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Online Casinos in general: Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value. (Page 8)

Topic created on 30th Sep. 2024 | Page: 8 of 8 | Answers: 109 | Views: 15,187
Druff
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

8th Nov. 2024, at 08:44 am CET#106
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Falke wrote on 08.11.2024 at 07:22:

Just ignore it instead of immediately screaming for censorship. Nobody reacted to it anyway.


First of all, good luck,

Why should I have to read and endure some picture narrative here just because someone thinks he could and may knowingly violate the rules and give his (I'll call it generous) intellectual outpouring, knowing that probably no contradiction will come because others adhere to the house rules. And sorry, I apologize, but I just don't see it, and please, don't start with all this talk about censorship, what's so hard about sticking to really simple, minimal guidelines?

There used to be an unwritten rule in pubs, no politics and no religion, quite simply.

You see, Falcon, now we're completely off topic, which is what this was all about, and we're both not sticking to the rules, a third and fourth person will end up posting and it's finally chaos and offtopic ☝️wir could debate this in private or something, but it's simply not wanted or allowed in public.

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McFly02
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

4th Dec. 2024, at 08:01 am CET#107
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Hi guys, so far nothing has happened with me either, my lawyers have the same procedure as with mtorero, wait and see, I am hopeful

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Theodor
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

4th Dec. 2024, at 08:49 am CET#108
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McFly02 wrote on 04.12.2024 at 08:01: Hello guys, nothing has happened with me yet either .my lawyers have the same procedure as with mtorero.wait and see, I'm hopeful

Good to hear! Keep us up to date! Good luck!

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G****i

Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

17th Dec. 2024, at 02:31 pm CET#109
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Hi,
and first of all thank you for sharing your experiences here. My opinion is the same as everyone else's. I hope that this doesn't go through. Of course, you also look after yourself - I've also played a lot in the last 5 years and have paid out almost 6 figures in total (deposited a lot more, of course). A lot of it went through my bank account, but I've played in dozens of casinos, which has always changed, so there are a lot of smaller deposits and withdrawals, maximum mid four-digit amounts, but in total of course....
Now to my question:
The payouts are rarely assigned directly to a casino on the account statement. There are always payment providers such as PaySafe, Inpay, Noda, Mifinity or other payment providers that also process various other payments, so it doesn't necessarily have to come from a casino. I just don't know whether they will provide the German authorities with information about whose money they have passed on or whether they will investigate further at all. Is there any experience in connection with proceedings such as those that have actually been discontinued here as to whether only payments that come directly from OC or also those via payment providers are cited?

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miketrey00

Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

17th Dec. 2024, at 11:15 pm CET#110
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mtorero wrote on 01.10.2024 at 20:01: Enclosed is the application form:

In independent confiscation proceedings pursuant to §435 StPO, §76a para. 1 to 3 StGB against mtorero

Based on its investigations, the Public Prosecutor General's Office assumes the following facts:

On unknown dates before or on 27.01.2022 and 26.07.2022, the person concerned took part in sports betting or casino games organized by Red Rhino Ltd, Panda Media and Rabbit Entertainment Ltd.b, each based in Malta. The player's chance of winning does not depend significantly on the player's attentiveness, skills or knowledge, but solely or mainly on chance. At the time, the companies did not have a license to operate sports betting or casino games in Germany. In the period from 27.01.2022 and 26.07.2022, Red Rhino Ltd, Panda Media and Rabbit Entertainment Ltd paid out wins totaling EUR 14,350 from these sports bets or games.

The person concerned at least accepted the fact that this was a public game of chance for which no license existed in Germany.

The person concerned obtained book money totaling 14,350 euros as a result of the offences, which is subject to confiscation of compensation in accordance with § 73, 73c StGBb.

The accused was therefore a suspect,

having been involved in a public game of chance

and thus to have committed the following offence(s):

Participation in unauthorized gambling pursuant to §285 StGB.

The above-mentioned mtorero of the confiscation has obtained book money in the amount of 14,350 euros through the offense or for the offense (§ 73 para. 1 StGB).

Confiscation of the item(s) is not possible due to its/their nature or for another reason (Section 73c sentence 1 StGB). The book money obtained was placed in the current account of the account and is therefore no longer available as such in the original.

According to Sections 73c, 73d StGB, the value of the money obtained is EUR 14,350.

The requirements for independent confiscation under Section 76a StGB are met:
The proceedings for the offense were discontinued in accordance with a provision that permits this at the discretion of the public prosecutor or the court or by agreement of both (Section 76a (3) StGB). The proceedings against mtorero were discontinued by order dated 16.02.2024 in accordance with 153 para. 1 StPO.

The conviction is based on
§§ 7 - 13, 436 StPO, §§ 24 para. 1, 25 no. 2 GVG of the Munich District Court - Criminal Judge.

It is requested,

1. to open the independent confiscation proceedings - criminal judge,
1. to order the confiscation of compensation in the amount of 14,200 euros against the person affected by the confiscation (§§ 436 Para. 2, 434 Para. 2 StPO),
1. to decide by order (sections 436 (2), 434 (2) of the Code of Criminal Procedure) and
1. to order that mtorero be involved in the proceedings (sections 435 (3) sentence 2, 424 (1), (4) StPO)



I am actually facing charges on the same legal basis. However, a 2-digit amount is to be taken from me (according to the indictment). 14.200 EUR is yet another house number.

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