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Online Casinos in general: Problems with Schufa because of online casino? (Page 2)

Topic created on 27th Dec. 2020 | Page: 2 of 3 | Answers: 22 | Views: 22,249
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Xardas wrote on 27.12.2020 at 15:18: Any bank can see the requests of Online Casinos for 4 weeks.
Then they remain visible in Schufa for another year.

Bullshit. Every bank can only see inquiries about credit conditions for 10 days after they are queried. After that, they remain stored for 12 months. Inquiries for identity and age Verification are also stored for 12 months, but no bank has access to them at any time. Please inform before spreading dangerous half-knowledge

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tEquilA
Amateur
blue light wrote on 12/27/2020 at 03:07: Hi everyone,

i am new to the online casino world and have never registered anywhere before, but through Corona and Co. just grabbed me and I came to Wildz and Platincasino. On Wildz I created my account first, but I forgot to enter the day of birth and therefore only entered the month and the year. When I saw that you first have to verify your account with Klarna before you can use WILDZ to its full extent, I noticed during the Verification process that "01" was taken as the day and that was simply wrong. So according to that I cancelled the verification and registered on Platincasino, deposited the first fifty and played just for fun. Got about 260 out of it, but I was really just in it for the entertainment. At 1000 I would have verified and cashed out with my ID and a cover letter with my address and co, but it didn't come to that and I kind of flushed the 260.

Now I have something that worries me a bit though. I read that a Schufa query is done during verification and such (at least that's what it said on Wildz). I currently have no negative entries and consider the topic "Schufa" anyway already very sensitive, because I want to build something in the next few years and this gaming was a one-time thing. I also read on another page then that everything that have anyway zutun with transactions (casinos included) are reported to Schufa.

My question now would be whether I have somehow left a negative impression with banks by gambling, which may later not grant me a loan, because according to their logic I might have potential to be addicted to gambling and therefore not worthy to pay off a loan?

All I see is the "Block account" buttons. Now the question is whether even the blocking of the account is reported somewhere and leaves the impression that one has got oneself into financial distress and therefore had the account blocked? Should I rather write to the support of the respective sites and have the account deleted? How do I get out of it without any problems or do I just worry too much about it unnecessarily?

In the end, there are certainly people who, for example, have a house purchase in progress and still gamble for fun...

Am then quickly stumbled on this forum and hope me helpful answers that might bring a little light into my dark head


Thank you in advance & Merry Christmas belatedly,

Blue light

If a bank doesn't grant you a loan, it's not because you gambled away 20 takken somewhere. For negative Schufa you have to do more. Do not pay bills after Xter reminder, 10 times a day to get credit offers, open 25 bank accounts, etc

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Max_Bet
Expert
Sorry to dig out this old thread, but I couldn't find a more appropriate Schufa title and didn't want to open a new topic.

What is it about?
Once a year, usually at the end of the year, I request this free self-disclosure from Schufa. Simply to see who and what has obtained information about my personal income. I'm just interested, there's nothing else to it.
Yesterday, Saturday, I received the envelope in my letterbox.
I had to realize that in the last year 2024 about !!!20!!! Inquiries were made by casinos about liquidity, address reconciliations etc. Two German casinos, 11 Malta casinos, Skrill and other international payment services.
The number makes me wonder. I was also not aware that the German Schufa file can also be accessed from Malta and from abroad in general. I was not aware of this and I have never read it anywhere in the terms and conditions.

I don't want us to misunderstand each other. I am aware that there are no negative entries, but that information was simply obtained. However, these requests for information have an impact on the Schufa score. This score drops simply because gambling services request your data from Schufa. I was also not aware that you are not informed before this data is requested. I find it frightening that this happens behind your back and that you can't defend yourself against it.

I am really angry about this and would therefore like to warn you. Get this free information and take a look, you might be in for a nasty surprise...

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WithoutWings
Expert

Max_Bet wrote on 17.11.2024 at 08:53: Sorry to dig out this old ham, but I couldn't find a more suitable Schufa title and didn't want to open a new topic.

What is it about?
Once a year, usually at the end of the year, I request this free self-disclosure from Schufa. Simply to see who and what has obtained information about my personal income. I'm just interested, there's nothing else to it.
Yesterday, Saturday, I received the envelope in my letterbox.
I had to realize that in the last year 2024 about !!!20!!! Inquiries were made by casinos about liquidity, address reconciliations etc. Two German casinos, 11 Malta casinos, Skrill and other international payment services.
The number makes me wonder. I was also not aware that the German Schufa file can also be accessed from Malta and from abroad in general. I was not aware of this and I have never read this anywhere in the terms and conditions.

I don't want us to misunderstand each other. I am aware that there are no negative entries, but that information was simply obtained. However, these requests for information have an impact on the Schufa score. This score drops simply because gambling services request your data from Schufa. I was also not aware that you are not informed before this data is requested. I find it frightening that this happens behind your back and that you can't defend yourself against it.

I am really angry about this and would therefore like to warn you. Get this free information and take a look, you might be in for a nasty surprise...

I can't imagine that this will lower your score, I also have the requests that are made as soon as you register. My score has never dropped despite the requests for address verification.

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Kleinkariert
Expert
I am now self-employed, the score didn't really go down as a result of the inquiries. I think it's a rumor that there was no effect at all, but I would say it was 0.2 less after all the requests. What bothered me was that some casinos seem to routinely make these requests, even though I hadn't played for ages and only play very rarely now.

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WithoutWings
Expert

Kleinkariert wrote on 17.11.2024 at 15:16: I'm now self-employed, the score didn't really go down due to the requests. I think it's a rumor without any effect, but I would say it was 0.2 less after all the requests. What bothered me was that some casinos seem to routinely make these requests, even though I hadn't played for ages and now only play very rarely.

Yes, I can confirm that, some providers ask for my data again every year without me still being active there.

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Falko
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Max_Bet wrote on 17.11.2024 at 08:53: Sorry to dig out this old ham, but I couldn't find a more suitable Schufa title and didn't want to open a new topic.

What is it about?
Once a year, usually at the end of the year, I request this free self-disclosure from Schufa. Simply to see who and what has obtained information about my personal income. I'm just interested, there's nothing else to it.
Yesterday, Saturday, I received the envelope in my letterbox.
I had to realize that in the last year 2024 about !!!20!!! Inquiries were made by casinos about liquidity, address reconciliations etc. Two German casinos, 11 Malta casinos, Skrill and other international payment services.
The number makes me wonder. I was also not aware that the German Schufa file can also be accessed from Malta and from abroad in general. I was not aware of this and I have never read this anywhere in the terms and conditions.

I don't want us to misunderstand each other. I am aware that there are no negative entries, but that information was simply obtained. However, these requests for information have an impact on the Schufa score. This score drops simply because gambling services request your data from Schufa. I was also not aware that you are not informed before this data is requested. I find it frightening that this happens behind your back and that you can't defend yourself against it.

I am really angry about this and would therefore like to warn you. Get this free information and take a look, you might be in for a nasty surprise...

This also shows how easy it would be for the state to find out which people are playing in casinos that don't have a German license. If someone only deposits and withdraws with crypto and believes that they are completely safe, then casinos outside of Germany would also be able to gain insight from the Schufa. I also find what you've written here very frightening.

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gamble1
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Falko wrote on 17.11.2024 at 16:50:

But this also shows how easy it would be for the state to find out which people are playing in casinos that do not have a German license. If someone only deposits and withdraws with crypto and believes that they are completely safe, then casinos outside Germany would also be able to gain insight from the Schufa. I also find what you've written here very frightening.

I think only EU providers can carry out queries there, as there are also loans from EU member states that have to be secured accordingly. This does not protect against casinos from Malta, but in my opinion, the widespread providers from Curacao should not simply have access to such queries.


Apart from that, who will tell them that it is not an old account that has been queried by a Malta casino such as XYZ? They first have to prove that you played there after the ban. This is usually done by providing proof of transactions that were sent directly from the bank to the casino.

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Stromberg
Legend
gamble1 wrote on 18.11.2024 at 00:06:

I think only EU providers can run queries there, as there are also loans from EU member states that need to be secured accordingly. This does not protect against casinos from Malta, but in my opinion the widespread providers from Curacao should not simply have access to such queries.


Apart from that, who will tell them that it is not an old account that has been queried by a Malta casino such as XYZ? They first have to prove that you played there after the ban. This is usually done by providing proof of transactions that were sent directly from the bank to the casino.

In the end, there are many more questions, such as to what extent the state can even access it, etc.


But I think Falko's objection is entirely justified.
Even if it is not direct proof, it could be a clue in case of doubt.

Nobody would have expected that some players would have such massive problems with stories like the confiscation of assets etc. Who knows what will happen when the state smells money...

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gamble1
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Stromberg wrote on 18.11.2024 at 08:55:
In the end, there are many more questions, to what extent can the state access it at all, etc.?


But I think Falko's objection is quite justified.
Even if it's not direct proof, it could be a clue in case of doubt.

Nobody would have expected that some players would have such massive problems with stories like the confiscation of assets etc. Who knows what will happen when the state smells money...

Of course, we can't all know 100%, but I wanted to try and take a sober look at the situation. Of course, I could be completely wrong in my assessment, because participating in illegal gambling is, for better or worse, a criminal offense, and what they can and are allowed to do in the fight against it is usually very flexible.

Either way, I think the whole Schufa construct is important, but still very questionable in terms of how it is implemented. I find the 10,000 queries from Online Casinos even more strange. Something like that shouldn't actually be in the Schufa at all, because creditworthiness and gambling are unfortunately a contradiction in very many cases, apart from occasional gamblers and people with a lot of self-control.


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