Preliminary proceedings as a defendant for unauthorized gambling

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Lukas7522

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Preliminary proceedings as a defendant for unauthorized gambling

20th Jul. 2023, at 10:50 pm CEST#1

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Good evening everyone,
And I wanted to ask for help or advice what I should do now.
I have received a letter from the police on 19.07.2023 and will be summoned for 24.07.2023.
The letter says the following:

In the preliminary investigation for involvement in illegal gambling is intended to hear them as a defendant. For this purpose, you are requested to appear at the police station on 24.07.2023 and to present this summons.

If the appointment can not be perceived,
We ask for notification.

The following documents are required for the interrogation:

Identity document

Documents Brite AB, Fairload Ltd., INPAY AS, Paysafe Payment, Zimpler AB u a

That's all it says.

I have the assumption that this is with the KSK zutuen has me last year in November my account Gekündigt because of a credit of 3000 € from a foreign account where with gambling zutuen has without the licenses was said at that time in the letter of the bank.

But from the credit was not rauszulesen whether it is about slots or other I said at the time that I won the 3000 € with sports betting.

The bank did not care and the cancellation was carried out which I found not too bad because the KSK is a shit store anyway.

On the Internet I have found several times the same problem but there was in the summons each time the exact date given when the illicit gambling should have taken place this is not the case with me?

What should I do best ? I will in any case not all my wallets or my online banking to the police hand over because I would be pretty stupid haha

Since the account with the 3000€ credit no longer exists, they have but actually no evidence that it has taken place or?

I am grateful for any advice ect I really do not know what to do

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TWiSTeD

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Preliminary proceedings as a defendant for unauthorized gambling

20th Jul. 2023, at 10:58 pm CEST#2

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I would then rather seek advice from a lawyer.

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Falko

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20th Jul. 2023, at 11:23 pm CEST#3

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Keep in mind that every statement you make to the police can and will be used against you as soon as it comes to a court case. It is quite possible that it is not enough because of lack of evidence and they hope that you will talk to the police, which will then be considered as sufficient evidence for the court. The police officer who interrogates you will first of all explicitly point out that everything you say can be used against you. The best thing is to say nothing at all, then you will be sent home. Then you just wait and see if it comes to a court case at all. If you actually receive a summons from the court, then you go to a lawyer and get advice. In any case, at the appointment at the police station, tape your mouth completely shut.

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Falko

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20th Jul. 2023, at 11:31 pm CEST#4

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He asks you questions, you answer, everything is then typed into a computer and printed out after the interview. Then you get a pen in your hand and have to sign it. Then everything is handed over to the court and they decide if it is enough for an indictment. So as you can see, you can only lose if you are cooperative.

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20th Jul. 2023, at 11:32 pm CEST#5

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You do not have to go to the police as a defendant. Nor do you have to cancel.
And you certainly do not have to hand over any documents to the police.
Stay away from the appointment and see if anything comes up afterwards.
Then, in case of doubt, you can hire a lawyer.

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Lukas7522

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Preliminary proceedings as a defendant for unauthorized gambling

20th Jul. 2023, at 11:38 pm CEST#6

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Thanks for the quick responses I am also of the opinion that if I go there can only lose because they try of course that I admit it. I think I call tomorrow at the station and cancel the appointment as it is in the letter or? Especially the fact that they want to have insight into my existing wallets such as Skrill ect unsettles me quite to show up there 😅

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ruhrpott

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Preliminary proceedings as a defendant for unauthorized gambling

20th Jul. 2023, at 11:41 pm CEST#7

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Lukas7522 wrote on 20.07.2023 at 23:38: Thanks for the quick answers I am also of the opinion that wen I go there can only lose since they try of course that I admit it. I think I call tomorrow at the station and cancel the appointment as it says in the letter or ? Especially the fact that they want to have insight into my existing wallets like Skrill ect unsettles me quite to show up there 😅

No, do not call!

You don't have to cancel appointments as a defendant. Just stay away from the appointment.
Wait to see if a letter comes from the prosecutor's office, and then take it to a lawyer.
And until then, put this matter out of your mind and don't deal with it.

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Preliminary proceedings as a defendant for unauthorized gambling

21st Jul. 2023, at 12:31 am CEST#8

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As some have already said: it is best not to comply with the subpoena and not to give any information. You are not legally obliged to appear or give any information when you receive a summons from the police. In this respect, you can safely ignore it. The situation is different if the summons is issued by the public prosecutor's office. You have to comply with it. In your case, however, I would definitely consult a lawyer in good time, who would then cancel the appointment with the police for you, stating that you are exercising your right to remain silent and will therefore not appear. This has at least a polite formal character. At the same time, the lawyer can then directly request an inspection of the files, which is helpful to find out what exactly you are accused of and what it is based on. Good luck to you.

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Lukas7522

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Preliminary proceedings as a defendant for unauthorized gambling

21st Jul. 2023, at 12:38 am CEST#9

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Ok so I will do it tomorrow will contact the right lawyer for this matter and see what comes out.
I will write here sooner or later what came out.

Thanks for the help

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Preliminary proceedings as a defendant for unauthorized gambling

21st Jul. 2023, at 02:02 pm CEST#10

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Lukas7522 wrote on 21.07.2023 at 00:38 clock: Ok so I will do it will contact tomorrow the right lawyer for this matter and see what comes out.
I will write here sooner or later what came out.

Thanks for the help

Save yourself the cost of the lawyer.

Just don't go to the appointment (don't worry, nothing will happen), every lawyer will advise you not to go there.

If - as most here also say - what comes from the prosecutor's office, then first lawyer beautragen.

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21st Jul. 2023, at 02:52 pm CEST#11

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But I honestly didn't know that you can just stay at home when a police summons is in the mailbox. I thought that would be mandatory to show up there or at least to react Short googling: every hit confirms your statement. (which I also did not doubt)

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Preliminary proceedings as a defendant for unauthorized gambling

21st Jul. 2023, at 02:55 pm CEST#12

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Why don't you do like our chancellor and say you can't remember anything. It's been too long.

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21st Jul. 2023, at 02:57 pm CEST#13

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bigbig wrote on 21.07.2023 at 14:55: Do it like our chancellor and say you can't remember anything. Is too long ago.

aufjedenfall! but only ifs so far!

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21st Jul. 2023, at 03:54 pm CEST#14

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I would first not perceive the summons because as some have already said you can only harm yourself because it is the police abundantly indifferent whether you defend yourself they have received a complaint and investigate now they do not decide whether you are guilty or innocent no matter what you say or present there

I would and that's just my personal opinion go to a lawyer and that should first ask the police to inspect the files then you know first what they know because just wait I also think is pretty stupid because the time you waste with just waiting you can already once use for your defense if nothing comes ok then you pay a few euros for the lawyer but if something comes the lawyer has already had more time to develop possible defense strategies which can sometimes be enough for a prosecutor to let you get away with the raised index finger

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Falko

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Preliminary proceedings as a defendant for unauthorized gambling

21st Jul. 2023, at 04:35 pm CEST#15

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bigbig wrote on 21.07.2023 at 14:55: Do it like our chancellor and say you can't remember anything. Is too long ago.

Or he goes and then says I have only one thing to say about it > I scholze now

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