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Online Casinos in general: Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value. (Page 7)

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mtorero
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

5th Nov. 2024, at 04:02 pm CET#91
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Druff wrote on 04.11.2024 at 18:45:
First of all GUTS, I hope you are doing well and it stays that way, I definitely keep my fingers crossed that you can avert the skimming of the funds.


You are trying to argue with the evidence that the depositors were higher than the payouts, and to prevent or reduce it, I really hope that you will be successful.

Unfortunately, this is not a tax office or any authority where you can claim expenses, I have a case from a distant acquaintance, it is not quite comparable.

The people in question were engaged in a swingeing illegal trade, which is really quite proper, raids, money, cars, watches etc. seized, proceedings and long prison sentences followed, but the awesome part was that it was also established that so and so much turnover was generated/could be generated, that a total sum in the millions must be paid after imprisonment (completely unrealistic, and thus it is also pre-programmed that the person must reoffend after imprisonment), but expenses, or rather acquisition costs, were not deducted from the required sum, and the attempt would not be successful, I believe.

They simply took the average price demanded, multiplied that by the number of grams that was presumably sold/could be sold and that was then determined, it's a different area but the same in terms of understanding. At least that's roughly how I have it in my head.

As I said, I am seriously keeping my fingers crossed that you are successful, but please don't let yourself be thrown off track if you are not successful.

I would also just like to point this out to you as a precaution so that you don't fall from all clouds, I wish you all the best 🙂

PS: I suspect that if your deposits change, only the Deposit with which the win was achieved would be deducted, all others should/could be classified as irrelevant according to the legislator/collection authority.

It's just a matter of explaining to the Munich public prosecutor's office what should actually be self-evident.

No casino player earns money from gambling, this is ensured by the house advantage of the casinos and you don't have to be a math genius or gambling expert to understand this.

My bank apparently provided the public prosecutor with some bank statements from a short period of time when I had these withdrawals. Because I only deposited with Paysafecard at that time, these deposits are not shown on the account statements. This suggests that I earned money by gambling.
What's more, they're only picking out a short period (6 months) when I had my biggest wins.
If you want to collect compensation, you should at least refer to the entire period in which I 'illegally' gambled and calculate book money from all deposits and withdrawals.

For me, the fact that drug dealers earn good money with their business and this can then be confiscated is completely different from stealing from players who have gambled away their money in EU-licensed casinos by now wanting to take away their wins afterwards, which in the long run have only slightly reduced their losses.

In addition to Red Rhino and Pandamedia, Rabbit Entertainment Ltd. is also mentioned in my application. Why do I poor player have to return payouts from there to the judiciary while this group has taken money from x players in the same period and received the German rip-off license as a reward shortly afterwards? Not that I don't begrudge them it, but it's all a joke what's being pulled off here.

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Druff
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

5th Nov. 2024, at 05:37 pm CET#92
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mtorero wrote on 05.11.2024 at 16:02:

It's just about explaining to the Munich public prosecutor's office what should actually be self-evident.

No casino player earns money from gambling, the house advantage of the casinos takes care of that and you don't have to be a math genius or gambling expert to understand that.

My bank apparently provided the public prosecutor with some bank statements from a short period of time when I had these withdrawals. Because I only deposited with Paysafecard at that time, these deposits are not shown on the account statements. This suggests that I earned money by gambling.
What's more, they're only picking out a short period (6 months) when I had my biggest wins.
If you want to collect compensation, you should at least refer to the entire period in which I 'illegally' gambled and calculate book money from all deposits and withdrawals.

For me, the fact that drug dealers earn good money with their business and this can then be confiscated is completely different from stealing from players who have gambled away their money in EU-licensed casinos by now wanting to take away their wins afterwards, which in the long run have only slightly reduced their losses.

In addition to Red Rhino and Pandamedia, Rabbit Entertainment Ltd. is also mentioned in my application. Why do I poor player have to return payouts from there to the judiciary while this group has taken money from x players in the same period and received the German rip-off license as a reward shortly afterwards? Not that I don't begrudge them it, but it's all a joke what's being pulled off here.


It's quite clear to me that you don't earn any money with it, and please don't get me wrong, I'm keeping my fingers crossed and I'm on your side, I hope it works as you've planned. I'm just skeptical.

And the comparison with the drug Dealer is not really something completely different, if you are arrested with 10 kg, you also have acquisition costs, you don't get it for free.

And precisely these costs/depositors should be calculated/deducted on what basis?

I wonder on what basis, or is it supposed to prove your expenses and show that money has flowed there and there, and nothing is left and you have stopped playing on these platforms, and it is quasi asked for "mercy/mildness" and appealed to the moral/ethical side ? 🤔

That's kind of the only thing I could imagine your legal counsel trying to do.

But just using the transaction history, where all deposits and withdrawals are generally visible, should be legally insignificant and irrelevant, for which violations can you practically negotiate out expenses to commit them and reduce the amount?

I really hope the best for you and keep my fingers crossed. And yes, I completely agree with you on the point that it's all a bad joke.

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Stromberg
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

5th Nov. 2024, at 06:12 pm CET#93
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mtorero wrote on 05.11.2024 at 16:02:


In addition to Red Rhino and Pandamedia, Rabbit Entertainment Ltd. is also mentioned in my application. Why do I poor player have to return payouts from there to the judiciary while this group has taken money from x players in the same period and got the German rip-off license as a reward shortly afterwards? Not that I don't begrudge them it, but it's all a joke what's being pulled off here.


Please tell us the explanation from the public prosecutor's office and the court about this if you can put forward this argument... There will probably be squirming and wrestling like at the BPK when critical questions are asked... 😂

Of course, I hope even more that there will be no trial at all and that they will refrain from this nonsense.

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frapi07
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

5th Nov. 2024, at 06:36 pm CET#94
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Druff wrote on 05.11.2024 at 17:37:
Since you don't make any money with it I'm well aware, and please don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for you and I'm on your side, I hope it works as you have planned. I'm just skeptical.

And the comparison with the drug Dealer is not really something completely different, if you are arrested with 10 kg, you also have acquisition costs, you don't get it for free.

And precisely these costs/depositors should be calculated/deducted on what basis?

I wonder on what basis, or is it supposed to prove your expenses and show that money has flowed there and there, and nothing is left and you have stopped playing on these platforms, and it is quasi asked for "mercy/mercy" and appealed to the moral/ethical side ? 🤔

That's kind of the only thing I could imagine your legal counsel trying to do.

But just using the transaction history, where all deposits and withdrawals are generally visible, should be legally insignificant and irrelevant, for which violations can you practically negotiate out expenses to commit them and reduce the amount?

I really hope the best for you and keep my fingers crossed. And yes, I completely agree with you on the point that it's all a bad joke.

None of this makes any sense. I could ask you the following question now and I'm sure you won't be able to give a proper answer.

Why are only 6 months included and not all months? He has been playing for decades and surely he will have received other wins. The other wins should also be included, or am I making a mistake? The transactions are all documented, so they wouldn't even be estimates. Is a public prosecutor only allowed to cherry-pick or what?

I also wonder why the other culprit is not punished. There are many casinos that have fraudulently deceived players by making them believe that they have levied the German gambling tax. As a result, many players believed they were playing in legal casinos. So it is not only the player who is to blame, but the players are the only ones who are punished here.


This is arbitrariness, that's all it is.

It can actually be interpreted as a retrial, because that's all it is. It is about the same facts and the same person. However, a retrial is only possible under certain conditions. These are very strictly regulated. But I'm not a lawyer - that's just my opinion.

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mtorero
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

5th Nov. 2024, at 06:55 pm CET#95
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Druff wrote on 05.11.2024 at 17:37:
Since you don't make any money with it I'm well aware, and please don't get me wrong, I'm rooting for you and I'm on your side, I hope it works as you have planned. I'm just skeptical.

And the comparison with the drug Dealer is not really something completely different, if you are arrested with 10 kg, you also have acquisition costs, you don't get it for free.

And precisely these costs/depositors should be calculated/deducted on what basis?

I wonder on what basis, or is it supposed to prove your expenses and show that money has flowed there and there, and nothing is left and you have stopped playing on these platforms, and it is quasi asked for "mercy/mildness" and appealed to the moral/ethical side ? 🤔

That's kind of the only thing I could imagine your legal counsel trying to do.

But just using the transaction history, where all deposits and withdrawals are generally visible, should be legally insignificant and irrelevant, for which violations can you practically negotiate out expenses to commit them and reduce the amount?

I really hope the best for you and keep my fingers crossed. And yes, I completely agree with you on the point that it's all a bad joke.

We're not going to agree here. The drug dealer (if he's not being completely stupid) always makes a win. The casino player, on the other hand, always makes a loss.

I can prove all my losses in black and white.
Apart from that, you shouldn't compare someone who has played in an EU-licensed casino with drug dealers who accept that their customers suffer serious physical harm or even death.
In your comparison, the casinos are the drug dealers who always make a win. So why are they not punished?

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