Online Casinos in general: Public prosecutor's office wants compensation for lost value.

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mtorero wrote on 30.09.2024 at 16:52: As we all know, the state is broke and now wants to get its hands on us hard-working taxpayers.
After my proceedings for involvement in unauthorized gambling were discontinued at the beginning of this year, I received a yellow letter from the Munich District Court today.
At unknown times or on xx.xx.2022 and xx.xx.2022, I received book money in the amount of 14,350 euros for sports betting or casino games from the operators Red Rhino Ltd, Panda Media and Rabbit Entertainment Ltd (the latter have a license...).
An application is now being made:
- To open the independent confiscation proceedings - criminal judge, to order the confiscation of compensation in the amount of 14,200 against the person affected by the confiscation (436 para. 2, 434 para. 2 StPO), to decide by order (436 para. 2, 434 para. 2 StPO) and to order by order that I am to participate in the proceedings (435 para. 3 sentence 2, 424 para. 1, 4 StPO)
Has anyone here already received something like this and do the public prosecutors now want us to pay back every win to the state without even offsetting losses that are logically higher over the years? Do these people still have all their wits about them I have to ask myself?

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mtorero wrote on 30.09.2024 at 16:52: As we all know, the state is broke and now wants to get its hands on us hard-working taxpayers.
After my proceedings for involvement in unauthorized gambling were discontinued at the beginning of this year, I received a yellow letter from the Munich District Court today.
At unknown times or on xx.xx.2022 and xx.xx.2022, I received book money in the amount of 14,350 euros for sports betting or casino games from the operators Red Rhino Ltd, Panda Media and Rabbit Entertainment Ltd (the latter have a license...).
An application is now being made:
- To open the independent confiscation proceedings - criminal judge, to order the confiscation of compensation in the amount of 14,200 against the person affected by the confiscation (436 para. 2, 434 para. 2 StPO), to decide by order (436 para. 2, 434 para. 2 StPO) and to order by order that I am to participate in the proceedings (435 para. 3 sentence 2, 424 para. 1, 4 StPO)
Has anyone here already received something like this and do the public prosecutors now want us to pay back every win to the state without even offsetting losses that are logically higher over the years? Do these people still have all their wits about them, I have to ask myself?

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mtorero wrote on September 30th, 2024 at 5:37 pm:

It is about the proceedings which were discontinued in February 2024.

This is now a conviction (§§ 7 - 13, 436 StPO, §§ 24 para. 1, 25 no. 2 GVG...) and they just want 14,200Eur from me now...

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mtorero wrote on 30.09.2024 at 20:07:
I thought so too. Never heard of this "independent confiscation procedure". Apparently it's to be able to confiscate wins from illegal transactions, whether convicted or not...

In this case, however, the public prosecutor's office simply chose a short period of time when I had a good run of luck and made this win. I have two large, full bin bags in the cellar with used Paysafecards from the last few years. Add to that all the other Deposit methods and you can easily add up to a 6-digit amount with a big minus on the bottom line. Incidentally, a large proportion of the wins from Malta have often gone to state-run German casinos.
As a gambling addict who often had a hard time financially anyway due to his addiction, I am equated with, for example, a car thief who has stolen a vehicle, sold it, made a profit and is supposed to pay back the win. The problem with this in the German justice system in 2024 is that, unlike me, the real criminal car thief will most likely be spared such demands 🤮

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mtorero wrote on 30.09.2024 at 16:52: As we all know, the state is broke and now wants to get its hands on us hard-working taxpayers.
After my proceedings for involvement in unauthorized gambling were discontinued at the beginning of this year, I received a yellow letter from the Munich District Court today.
At unknown times or on xx.xx.2022 and xx.xx.2022, I received book money in the amount of 14,350 euros for sports betting or casino games from the operators Red Rhino Ltd, Panda Media and Rabbit Entertainment Ltd (the latter have a license...).
An application is now being made:
- To open the independent confiscation proceedings - criminal judge, to order the confiscation of compensation in the amount of 14,200 against the person affected by the confiscation (436 para. 2, 434 para. 2 StPO), to decide by order (436 para. 2, 434 para. 2 StPO) and to order by order that I am to participate in the proceedings (435 para. 3 sentence 2, 424 para. 1, 4 StPO)
Has anyone here already received something like this and do the public prosecutors now want us to pay back every win to the state without even offsetting losses that are logically higher over the years? Do these people still have all their wits about them I have to ask myself?

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mtorero wrote on 30.09.2024 at 20:07:
I thought so too. Never heard of this "independent confiscation procedure". Apparently it's to be able to confiscate wins from illegal transactions, whether convicted or not...

In this case, however, the public prosecutor's office simply chose a short period of time when I had a good run of luck and made this win. I have two large, full bin bags in the cellar with used Paysafecards from the last few years. Add to that all the other Deposit methods and you can easily add up to a 6-digit amount with a big minus on the bottom line. Incidentally, a large proportion of the wins from Malta have often gone to state-run German casinos.
As a gambling addict who often had a hard time financially anyway due to his addiction, I am equated with, for example, a car thief who has stolen a vehicle, sold it, made a profit and is supposed to pay back the win. The problem with this in the German justice system in 2024 is that, unlike me, the real criminal car thief will most likely be spared such demands 🤮

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Falko wrote on 30.09.2024 at 22:07:

You can then bring all the used Paysafe cards with you and have them offset the amount. Hopefully they will then have enough money in their coffers to create a fair balance 😀

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