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Online Casinos in general: Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value. (Page 5)

Topic created on 30th Sep. 2024 | Page: 5 of 8 | Answers: 109 | Views: 15,191
McFly02
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

19th Oct. 2024, at 01:37 pm CEST#61
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Unfortunately, I cannot reply to the private messages. Yes, I have 1 to 1 the same letter as mtorero also from Munich, it is about wins that have allegedly been paid out in a period of time, you want to collect this amount by order if it comes to a main hearing.
In my case, the preliminary proceedings were also discontinued beforehand.

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frapi07
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

19th Oct. 2024, at 03:00 pm CEST#62
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McFly02 wrote on 19.10.2024 at 13:37: Unfortunately I cannot reply to the private messages. Yes, I have 1 to 1 the same letter as mtorero also from Munich, it is about wins that have allegedly been paid out in a period of time, you want to collect this amount by order if it comes to a main hearing.
In my case, the preliminary proceedings were also discontinued beforehand.

If he hasn't written to you yet, I can write to him privately and make him aware of this.

However, your case confirms my suspicion that (at least in Bavaria) these letters come exclusively from this public prosecutor or only from the local court in Munich.


Let's wait and see if more cases become known and whether they all come from Munich.

May I ask how much they are "claiming" from you?

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McFly02
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

19th Oct. 2024, at 06:53 pm CEST#63
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frapi07 wrote on 19.10.2024 at 15:00:

If he hasn't written to you yet, I can write to him privately and let him know.

However, your case confirms my suspicion that (at least in Bavaria) these letters come exclusively from this public prosecutor or only from the Munich District Court.


Let's wait and see if more cases become known and whether they all come from Munich.

May I ask how much they are "claiming" from you?


Yes, that would be nice if he would get in touch.6000 for me.but these are always small amounts paid out.

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frapi07
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

19th Oct. 2024, at 07:23 pm CEST#64
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McFly02 wrote on 19.10.2024 at 18:53:


Yes that would be nice if he would get in touch.with me it is 6000.but these are always small amounts paid out.

I have written to him. As soon as he comes on, he will definitely see it. Not sure about the thread here because it can disappear from the overview (current topics) after a few days.

I see. Did you Deposit it via bank? mrtorero often deposited via Paysafe cards.

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McFly02
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19th Oct. 2024, at 08:51 pm CEST#65
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I believe both .... I had shredded everything at some point because there were really a lot of bank statements. I don't have any more proof, but I know for a fact that I didn't make this amount of payments in the specified time frame.
That's why it wouldn't be a bad idea to inspect the files, and reprinting costs between €1 and €2.50 per statement, which would also be a reasonable amount to pay.

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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

19th Oct. 2024, at 09:08 pm CEST#66
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McFly02 wrote on 19.10.2024 at 20:51: I think both ....I had shredded everything at some point because there were really a lot of bank statements. I no longer have a single proof, but I know one hundred percent that this amount of payments did not come together in the specified time window.
That's why it wouldn't be a bad idea to inspect the files, and the reprint costs between €1 and €2.50 per statement, which would also be a reasonable amount to pay.

You can also ask the bank if they can give you all the entries on A4 sheets instead of printed statements. I once lost my statements and then had to go to the bank to get them afterwards. Statements would have been very expensive, so my savings bank offered me this version with the A4 sheets. I didn't have to pay for it and it was all printed out at the savings bank counter within 5 minutes.

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frapi07
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

19th Oct. 2024, at 09:33 pm CEST#67
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McFly02 wrote on 19.10.2024 at 20:51: I think both ....I had shredded everything at some point because there were really a lot of bank statements. I no longer have a single proof, but I know one hundred percent that this amount of payments did not come together in the specified time window.
That's why it wouldn't be a bad idea to inspect the files, and reprinting costs between €1 and €2.50 per statement, which would also be a reasonable amount to pay.

I don't know which bank you use, but if Falko's suggestion doesn't work, you could also reprint the account statements yourself. I can display all transactions at my savings bank (both in the app and on the website). Even those from 5 years ago. You just have to save it as a PDF and then print it out. Simply in the copy store. They usually also have packages like 100 for XX€, so you can get away with it cheaply or alternatively at home (if you have a printer).

I only asked about Paysafe because it would be interesting to know whether they also offset losses. I don't think so, because otherwise it would be fair, but you can still hope.

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McFly02
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

20th Oct. 2024, at 08:50 am CEST#68
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i can no longer reprint them online, as the bank had terminated my contract.
And yes, I paid a lot with Paysafecard.
But the losses are not offset in this application in the independent confiscation proceedings, it's supposed to be something like an educational measure and it's supposed to hurt.
For me, the investigation was reason enough to stop gambling and I had myself deleted from the casinos. what interests me more is whether it will then be entered in the extended criminal record, because with the amount, even with Mtorero, it exceeds 90 daily rates. i would be interested to know if his lawyer has already had access to the files.People I have a real stomach ache, because such cases are not yet public, at least not as far as gambling is concerned, and since the investigation has been discontinued, I think that prosecution may be refrained from and the application for confiscation will be enforced, so they will get the money, you feel like a felon.

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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

20th Oct. 2024, at 11:12 am CEST#69
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McFly02 wrote on 20.10.2024 at 08:50: I can no longer reprint them online because the bank had canceled me.
And yes, a lot was paid with Paysafecard.
But in this application in the independent confiscation proceedings, the losses are not offset, it's supposed to be something like an educational measure and it's supposed to hurt.
For me, the investigation was reason enough to stop gambling and I had myself deleted from the casinos. what interests me more is whether it will then be entered in the extended criminal record, because with the amount, even with Mtorero, it exceeds 90 daily rates. i would be interested to know if his lawyer has already had access to the files.People I have a real stomach ache, because such cases are not yet public, at least not as far as gambling is concerned, and since the investigation has been discontinued, I think that prosecution may be refrained from and the application for confiscation will be enforced, so they will get the money, you feel like a felon.

Thanks for the information.

I hope that mrtorero answers you and that his lawyer can put you in touch with him.

Actually, it's a good question. If it were on your criminal record, it would be a scandal because it could destroy many lives.

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Theodor
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

21st Oct. 2024, at 04:26 pm CEST#70
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Just because assets are confiscated does not mean that you will be fined more than 90 daily rates and will therefore be listed on your criminal record. They can also skim off your assets + impose a fine of 80 daily rates, for example

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McFly02
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

21st Oct. 2024, at 05:23 pm CEST#71
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When will you no longer be restricted here in the forum?

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frapi07
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

21st Oct. 2024, at 05:49 pm CEST#72
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McFly02 wrote on 21.10.2024 at 17:23: When will you no longer be restricted here in the forum?

i think from max. 20 posts. Don't know that by heart, sorry.

But serves to protect users, otherwise they will be spammed by fake accs with possible advertising or scams.

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McFly02
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

21st Oct. 2024, at 05:56 pm CEST#73
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Theodor wrote on 21.10.2024 at 16:26: Just because it comes to asset skimming does not mean that the penalty you will receive is over 90 daily rates and that it will therefore be listed in the certificate of good conduct. They can also skim off your assets + impose a fine of e.g. 80 daily rates

Hello Theodor, that would be really tough.
Theodor wrote on 21.10.2024 at 16:26: Just because it comes to asset skimming does not mean that the penalty you will receive is over 90 daily rates and therefore it will be listed in the certificate of good conduct. They can also skim off your assets + impose a penalty of e.g. 80 daily rates


That would be really tough.

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McFly02
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

21st Oct. 2024, at 05:58 pm CEST#74
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frapi07 wrote on October 21st, 2024 at 5:49 pm:

think from max. 20 posts. Don't know that by heart, sorry.

But serves to protect users, otherwise they will be spammed by fake accounts with possible advertising or scams.

Ahhh ok, I see, by the way, a lawyer has contacted me and I should call him tomorrow.

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Theodor
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

21st Oct. 2024, at 06:44 pm CEST#75
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McFly02 wrote on 21.10.2024 at 17:56:


That would be really tough.

So I think from the previous judgments regarding illegal gambling, it is very, very unlikely that they would impose a penalty of 90+ daily rates on you in addition to the skimming and thus appear in your criminal record. So I don't think you need to worry about that. You played with your own money and didn't harm anyone. Don't let them treat you like a felon. It may well be that they skim off your wins, as criminal offenses should never "pay off". I'm curious to see how this develops. Keep us up to date! I hope you get out of this quickly and unscathed!

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