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Online Casinos in general: Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value. (Page 8)

Topic created on 30th Sep. 2024 | Page: 8 of 12 | Answers: 169 | Views: 24,019
Druff
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

8th Nov. 2024, at 08:44 am CET#106
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Falke wrote on 08.11.2024 at 07:22:

Just ignore it instead of immediately screaming for censorship. Nobody reacted to it anyway.


First of all, good luck,

Why should I have to read and endure some picture narrative here just because someone thinks he could and may knowingly violate the rules and give his (I'll call it generous) intellectual outpouring, knowing that probably no contradiction will come because others adhere to the house rules. And sorry, I apologize, but I just don't see it, and please, don't start with all this talk about censorship, what's so hard about sticking to really simple, minimal guidelines?

There used to be an unwritten rule in pubs, no politics and no religion, quite simply.

You see, Falcon, now we're completely off topic, which is what this was all about, and we're both not sticking to the rules, a third and fourth person will end up posting and it's finally chaos and offtopic ☝️wir could debate this in private or something, but it's simply not wanted or allowed in public.

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McFly02
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

4th Dec. 2024, at 08:01 am CET#107
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Hi guys, so far nothing has happened with me either, my lawyers have the same procedure as with mtorero, wait and see, I am hopeful

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Theodor
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

4th Dec. 2024, at 08:49 am CET#108
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McFly02 wrote on 04.12.2024 at 08:01: Hello guys, nothing has happened with me yet either .my lawyers have the same procedure as with mtorero.wait and see, I'm hopeful

Good to hear! Keep us up to date! Good luck!

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Gerdi
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

17th Dec. 2024, at 02:31 pm CET#109
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Hi,
and first of all thank you for sharing your experiences here. My opinion is the same as everyone else's. I hope that this doesn't go through. Of course, you also look after yourself - I've also played a lot in the last 5 years and have paid out almost 6 figures in total (deposited a lot more, of course). A lot of it went through my bank account, but I've played in dozens of casinos, which has always changed, so there are a lot of smaller deposits and withdrawals, maximum mid four-digit amounts, but in total of course....
Now to my question:
The payouts are rarely assigned directly to a casino on the account statement. There are always payment providers such as PaySafe, Inpay, Noda, Mifinity or other payment providers that also process various other payments, so it doesn't necessarily have to come from a casino. I just don't know whether they will provide the German authorities with information about whose money they have passed on or whether they will investigate further at all. Is there any experience in connection with proceedings such as those that have actually been discontinued here as to whether only payments that come directly from OC or also those via payment providers are cited?

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miketrey00
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

17th Dec. 2024, at 11:15 pm CET#110
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mtorero wrote on 01.10.2024 at 20:01: Enclosed is the application form:

In independent confiscation proceedings pursuant to §435 StPO, §76a para. 1 to 3 StGB against mtorero

Based on its investigations, the Public Prosecutor General's Office assumes the following facts:

On unknown dates before or on 27.01.2022 and 26.07.2022, the person concerned took part in sports betting or casino games organized by Red Rhino Ltd, Panda Media and Rabbit Entertainment Ltd.b, each based in Malta. The player's chance of winning does not depend significantly on the player's attentiveness, skills or knowledge, but solely or mainly on chance. At the time, the companies did not have a license to operate sports betting or casino games in Germany. In the period from 27.01.2022 and 26.07.2022, Red Rhino Ltd, Panda Media and Rabbit Entertainment Ltd paid out wins totaling EUR 14,350 from these sports bets or games.

The person concerned at least accepted the fact that this was a public game of chance for which no license existed in Germany.

The person concerned obtained book money totaling 14,350 euros as a result of the offences, which is subject to confiscation of compensation in accordance with § 73, 73c StGBb.

The accused was therefore a suspect,

having been involved in a public game of chance

and thus to have committed the following offence(s):

Participation in unauthorized gambling pursuant to §285 StGB.

The above-mentioned mtorero of the confiscation has obtained book money in the amount of 14,350 euros through the offense or for the offense (§ 73 para. 1 StGB).

Confiscation of the item(s) is not possible due to its/their nature or for another reason (Section 73c sentence 1 StGB). The book money obtained was placed in the current account of the account and is therefore no longer available as such in the original.

According to Sections 73c, 73d StGB, the value of the money obtained is EUR 14,350.

The requirements for independent confiscation under Section 76a StGB are met:
The proceedings for the offense were discontinued in accordance with a provision that permits this at the discretion of the public prosecutor or the court or by agreement of both (Section 76a (3) StGB). The proceedings against mtorero were discontinued by order dated 16.02.2024 in accordance with 153 para. 1 StPO.

The conviction is based on
§§ 7 - 13, 436 StPO, §§ 24 para. 1, 25 no. 2 GVG of the Munich District Court - Criminal Judge.

It is requested,

1. to open the independent confiscation proceedings - criminal judge,
1. to order the confiscation of compensation in the amount of 14,200 euros against the person affected by the confiscation (§§ 436 Para. 2, 434 Para. 2 StPO),
1. to decide by order (sections 436 (2), 434 (2) of the Code of Criminal Procedure) and
1. to order that mtorero be involved in the proceedings (sections 435 (3) sentence 2, 424 (1), (4) StPO)



I am actually facing charges on the same legal basis. However, a 2-digit amount is to be taken from me (according to the indictment). 14.200 EUR is yet another house number.

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KappaKeepo
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

2nd Jan. 2025, at 02:30 pm CET#111
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I wonder, for example, if the state wants €5,000 back and gets it back.
Is that it then?
Assuming you don't play any more casino games from now on.
Or will the state come back and pick out the next payouts?
According to the motto, you can say goodbye to ever building a house, etc.
If you think about what you have already paid in/out over 3 years.

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frapi07
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

2nd Jan. 2025, at 02:39 pm CET#112
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KappaKeepo wrote on 02.01.2025 at 14:30: I wonder if the state wants e.g. 5000€ back and gets it back.
Is that it then?
Assuming you stop playing casino from today.
Or will the state then come back and pick out the next payouts?
According to the motto, you can say goodbye to ever building a house, etc.
If you think about what you have already paid in/out over 3 years.

It would be conceivable. If you pick out cases that have already been discontinued, then I wouldn't really be surprised.

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KappaKeepo
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

2nd Jan. 2025, at 02:52 pm CET#113
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frapi07 wrote on 02.01.2025 at 14:39:

It would be conceivable. If you pick out cases that have already been discontinued, then I wouldn't really be surprised.

It's really insane what's going on here.

I just read that 75% of all German "gamblers" have already played in illegal casinos.
That destroys a few livelihoods.

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xyz066
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

2nd Jan. 2025, at 04:53 pm CET#114
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KappaKeepo wrote on 02/01/2025 14:52:

This is all really insane what's going on here.

Just read that 75% of all German "players" have already played in illegal casinos.
Some livelihoods are being destroyed.

Why do 75% of German gamblers play in illegal casinos? Because there are simply no sensible options! Everything that is fun or could somehow help you get ahead is immediately smashed.
Instead of giving us opportunities, politics only pushes us further down. Every mistake is punished, every idea is stifled and in the end, livelihoods go down the drain.
Politicians have no plan for how to deal with people who want to live outside the 9 to 5 servant system. Whether it's Online Casinos or a modern life in general, they are simply not at the starting line. Instead, they leave us in the lurch while we have to struggle through somehow.
I'm sick and tired of being constantly hijacked by a system that sabotages us from the start.

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frapi07
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

2nd Jan. 2025, at 05:23 pm CET#115
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xyz066 wrote on 02/01/2025 16:53:
Why do 75% of German gamblers play in illegal casinos? Because there are simply no sensible options! Everything that is fun or could somehow help you get ahead is immediately smashed.
Instead of giving us opportunities, politicians just push us further down. Every mistake is punished, every idea is stifled and in the end, livelihoods go down the drain.
Politicians have no plan for how to deal with people who want to live outside the 9 to 5 servant system. Whether it's Online Casinos or a modern life in general, they are simply not at the starting line. Instead, they leave us in the lurch while we have to struggle through somehow.
I'm sick and tired of being constantly hijacked by a system that sabotages us from the start.


Unfortunately, alternatives are smashed because they are more attractive. Even if you abolish these rules like the max. bet and 5 sec rule, the legal stalls won't stand a chance because people will always want to charge the tax. At least that's how I see it. But that's logical, everyone wants to spend as little as possible and it's the same in other areas (e.g. illegal employment).

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xyz066
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

2nd Jan. 2025, at 07:46 pm CET#116
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frapi07 wrote on 02.01.2025 at 17:23:

Unfortunately, alternatives will be crushed because they are more attractive. Even if you abolish these rules like max bet and 5 sec rule, the legal stalls won't stand a chance because they will always want to charge the tax. At least that's how I see it. But that's logical, everyone wants to spend as little as possible and it's the same in other areas (e.g. illegal employment).

In my opinion, this whole industry is a huge mafia that is still working with politicians in Germany.

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frapi07
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

2nd Jan. 2025, at 08:37 pm CET#117
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xyz066 wrote on 02.01.2025 19:46:

This whole industry is a huge mafia that still works with politics in Germany, in my eyes.

It's no different with the tobacco industry or other industries.

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Gerdi
Visitor

Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

15th Jan. 2025, at 10:32 am CET#118
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Hi,

is there anything new in the story? The application was submitted 3.5 months ago, so perhaps something has changed with mtorero Fly02, or are there more people affected?

Was it actually the case with you that the proceedings were discontinued due to insignificance/lack of public interest or due to a lack of evidence? In the latter case, confiscation is likely to be even more difficult.

Thanks for an update!

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roccoammo11
Expert

Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

17th Jan. 2025, at 08:17 pm CET#119
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xyz066 wrote on 02.01.2025 19:46:

This whole industry is a huge mafia that still works with politics in Germany, in my eyes.

money rules the world..you can bribe anyone..the sum just has to be right...

Whereby mafia is a bit of a misnomer...besides the black sheep there are also white ones & if one of us had a company in this industry, then we would all be win-oriented & anyone who isn't can't run a company...

Btw I would also be interested to know if there are any updates here from those affected...!

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mtorero
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

18th Jan. 2025, at 12:40 pm CET#120
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Gerdi wrote on January 15, 2025 at 10:32 am: Hi,

is there anything new in the story? The application was submitted 3.5 months ago, maybe something has changed with mtorero Fly02. Or are there more people affected by now?

Was it actually the case with you that the proceedings were discontinued due to insignificance/lack of public interest or due to a lack of evidence? In the latter case, confiscation is likely to be even more difficult.

Thanks for an update!

Nothing new at the moment. My lawyer is expecting a reply from the StA to his statement in mid-January and then we'll see.
I'll report back when there are updates

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