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Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.
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You can of course discuss how negligent it was to have played at Platin/Rabbit Entertainment Ltd./PandaMedia (does anyone know which casino there was) in early/mid-2022. Although Rabbit is licensed!
After all, Platin deducted the betting tax and one could assume that they would also get the license like Wunderino, sunmaker or the Rabbit Group.
Because I was able to win something and pay out, I don't think that should be equated with grand theft, although I would have harmed another person.
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Of course not!
I just wanted to make it clear that, unlike with casino reclaims from the customer, I don't believe that loss and win would be offset in such a case or that you don't know it...
Basically, there's not much you can say about it, as you've heard practically nothing about it.
I only chose the example of the thief because you had mentioned it before in a different context...
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Exactly, but I mean that it should be clear to the public prosecutor's office that every player is in the red unless they have won a Jackpot worth millions. The casinos have their house edge and you don't have to be a math genius to understand that.
Of course, it's different with crimes such as theft or drug dealing, where you can make a nice win.
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Don't stress, I have already contacted a lawyer who deals with gambling law and am waiting for his next reply.
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In independent confiscation proceedings pursuant to §435 StPO, §76a para. 1 to 3 StGB against mtorero
Based on its investigations, the Public Prosecutor General's Office assumes the following facts:
On unknown dates before or on 27.01.2022 and 26.07.2022, the person concerned took part in sports betting or casino games organized by Red Rhino Ltd, Panda Media and Rabbit Entertainment Ltd.b, each based in Malta. The player's chance of winning does not depend significantly on the player's attentiveness, skills or knowledge, but solely or mainly on chance. At the time, the companies did not have a license to operate sports betting or casino games in Germany. In the period from 27.01.2022 and 26.07.2022, Red Rhino Ltd, Panda Media and Rabbit Entertainment Ltd paid out wins totaling EUR 14,350 from these sports bets or games.
The person concerned at least accepted the fact that this was a public game of chance for which no license existed in Germany.
The person concerned obtained book money totaling EUR 14,350 as a result of the offences, which is subject to confiscation of compensation pursuant to Sections 73, 73c StGBb.
The accused was therefore a suspect,
having been involved in a public game of chance
and thus to have committed the following offence(s):
Participation in unauthorized gambling pursuant to §285 StGB.
The above-mentioned mtorero of the confiscation has obtained book money in the amount of 14,350 euros through the offense or for the offense (§ 73 para. 1 StGB).
Confiscation of the item(s) is not possible due to its/their nature or for another reason (Section 73c sentence 1 StGB). The book money obtained was placed in the current account of the account and is therefore no longer available as such in the original.
According to Sections 73c, 73d StGB, the value of the money obtained is EUR 14,350.
The requirements for independent confiscation under Section 76a StGB are met:
The proceedings for the offense were discontinued in accordance with a provision that permits this at the discretion of the public prosecutor or the court or by agreement of both (Section 76a (3) StGB). The proceedings against mtorero were discontinued by order dated 16.02.2024 in accordance with 153 para. 1 StPO.
The conviction is in accordance with
§§ 7 - 13, 436 StPO, §§ 24 para. 1, 25 no. 2 GVG of the Munich District Court - Criminal Judge.
It is requested,
1. to open the independent confiscation proceedings - criminal judge,
1. to order the confiscation of compensation in the amount of 14,200 euros against the person affected by the confiscation (§§ 436 Para. 2, 434 Para. 2 StPO),
1. to decide by order (sections 436 (2), 434 (2) of the Code of Criminal Procedure) and
1. to order that mtorero be involved in the proceedings (sections 435 (3) sentence 2, 424 (1), (4) StPO)
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In short, approx. 7 months after my proceedings for involvement in illegal gambling were discontinued, the Munich Local Court picked out the highest payouts from that time and would now like to have the money for itself...
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Where were your proceedings decided? Was it the Munich district court by any chance?
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Yes, Munich Local Court
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As I understand it (I'm not really familiar with legal channels), they decided in your favor and some judge or whatever didn't like it at all and is now trying another way. It's really funny that someone from there of all places is opening another case. I wonder what they're trying to achieve. I really don't think it has any chance. It really seems more like someone is trying to get their way with a cramp.
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Although it was also acquired illegally, our constitutional state is of course always allowed to enrich itself with illegal goods.
It's no different to having a bomb on your property, you have to bear the costs of clearing or removing it, but if you find a treasure, it belongs to the state.
In the best case scenario, you will never have made any verifiable wins and will have no problems paying money to the state.
In any case, keep your fingers crossed that you don't have to pay it back, also because the whole story is still controversial today, or where are all the judgments and penalties from the court against all the providers.
Theoretically, every Provider would have to pay large sums of money for each case that they offered their business illegally in Germany... In fact, nothing is found, they even get licenses from the GGL and can now continue their now legal business practices under newly founded subsidiaries in Germany.
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revolut also changed something today regarding crypto
here the thread: penalties about penalties pay or move out
everything in upheaval somehow
somehow reminds of a fishing net that is now being caught with a mesh size larger than 5000,-
the EU can take a whole country into custody, what are small banks or even big ones
and cryptos are also already on the screen, only the mesh size is larger, I think, because it is more difficult to collect
yesterday "hart aber fair" for what billionaires
now war
life is better without money
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