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Online Casinos in general: Preliminary proceedings - involvement in illegal gambling

Topic created on 07th Mar. 2024 | Page: 1 of 4 | Answers: 49 | Views: 8,796
Solos1995
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Preliminary proceedings - involvement in illegal gambling

7th Mar. 2024, at 07:45 pm CET#1
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Hello dear community,

I have just opened a letter from the public prosecutor's office.

"Dear Mr. XXX,
charges have been filed against you. You are accused of having committed criminal offenses in XXX since XXX 2021 (accusation: participation in illegal gambling)."

I'm in total shock right now and don't know what to do. Does anyone have any experience with this? I usually only read about summonses from the police. But here the letter came from the public prosecutor's office.

Greetings
Solos

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Andre
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Preliminary proceedings - involvement in illegal gambling

7th Mar. 2024, at 08:26 pm CET#2
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Hello Solos and welcome to our team,

you are welcome to take a look at our news article: News article
Other users have also experienced similar cases: Forum

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Solos1995
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Preliminary proceedings - involvement in illegal gambling

7th Mar. 2024, at 08:29 pm CET#3
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Andre wrote on 07.03.2024 at 20:26: Moin Solos and welcome to us,

you are welcome to have a look at our news article: News article
Otherwise, other users have already experienced similar cases: Forum

Hello Andre,


Thank you for your quick reply. In the articles I found here, there was only ever contact from the police. However, the public prosecutor's office contacted me.

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Andre
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Preliminary proceedings - involvement in illegal gambling

7th Mar. 2024, at 08:48 pm CET#4
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The StA will only contact you directly if the proceedings are discontinued. Before that, you must have had the opportunity to comment on the incident through a police authority. What does the letter say?

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Solos1995
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Preliminary proceedings - involvement in illegal gambling

7th Mar. 2024, at 08:57 pm CET#5
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Andre wrote on 07.03.2024 at 20:48: The StA will actually only contact you directly if the proceedings are discontinued. Before that, you must have had the opportunity to comment on the incident through a police authority. What does the letter say?


I've never heard anything from the police before. I assume that Commerzbank reported me. They terminated my account in July 2022 with effect from October 2022.


The letter from the public prosecutor's office doesn't say anything else. Except that I have been reported and accused of having participated in illegal gambling since XXX 2021.

And that I have 14 days to respond.

But the letter is already 14 days old and I received it in my letterbox today.

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frapi07
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Preliminary proceedings - involvement in illegal gambling

7th Mar. 2024, at 10:27 pm CET#6
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Solos1995 wrote on 07.03.2024 at 20:57:

I never heard from the police before. I assume that Commerzbank has reported me. They terminated my account in July 2022 with effect from October 2022.


The letter from the public prosecutor's office doesn't say anything else. Except that I have been reported and accused of having participated in illegal gambling since XXX 2021.

And that I have 14 days to respond.

But the letter is already 14 days old and I received it in my letterbox today.

Delivery is important for letters. It doesn't really matter when it was written. If you received it today, then you have 2 weeks from today.

Was it a yellow letter? I wouldn't worry about normal letters.

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Solos1995
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Preliminary proceedings - involvement in illegal gambling

7th Mar. 2024, at 10:34 pm CET#7
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frapi07 wrote on 07.03.2024 at 22:27:

Delivery is important for letters. It doesn't really matter when it was written. If you received it today, then you have 2 weeks from today.

Was it a yellow letter? I wouldn't worry about normal letters.

Thanks for your reply.


It was a normal white letter.

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Rainmann
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Preliminary proceedings - involvement in illegal gambling

7th Mar. 2024, at 11:00 pm CET#8
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Solos1995 wrote on 07.03.2024 at 20:57:

I've never heard from the police before. I assume that Commerzbank has reported me. They canceled my account in July 2022 with effect from October 2022.


The letter from the public prosecutor's office doesn't say anything else. Except that I have been reported and accused of having participated in illegal gambling since XXX 2021.

And that I have 14 days to respond.

But the letter is already 14 days old and I received it in my letterbox today.

The matter was too long ago, you probably won't be able to remember it 😉

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frapi07
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Preliminary proceedings - involvement in illegal gambling

8th Mar. 2024, at 12:37 am CET#9
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Solos1995 wrote on 07.03.2024 at 22:34:

Thank you for your reply.


It was a normal white letter.

I'm not a lawyer now, so I would ask that you don't rely 100% on my posts.

I would not panic. If you have the option, then I would consult a lawyer. Personally, I wouldn't pay any money for that. At least with normal letters you don't have to hurry yet and can wait and see what happens. It's a different story with yellow letters. If you violate the StVO, the notice usually comes in a normal envelope. If you ignore this, you will receive a yellow letter. No money will be demanded from you in the letter anyway. You are only given the opportunity to comment on the case. But I wouldn't comment on it alone.

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Solos1995
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8th Mar. 2024, at 09:03 am CET#10
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frapi07 wrote on 08.03.2024 00:37:

Am not a lawyer now, so I would ask that you don't rely on my posts 100%.

I wouldn't panic. If you have the option, then I would consult a lawyer. Personally, I wouldn't pay any money for that. At least with normal letters you don't have to hurry yet and can wait and see what happens. It's a different story with yellow letters. If you violate the StVO, the notice usually comes in a normal envelope. If you ignore this, you will receive a yellow letter. No money will be demanded from you in the letter anyway. You are only given the opportunity to comment on the case. However, I would not comment on this alone.

The question I ask myself is whether it's worth hiring a lawyer now to get access to the files. Or should I wait until the public prosecutor's office contacts me again?


In all the cases from various forums, the proceedings were always dropped in the end.

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frapi07
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Preliminary proceedings - involvement in illegal gambling

8th Mar. 2024, at 09:11 am CET#11
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Solos1995 wrote on 08.03.2024 09:03:

The question I ask myself is, is it worth hiring a lawyer now to get access to the files. Or should I wait until the public prosecutor's office gets in touch again?


In all the cases from various forums, the proceedings were always dropped in the end.

I wouldn't use a lawyer yet. But I can't say whether that is wise. I have not yet received such a letter.

Yes, most of the cases I've seen here have been dropped. There was also one case where the accused actually had to pay a fine.

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Playmaus
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Preliminary proceedings - involvement in illegal gambling

8th Mar. 2024, at 09:58 am CET#12
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Let me ask you a question .... When you read something like this, you get a bit of a shiver, can you also be reported if you play in illegal casinos and pay out to e-wallets?
Or can they only trace you if you pay out directly to your bank account, or do you have to be reported by your own bank first, or can they already trace you if you are registered on such a site and simply play?

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Stromberg
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Preliminary proceedings - involvement in illegal gambling

8th Mar. 2024, at 10:07 am CET#13
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Playmaus wrote on 08.03.2024 at 09:58: Let me ask you a question ...When you read something like this, you get a little shiver. can a report also be made if you play in illegal casinos and pay out to e-wallets?
Or can they only trace it if you pay out directly to your bank account? or do you have to report it to your own bank first? or can they already trace it if you are registered on such a site and simply play?

I believe that these reports mainly come from banks and probably mainly from house banks etc.


Theoretically, wallets could also report something like this, but the operators are usually not based in Germany and probably have little interest in doing so, as they also earn money from the transactions and knowingly offer them. They themselves know that these are basically illegal. Psc, for example, can no longer be used in casinos without a license or has at least withdrawn from some of them.

I would rule out the possibility that players or their PCs or cell phones or IP addresses are directly "monitored".

But that's just my assessment, I can't tell you exactly. In any case, it's no longer worth it to me and since then I've been concentrating on sports betting and the occasional 10 in DE casinos.

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Anonymus
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Preliminary proceedings - involvement in illegal gambling

8th Mar. 2024, at 12:48 pm CET#14
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Hi Solos! A question for you... in your letter they talk about 2021... your bank gave you notice in mid-2022 and only now is a letter coming? The question I ask myself - have you continued to gamble since then, from your other bank until today and at unlicensed casinos? Did you gamble with very large sums?
i ask myself 2 questions..., 1. if this really came from Commerzbank back then, why is this letter only now reaching you? And secondly, if it's not from Commerzbank but from your current bank, how do they know that you've been doing this since 2021? Again, they would have to
have obtained information from Commerzbank?

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Donnie
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Preliminary proceedings - involvement in illegal gambling

8th Mar. 2024, at 01:01 pm CET#15
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Off to the brig with you. Just don't drop the soap🤣😉 Honestly, I would tear up a letter like that and make confetti out of it, as long as the letter wasn't delivered to me personally, i.e. with a signature, etc., I never received it. Apart from that, you'd be better off using e-wallets or crypto, as it's illegal to play with unlicensed providers in Germany. It's also pretty perverse when your bank tells you where you leave your money so that they can work with it. Yes, there are laws and blah blah blah, but you don't have to tell the authorities directly. A little warning in advance to refrain from the whole thing would do the trick. But some bourgeois who was teased too often as a child has probably shown again what a great pike he is for snitching on people

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