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Online Casinos in general: Platincasino Bonus Foolery (Page 17)

Topic created on 17th Apr. 2023 | Page: 17 of 22 | Answers: 329 | Views: 32,074
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28th May. 2023, at 01:05 am CEST#241
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Falcon wrote on 27.05.2023 at 23:22:

You're right about that, of course. You just listed why they won't do it, which brings us back to my main point: They earn themselves silly with the suffering of others. And that's exactly why I'm so angry at all the casinos.


Not against gambling in general. Who wants to gamble, should do so and gladly as much or as little money as he wants. But for people who have an addiction, there should be ways to lock quickly and easily, everything else is hypocrisy, when the casinos talk about Player protection is just laughable.

The big money does not come from the people who can control themselves, but from the gambling addicts, of which there are more than enough. I would even go so far as to say that probably over 50% of gamblers exhibit addictive behavior, in one form or another. Gambling addiction has different levels. One gambles away house and home and the other "only" the money he has left at the end of the month. There are also addicts who can control themselves halfway and so on.
But it is and remains an addiction, a disease. And the casinos, or better said, the authorities, which do not offer any real player protection, nourish this disease and promote it quite deliberately.

To me, Curacao and the MGA are criminal associations that provide casino protection instead of player protection. I don't even want to know how much money flows under the table, or how many lobbyists of the casinos sit directly in the committees and have a say.

Sure and I understand your anger towards casinos, however, is also as others have addressed here not the only industry that earn their golden nose with addicts. Your second and third paragraphs can be used for any consumer product that can cause addiction. Sure, the state is trying to fight the tobacco industry, e.g. by increasing the price of cigarettes, but for me personally, these few cents are not good enough. It doesn't stop anyone from smoking. I mean, whether I spend 8€ or 8.30€ on it doesn't matter and won't hurt most people enough to stop. Casinos are by no means better, I'm not saying that, but they are not the only ones in our world who have gotten rich off the health (casinos can also damage your health - mental health) of others.

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28th May. 2023, at 02:41 am CEST#242
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frapi07 wrote on 28.05.2023 at 01:05:

Sure and I understand your anger towards casinos, however, also as others have addressed here is not the only industry that makes its buck off addicts. Your second and third paragraph can be taken for any consumer product that can cause addiction. Sure, the state is trying to fight the tobacco industry, e.g. by increasing the price of cigarettes, but for me personally, these few cents are not good enough. It doesn't stop anyone from smoking. I mean, whether I spend 8€ or 8.30€ on it doesn't matter and won't hurt most people enough to stop. Casinos are by no means better, I'm not saying that, but they are not the only ones in our world who have gotten rich off the health (casinos can also damage your health - mental health) of others.

Sure, we agree. The discussion here only got out of hand because someone got upset about my statement that casinos deliberately make money from the suffering of others and that the authorities also deliberately promote this. I have not said much more from the beginning. I am fully aware that nothing will change in terms of player protection. But I can't take all the moralists here who get upset when someone asks for their money back seriously.


I don't feel sorry for any casino that has to pay back money. On the contrary, I'm even pleased and I hope that many more payments have to be made. It's just a small drop in the bucket when it comes to establishing at least a little fairness.

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28th May. 2023, at 02:04 pm CEST#243
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Falcon wrote on 28.05.2023 at 02:41:
Sure, we agree. After all, the discussion here only got so out of hand because someone got upset about my statement that casinos deliberately make money off the suffering of others and that the authorities deliberately encourage it. I have not said much more from the beginning. I am fully aware that nothing will change in terms of player protection. But I can't take all the moralists here who get upset when someone asks for their money back seriously.


I don't feel sorry for any casino that has to pay back money. On the contrary, I'm even happy about it and I hope that many more payments will have to be made. It's just a small drop in the bucket when it comes to creating at least a little fairness.

But just out of curiosity, do you really think the casinos will be left holding the bag? Would it still be fair if the reclaimed money is collected from the 99% who play fair without reclaiming? Now I do not mean streamers but completely normal players like you and me

I don't want to start the topic again but I would be interested in your point of view because I find an extreme view in both directions not ok

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28th May. 2023, at 02:12 pm CEST#244
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By the way, if you Deposit one or more k per month in casinos, you are not a normal gambler but a gambling addict.

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28th May. 2023, at 02:36 pm CEST#245
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gamble1 wrote on 28.05.2023 at 14:04:
But just out of curiosity do you really think the casinos are stuck with the damage ? Would it still be fair if the reclaimed money is collected from the 99% who play fair without reclaiming ? I mean now not streamers but completely normal players like you and me

I don't want to start this topic again but I would like to know your point of view because I don't think an extreme view in both directions is ok

I honestly don't really understand your question.


The casinos collect from each player anyway or how do you mean that the casinos then get that back from the other players? Every player who plays regularly finances the livelihood of the casinos and the yacht from the owners. What exactly is supposed to change now if some players complain?

And what do you mean by players playing fair? What is that supposed to be? The simple fact is that the casinos have no license and are therefore illegal. This means that there is no valid contract and legally the casinos have no right to withhold your money. So the casinos take money illegally and if you do not sue the casinos, then they just have money lying around that belongs to you. That is the legal situation. If you understand fair to mean that you simply give them the money, even though they are not legally allowed to retain it, then we have a different understanding of fairness.

Or to put it another way: If the casinos were to abide by the laws that have been approved by the ECJ, then you would not be able to Deposit money and play at these casinos, because they would not be accessible to you. The casinos, however, do not take note of the rulings of the ECJ and are just waiting for you to pour your money into them. The casinos are just waiting to receive money illegally and lure you with a contract that is not legally valid and not binding.

The legal situation is therefore quite clear and unambiguous and many casinos do not care and try to lure players into their illegal casino anyway, give you false information in the chat and claim that they are legal and also otherwise give the impression that you can play there normally. The law sees it differently, and as I said, not only the German law, but also the EU law, which they always like to refer to.

If a player then comes along and makes use of his right, then he is often portrayed here in the forum as the bad guy, although it is the casinos that, against their better judgment, lure players to their illegal casino. What exactly do you mean by fair players?

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28th May. 2023, at 02:59 pm CEST#246
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gamble1 wrote on 28.05.2023 at 14:04:
But just out of curiosity do you really think the casinos are stuck with the damage ? Would it still be fair if the reclaimed money is collected from the 99% who play fair without reclaiming ? I mean now not streamers but completely normal players like you and me

I don't want to start the topic again but I would be interested in your point of view because I don't think an extreme view in both directions is ok

Is no harm I think. A harm is if the customers would have an advantage. Most of the time they don't have that.

It is true that they generate their revenue with illegal activities and often do everything possible to provoke the player. Be it with bait offers, which is often misleading (that is already punishable) or even intransparent (often the conditions are difficult or impossible to find) or with the delay of the payout including Verification process. There are many other points to look at critically, but going into them is unnecessary, as these two points alone prove enough. Anyway, from a legal point of view, there is nothing wrong with players recovering part of their losses, because casinos certainly do not play with fair cards. However, by now many know my personal opinion and I think that an adult person (whether addicted or not) should know what he is doing and accept the consequences for his trading. This is the main reason why I will not sue for money back, even if it would be 1.000€. That they are gone is my fault and I accept that.

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28th May. 2023, at 03:08 pm CEST#247
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frapi07 wrote on 28.05.2023 at 14:59:

Is not a harm in my opinion. A harm is if the customers would have an advantage because of it. Most of the time they don't have that.

It is true that they generate their revenue with illegal activities and often do everything possible to provoke the player. Be it with bait offers, which is often misleading (that is already punishable) or even intransparent (often the conditions are difficult or impossible to find) or with the delay of the payout including Verification process. There are many other points to look at critically, but going into them is unnecessary, as these two points alone prove enough. Anyway, from a legal point of view, there is nothing wrong with players recovering some of their losses, because casinos certainly do not play with fair cards. However, by now many know my personal opinion and I think that an adult person (whether addicted or not) should know what he is doing and accept the consequences for his trading. This is the main reason why I will not sue for any money back, even if it would be 1.000€. That they are gone is my fault and I accept that.

I think that most of the players who think that it is not ok to get the money back are the ones who play on the small limits and maybe leave one or two hundreds a month.

These people simply can't put themselves in the shoes of players who have lost €50,000 or even more and are running up loans, are in Debt and can no longer afford to live. The illegal casinos are destroying livelihoods and that is anything but funny or fair.

You write here "even if 1,000 € would be". Such sums, are just too banal for the reclaimers. With those it concerns almost only sums in the middle or high five-digit range. If you had a loss of 70,000 €, you would also quickly rethink pragmatically.

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28th May. 2023, at 03:23 pm CEST#248
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Falke wrote on 28.05.2023 at 15:08:
I think that most of the players who think that it is not ok to get the money back are the ones who play on the small limits and maybe leave a hundred or two a month.

These people simply can't put themselves in the shoes of players who have lost €50,000 or even more and are running up loans, are in Debt and can no longer afford to live. The illegal casinos are destroying livelihoods and that is anything but funny or fair.

You write here "even if 1,000 € would be". Such sums, are just too banal for the reclaimers. With those it concerns almost only sums in the middle or high five-digit range. If you had a loss of 70,000 €, you would also quickly rethink pragmatically.

It depends on the person. You can't make such a general statement. I, for example, was once -7000 in the red with Platin alone and a total of 10,000€ in the red. For some that is peanuts, for me it is a lot of money. Almost everything I had (that's why I'm trying to get away from gambling right now). I know the feeling of losing everything, the fear of having to justify it and the fear of disappointing certain people. I've been through it all. I have never thought of suing the casinos over it.

What I'm saying is: what is 70,000€ for some is 10,000€ or whatever for others. If you gamble away a large part of your savings, then the amount is actually irrelevant.

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28th May. 2023, at 04:33 pm CEST#249
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Falke wrote on 28.05.2023 at 15:08:
I think that most of the players who think that it is not ok to get the money back are the ones who play on the small limits and maybe leave a hundred or two a month.

These people simply can't put themselves in the shoes of players who have lost €50,000 or even more and are running up loans, are in Debt and can no longer afford to live. The illegal casinos are destroying livelihoods and that is anything but funny or fair.

You write here "even if 1,000 € would be". Such sums, are just too banal for the reclaimers. With those it concerns almost only sums in the middle or high five-digit range. If you had a loss of 70,000 €, you would also quickly rethink pragmatically.

You can easily spend that much money in state-run casinos, so where's the big difference?


The money is gone anyway whether legal or illegal!

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28th May. 2023, at 04:39 pm CEST#250
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Blubbo33 wrote on 28/05/2023 at 16:33:

They can blow that kind of money in state-run casinos no problem, so where's the big difference!?


The money is gone either way whether legal or illegal!

Exactly not. The money is only gone in the legal casinos, in the illegal ones you can get it back. Completely understandable that many people do that.


By the way, I know many people who only play online. They can't do anything with state casinos. And it's also logical that the aggressive advertising emails and the constant and very easy accessibility contribute to problematic gaming behavior.

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28th May. 2023, at 05:30 pm CEST#251
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Falcon wrote on 28.05.2023 at 16:39:
And that the aggressive advertising emails and the constant and very easy accessibility contributes to problematic gaming behavior is also logical.

There do the licensed and the "illegal" in my opinion but now not much. For me, JackpotPiraten, Lapalingo and the like are also constantly accessible. And if I were to Deposit 1000 euros every month, I would also have a problem in the long run.

Topic advertising, from 22 clock on TV, of 10 spots are felt 9 of just the licensed casinos... also a form of aggressive advertising.

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28th May. 2023, at 05:39 pm CEST#252
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Hanshanshans wrote on 28.05.2023 at 17:30:

There do the licensed and the "illegal" in my opinion but now not much. Constantly available are for me JackpotPiraten, Lapalingo and Co also. And if I would Deposit there every month the 1000 euros, I get in the long run also a problem.

Topic advertising, from 22 clock on TV, of 10 spots are felt 9 of just the licensed casinos... also ne form of aggressive advertising.

Nevertheless, the legal situation is now as it is. And at least there is Player protection in Germany. Can be blocked with one click at all casinos. We don't always have to talk past the issue, do we? I'm well aware that gambling is gambling.


What my point is, I have now also summarized in enough posts.

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28th May. 2023, at 08:29 pm CEST#253
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Begbie wrote on 28.05.2023 at 14:12: Just by the way, who pays one or more k a month in casinos is by no means a normal player but a gambling addict.

you have to add, if you earn less than 2.000.- per month I would say or maybe even less...



because one who earns 10k, 20k, 30k or more a month, pays certainly not 100€ but several 1000€ because the one can afford it alsos and with such a high salary also does not itch...

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28th May. 2023, at 09:44 pm CEST#254
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zocker0815 wrote on 28.05.2023 at 20:29:

you have to add, if you earn under 2.000.- per month i would say or maybe even less...



because one of the 10k, 20k, 30k or more in the month earns, pays certainly not 100 € but several 1000 € because the one can afford it alsos and with such a high wage also does not itch...

But there are also people who grew up in modest circumstances and still know what money is worth, no matter how much you earn. Would never spend even as a billionaire thousands of euros for ne pants or make the casinos rich with vast sums of deposits. Just because you have a lot of money does not mean that you have to throw it out the window

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