply to you. But I'm not a lawyer, so I have no idea xD

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roccoammo11
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

19th Jan. 2025, at 02:07 pm CET#125
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frapi07 wrote on January 19, 2025 at 11:34 am:
What does the press want to do? They'll still do their thing regardless of whether it's a scandal or not. There have been media that have pointed out various scandals (e.g. fraud at the corona test centers). People who exploited these laws and cheated the state out of money were punished. So far so good, but the people who failed and made the fraud possible in the first place have been spared. We're talking about billions that have gone missing somewhere. Taxpayers' money, of course.

Regarding your question about evidence: certain logs can be used to check whether you were in Germany or at home. Power consumption on day X, cell phone, etc.

Regarding your example: I as an Italian (don't have German citizenship) could register with legal providers, but I am also given the following warning:"(In any case, it is important to carefully check the restrictions imposed by the legislation of the country you live in and the policies of the online casino you choose."). Even if I were there on vacation, I wouldn't be sure. I think it's the place of residence that counts here - in my case, Germany, and the German rules would apply to me accordingly. The situation is different for offline offers. I can of course take part in gambling there, even though I am an Italian or German citizen. Accordingly, I would evaluate your example as follows. Your place of residence is in Germany and German laws apply to you. But I'm not a lawyer, so I have no idea xD

You don't look Italian at all 😄 your German & grammar are also far too good...you certainly don't even speak Italian...admit it 😁


But sometimes it's not a bad idea to make the press aware..the more waves it makes, the more likely it is that something will change or be discussed..but simply reporting to Bild or RTL doesn't mean that anyone cares

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frapi07
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

19th Jan. 2025, at 02:29 pm CET#126
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roccoammo11 wrote on 19.01.2025 at 14:07:

You don't look Italian at all 😄 your German & grammar are way too good too..you probably don't even speak Italian..admit it 😁


But sometimes it's not a bad idea to make the press aware..the more waves it makes, the more likely it is that something will change or be discussed..but just reporting to Bild or RTL doesn't mean that anyone cares

In fact, I don't really look Italian More like a southerner ^^ That's because I have Sicilian roots. They've been conquered umpteen times. By Arabs, Greeks, Turks, Spaniards... everyone was welcome But I must deceive you, I speak Italian. Well, my German and English are better, but I can say that my Italian is not bad. I was born in Italy and went to elementary school there, but it's been 25 years xD I'd say I'm at about the level of a secondary school student. Grammar comes about because I have a higher education and have also lived here for 25 years^^

That may be true, but the issue here is complex. It doesn't affect many people and the subject is full of prejudices. The interest would therefore not be as great or not as great as another topic that affects more people. RTL/Bild wouldn't really make sense either, rather something like Frankfurter Zeitung or something like that. Nobody really takes Bild seriously, do they xD

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gamble1
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

19th Jan. 2025, at 03:05 pm CET#127
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frapi07 wrote on January 19, 2025 at 11:34 am:
What does the press want to do? They'll still do their thing regardless of whether it's a scandal or not. There have been media that have pointed out various scandals (e.g. fraud at the corona test centers). People who exploited these laws and cheated the state out of money were punished. So far so good, but the people who failed and made the fraud possible in the first place have been spared. We're talking about billions that have gone missing somewhere. Taxpayers' money, of course.

Regarding your question about evidence: certain logs can be used to check whether you were in Germany or at home. Power consumption on day X, cell phone, etc.

Regarding your example: I as an Italian (don't have German citizenship) could register with legal providers, but I am also given the following warning:"(In any case, it is important to carefully check the restrictions imposed by the legislation of the country where you live and the policies of the online casino you choose."). Even if I were there on vacation, I wouldn't be sure. I think it's the place of residence that counts here - in my case, Germany, and the German rules would apply to me accordingly. The situation is different for offline offers. I can of course take part in gambling there, even though I am an Italian or German citizen. Accordingly, I would evaluate your example as follows. Your place of residence is in Germany and German laws apply to you. But I'm not a lawyer, so I have no idea xD

As far as I know, an arrest warrant issued by a bailiff is only valid if you don't make an affidavit stating that you can't pay. It only serves to get you to make this declaration. Debts from a fine, on the other hand, are a substitute custodial sentence where you serve the fine by serving daily rates in prison.

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imsoql
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

20th Jan. 2025, at 01:41 pm CET#128
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frapi07 wrote on January 19, 2025 at 11:34 am:
What does the press want to do? They'll still do their thing regardless of whether it's a scandal or not. There have been media that have pointed out various scandals (e.g. fraud at the corona test centers). People who exploited these laws and cheated the state out of money were punished. So far so good, but the people who failed and made the fraud possible in the first place have been spared. We're talking about billions that have gone missing somewhere. Taxpayers' money, of course.

Regarding your question about evidence: certain logs can be used to check whether you were in Germany or at home. Power consumption on day X, cell phone, etc.

Regarding your example: I as an Italian (don't have German citizenship) could register with legal providers, but I am also given the following warning:"(In any case, it is important to carefully check the restrictions imposed by the legislation of the country where you live and the policies of the online casino you choose."). Even if I were there on vacation, I wouldn't be sure. I think it's the place of residence that counts here - in my case, Germany, and the German rules would apply to me accordingly. The situation is different for offline offers. I can of course take part in gambling there, even though I am an Italian or German citizen. Accordingly, I would evaluate your example as follows. Your place of residence is in Germany and German laws apply to you. But I'm not a lawyer, so I have no idea xD

The residence thing is nonsense. For me as a person, the laws of the country I'm in count. I can't buy alcohol in the USA when I'm 16 and say "but I'm German".


there is simply a lack of proportionality. Of course, there will certainly have been casinos and people who laundered money on a grand scale in the years before. But not the little worker next door who had the urge to play a round of live Blackjack ;D.

You have to think about that.
You Deposit a 100i somewhere and have the win of your life. ZACK BOOM you win 50,000 euros and pay it out to your account.
The loan is paid off, you travel, the kids finally get a new e-bike and a Ps5.
The wife finally gets her fully automatic coffee machine and you buy yourself a few nice things and you're happy that you did exactly the right thing with the 100 euros on DayX. (The money that you have apparently won here illegally goes back to the country where you live)

6 months later ... you look in the mailbox and you get a letter from the public prosecutor's office XYZ accusing you of illegal gambling and that you should pay back the 50,000 euros. If at some point such a judgment goes through, I can tell you what will happen to one or the other person! this will hang on the tree.

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frapi07
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

20th Jan. 2025, at 01:46 pm CET#129
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imsoql wrote on 20.01.2025 at 13:41:

The residence thing is nonsense. For me as a person, the laws in which country I reside count. I can't buy alcohol in the USA at 16 and say "but I'm German".


there is simply a lack of proportionality. Of course, there will certainly have been casinos and people who laundered money on a grand scale in the years before. But not the little worker next door who had the urge to play a round of live Blackjack ;D.

You have to think about that.
You Deposit a 100i somewhere and have the win of your life. ZACK BOOM you win 50,000 euros and pay it out to your account.
The loan is paid off, you travel, the kids finally get a new e-bike and a Ps5.
The wife finally gets her fully automatic coffee machine and you buy yourself a few nice things and you're happy that you did exactly the right thing with the 100 euros on DayX. (The money that you have apparently won here illegally goes back to the country where you live)

6 months later ... you look in the mailbox and you get a letter from the public prosecutor's office XYZ accusing you of illegal gambling and that you should pay back the 50,000 euros. If at some point such a judgment goes through, I can tell you what will happen to one or the other person! this will hang on the tree.

Offline, residence is not relevant. As a German citizen, you can fly to Las Vegas and gamble there legally. I wrote the same thing.

Online, on the other hand, I see it differently. Your place of residence may be relevant there. Especially if you pay in and out with your bank.

You cannot register with an Italian casino while on vacation in Italy. You do not have the necessary address -> residence


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Theodor
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

20th Jan. 2025, at 02:29 pm CET#130
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imsoql wrote on 20.01.2025 at 13:41:

The residence thing is nonsense. For me as a person, the laws in which country I reside count. I can't buy alcohol in the USA at 16 and say "but I'm German".


there is simply a lack of proportionality. Of course, there will certainly have been casinos and people who laundered money on a grand scale in the years before. But not the little worker next door who had the urge to play a round of live Blackjack ;D.

You have to think about that.
You Deposit a 100i somewhere and have the win of your life. ZACK BOOM you win 50,000 euros and pay it out to your account.
The loan is paid off, you travel, the kids finally get a new e-bike and a Ps5.
The wife finally gets her fully automatic coffee machine and you buy yourself a few nice things and you're happy that you did exactly the right thing with the 100 euros on DayX. (The money that you apparently won here illegally goes back to the country where you live)

6 months later ... you look in the mailbox and you get a letter from the public prosecutor's office XYZ accusing you of illegal gambling and that you should pay back the 50,000 euros. If at some point such a judgment goes through, I can tell you what will happen to one or the other person! this will hang on the tree.

That's exactly what mtorero is facing right now. Not 50k, but almost 15k... and once that's started in Bavaria, it will quickly become common practice in the other federal states too. It's only a question of time.

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