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Online Casinos in general: Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value. (Page 3)

Topic created on 30th Sep. 2024 | Page: 3 of 8 | Answers: 105 | Views: 12,892
mtorero
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

2nd Oct. 2024, at 08:48 am CEST#31
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Thank you for your encouragement, it gives me courage that I have a chance to take action. I feel like a victim here.

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mtorero
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

2nd Oct. 2024, at 08:43 pm CEST#32
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Brief update:

It was not easy to find a lawyer who wanted to take on the matter because this topic is new and special.
Now a law firm in Munich that is particularly active in the gambling sector has offered me help and will represent me.
If I am successful, I will have to pay them around a third of the value (14350Eur). The actual costs for the lawyers' work will be many times higher, but they want to help me and are interested themselves.

What the Attorney General's Office is doing here is not punishment, but theft 😔

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Daniel1988
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

2nd Oct. 2024, at 09:26 pm CEST#33
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mtorero wrote on 02.10.2024 at 20:43: Short update:

It was not easy to find a lawyer who wanted to take on the matter because this topic is new and special.
Now a law firm in Munich that is specifically active in the gambling sector has offered me help and will represent me.
If I am successful, I will have to pay them around a third of the value (14350Eur). The actual costs for the lawyers' work will be many times higher, but they want to help me and are interested themselves.

What the Attorney General's Office is doing here is not punishment, but theft 😔

Unbelievable, this is the first time I've heard anything like this!

The fact that your win of €14,350 is being demanded but your losses are in no way put into perspective is more than brazen.
Looks like someone has just found a job in the public prosecutor's office after law school and wants to make himself important 😏

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frapi07
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

2nd Oct. 2024, at 09:42 pm CEST#34
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Daniel1988 wrote on 02.10.2024 at 21:26:

Unbelievable, I'm hearing something like that for the first time too!

The fact that your win of 14.350€ is demanded but your losses are not put into relation in any way is more than brazen.
It seems that someone has just found a job in the public prosecutor's office after law school and wants to make himself important 😏

I think it's more likely that it's an older person who is very conservative. That's not uncommon in Bavaria (I live in Bavaria myself).

A younger person would certainly be less likely to resort to such means.

You have to imagine: a local court decides to discontinue proceedings and someone there disagrees with this decision and tries a different approach.

That's at least 5k taken out of mrtorero's pocket. No joke, you should be able to sue such people for damages, then they might think three times about whether they want to do that to people.

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Falko
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

2nd Oct. 2024, at 10:06 pm CEST#35
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mtorero wrote on 02.10.2024 at 20:43: Short update:

It was not easy to find a lawyer who wanted to take on the matter because this topic is new and special.
Now a law firm in Munich that is specifically active in the gambling sector has offered me help and will represent me.
If I am successful, I will have to pay them around a third of the value (14350Eur). The actual costs for the lawyers' work will be many times higher, but they want to help me and are interested themselves.

What the Attorney General's Office is doing here is not punishment, but theft 😔

If you win the case, then the court always has to pay all the costs, so shouldn't the court bear the costs of your lawyer in full? You wrote that the law firm wants you to pay a third of the sum in question. Perhaps Saphira can provide some precise clarification here, as she may be quite knowledgeable in this area.

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btssultan
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

2nd Oct. 2024, at 10:13 pm CEST#36
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Falko
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

2nd Oct. 2024, at 10:22 pm CEST#37
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If he ends up having to pay a third, which is around 4,500 euros, to his lawyer instead of these 14,000 euros, then that is still extremely bitter. I also don't understand why almost no lawyer wants to deal with this when there is a judgment where the proceedings have already been dealt with and discontinued. In my opinion, the lawyer who has now been found is really taking advantage of you when he says I want a third of this sum and doesn't calculate the costs by the hour. I don't think you're well advised to go with this lawyer.

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schwede666
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

2nd Oct. 2024, at 10:30 pm CEST#38
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Awesome !!! This is also the first time I've heard this, so I'm lost for words. I hope you get off with a black eye.

Welcome to the banana republic!

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btssultan
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

2nd Oct. 2024, at 10:34 pm CEST#39
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On the other hand, if the Provider still exists, you can reclaim your losses.

This would be proof that it was 100% illegal due to the decision of the public prosecutor's office; the question is where the punishment for the provider remains, since the provider ultimately made it possible for you to commit what the state and the judges call a criminal offense.

From my point of view, the public prosecutor would have to do the same with the aforementioned provider and seize your assets that were lost and wrongfully obtained.

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Falke
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

3rd Oct. 2024, at 06:05 am CEST#40
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mtorero wrote on 02.10.2024 at 20:43: Short update:

It was not easy to find a lawyer who wanted to take on the matter because this topic is new and special.
Now a law firm in Munich that is specifically active in the gambling sector has offered me help and will represent me.
If I am successful, I will have to pay them around a third of the value (14350Eur). The actual costs for the lawyers' work will be many times higher, but they want to help me and are interested themselves.

What the Attorney General's Office is doing here is not punishment, but theft 😔

Then find other lawyers. This is pure rip-off. You normally pay around €800 for a case like this, which the state will cover if you win.


Seriously, don't be taken for a ride. And the fact that they make it look like they're going to meet you with the price is the last straw.

What's more, in this case a simple letter from the lawyer may be enough to get the whole thing put aside. I would never throw so much money at them.

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Daniel1988
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

3rd Oct. 2024, at 07:50 am CEST#41
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frapi07 wrote on 02.10.2024 at 21:42:

I rather think it's an older person who is very conservative. It's not uncommon in Bavaria either (I live in Bavaria myself).

A younger person would certainly be less likely to resort to such means.

You have to imagine: a local court decides to discontinue proceedings and someone there disagrees with this decision and tries a different approach.

That's at least 5k taken out of mrtorero's pocket. No joke, you should be able to sue such people for damages, then they might think three times about whether they want to do that to people.

I come from the Saarland and the courts across the country are more concerned with offenses such as assault and drug abuse 😅

I would be interested to know where the public prosecutor's office got the information about the money they won?
Was it reported by the bank, was it reported?
There is this article here in the news with anonymous tips 🤔

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moralischverwerflich
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

3rd Oct. 2024, at 12:48 pm CEST#42
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mtorero wrote on 02.10.2024 at 20:43: Short update:

It was not easy to find a lawyer who wanted to take on the matter because this topic is new and special.
Now a law firm in Munich that is specifically active in the gambling sector has offered me help and will represent me.
If I am successful, I will have to pay them around a third of the value (14350Eur). The actual costs for the lawyers' work will be many times higher, but they want to help me and are interested themselves.

What the Attorney General's Office is doing here is not punishment, but theft 😔

Far too expensive. This is a rip-off. Lawyers aren't cheap, but this is usury.

You'd better keep looking around.

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frapi07
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

3rd Oct. 2024, at 01:07 pm CEST#43
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Daniel1988 wrote on 03.10.2024 07:50:

I come from the Saarland and nationwide the courts are more concerned with offenses such as assault and drug abuse 😅

I would be interested to know where the public prosecutor's office got the information about the money won?
Was it reported by the bank, was it reported?
There is this article here in the news with anonymous tips 🤔

It won't be much different in Bavaria, but I really believe that there is simply a conservative person behind it. This person won't know much about gambling and co. either, wouldn't be unusual either. Why this person has to make such a racket (the case was dropped and mrtorero didn't have to pay a fine) - that's the question I've been asking myself for a few days now.


Does this person really just want to flush money into the state coffers or does this person demonize gambling in general and see gamblers as serious criminals? Or is there another reason behind it? We'll probably never get an answer to that, but one thing is certain: this is a rare case so far (possibly also a novelty) and I don't understand why lawyers don't want to take on this case. Maybe I just don't have the legal basis and I don't know the details of the case, but from the consumer's point of view it's simply absurd that only the consumer is being punished here, instead of the right people being hunted down, normal people who normally haven't done anything wrong and also pay their taxes normally and are part of society. Several people have criticized this.

Why should a state be entitled to the full amount of the win? I understand that it's about the tax, but if you forget to pay tax, you usually just pay it later + a possible penalty of the same amount is imposed. At least that's the case with customs - i.e. for cigarettes and the like or if you simply exceed the tax-free quantity.

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Stromberg
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

3rd Oct. 2024, at 01:42 pm CEST#44
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frapi07 wrote on 03.10.2024 at 13:07:

Won't be much different in Bavaria, but I really believe that there is simply a conservative person behind it. This person won't know much about gambling and co. either, wouldn't be unusual. Why this person has to make such a racket (the case was dropped and mrtorero didn't have to pay a fine) - that's the question I've been asking myself for a few days now.


Does this person really just want to flush money into the state coffers or does this person demonize gambling in general and see gamblers as serious criminals? Or is there another reason behind it? We'll probably never get an answer to that, but one thing is certain: this is a rare case so far (possibly also a novelty) and I don't understand why lawyers don't want to take on this case. Maybe I just don't have the legal basis and I don't know the details of the case, but from the consumer's point of view it's simply absurd that only the consumer is being punished here, instead of the right people being hunted down, normal people who normally haven't done anything wrong and also pay their taxes normally and are part of society. Several people have criticized this.

Why should a state be entitled to the full amount of the win? I understand that it's about the tax, but if you forget to pay tax, you usually just pay it later + a possible penalty of the same amount is imposed. At least this is the case with customs - i.e. for cigarettes and co. or if you simply exceed the tax-free quantity.

Only one case is known here from the forum, but if I look at the link from Wunderharke, it doesn't seem to be a completely unknown procedure.

That's why I don't think it matters who is behind it, at what age and with what moral convictions and hair color, to demand this payment.

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frapi07
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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

3rd Oct. 2024, at 02:38 pm CEST#45
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Stromberg wrote on 03.10.2024 at 13:42:

You only know the one case here from the forum, but if I look at the link from Wunderharke, it doesn't seem to be something completely unknown this procedure.

That's why I don't think it matters who, at what age and with what moral convictions and hair color, is behind demanding this payment.

Wunderharke hasn't contributed anything here. Do you mean btssultan?

If so: the page was created on 08.08, i.e. barely 2 months ago. So it is apparently quite new and that also explains why some lawyers are so unsure. Perhaps there are no similar cases that have already been concluded. Would make sense, as mrtorero's lawyer is also interested in this.

Well, it doesn't seem to matter to me. I am a person who wants to understand his fellow human beings better and I wonder why one cannot accept a discontinued case and now reopen another case on a different basis, but which involves the same person and the same case. What is the purpose of this? That's my question, because it's not really aimed at anything, except to prepare a person (mrtorero) for further headaches, even though he had enough problems and headaches with the case and had believed for a few months that this nightmare was finally behind him. But I can agree with you on one point: it doesn't matter what age or hair color this person has.

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