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Online Casinos in general: personalized distribution behavior at Redtiger? (Page 2)

Topic created on 23rd Jul. 2021 | Page: 2 of 2 | Answers: 16 | Views: 3,237
Anonym

personalized distribution behavior at Redtiger?

23rd Jul. 2021, at 09:42 pm CEST#11
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Wutmaennchen wrote on 07/23/2021 at 18:15: Can it be manipulated? Sure.
Is it being manipulated? We don't know.

For me, the logic speaks against it. The Provider and the casino don't care who wins and loses. Whether you win 10,000 EUR or 10 people win 1000 EUR is the same. So why should it be manipulated?

Perhaps they could be basically indifferent. But I can well imagine that in the meantime, similar to the profiling of the shopping profiles, it has been found out that it is more favorable to take the win from the player quickly, because he may be willing to pay in again, etc., if he has certain gaming behavior. The criteria here are certainly the duration of the game, the amount of the bet, the payout in the event of a win, etc


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personalized distribution behavior at Redtiger?

23rd Jul. 2021, at 10:18 pm CEST#12
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Stromberg wrote on 23.07.2021 at 12:24 pm: How sure can you be, good question
In order to be sure, one would have to have quasi insight into the test reports of independent companies or institutions, which examine the games etc.. And even then you would have to be able to understand the whole thing in the first place and also trust the testing authorities...
So you can either just trust that the pre-programmed win through the RTP is enough for the companies and casinos, or you don't trust and either stop or get screwed, at least for your perception....


If I now just look at the last half year, there are probably about 90 to 95 percent of my deposits, which I have used only for casino, very quickly just rattled down without much playing time or wins. And so it goes many, at least what I hear so here in the forum.

The probability that you won nothing after a big win or a small lucky streak is just extremely high, but also not higher than with a fresh Deposit or if you change the game. At least that's how I see it...

I could also state:, due to the last 4 times where I could not win anything at all and did not get any free spins, it did not get better afterwards. That has a system 😉

I can understand your assessment. Have also written that I certainly expect dry spells


In the last case we are talking about Piggy Riches Megaways. The game generally has quite moderate volatility, an RTP of about 93% and is not necessarily known as a money guzzler. This is also how the game is rated here at GJ and up until my little run of luck, I would sign that as well. Now, however, after the win for over 50h of playtime, it just goes straight downhill, which is just extremely uncharacteristic for this game. Best I would have filmed the tragedy times by videostream There were exactly 2 FS playouts in this time, which ended with about 4 € each. I have now consciously pulled it through although my mind signaled me much earlier to pull the emergency brake
By the way, this is not influenced by the issue of RTP conversion, etc., at least not if the information is correct.

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XXLEONIDASXX
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personalized distribution behavior at Redtiger?

23rd Jul. 2021, at 11:01 pm CEST#13
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Everything is controlled, I am firmly convinced by now. BTG is also quite bad..

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Falke
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personalized distribution behavior at Redtiger?

24th Jul. 2021, at 02:59 am CEST#14
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I can only report here what several insiders have told independently of each other in the area of Slot machine games in gaming arcades.

One of them managed a gambling house for a very long time. He said, he could regulate the machines more or less by push of a button down or up. They had their own statistics on which date the fewest players were there, i.e. they had no money left. Best the automats then exactly in this period paid, so that the players had again so long play money until their wage/unemployment came.

He said it was important that there were always enough customers in the pub, so they arranged it that way. The main thing was that there were always people there. Which machine spits exactly he himself did not know. Since gings much more to control that in the whole.

Perhaps it will be similar online. Who knows if you are playing with the full RTP right now? But in the end you don't know exactly. All I can say is that the gaming arcade had a lot of machines from a well-known manufacturer that is also very present online.

To be fair, I also have to say that I was active in the Live Casino area for a very long time. That is, Poker, Blackjack, etc.. And there is 100% nothing manipulated. And yet there were so many countless players who were firmly convinced of it, even though it was shuffled right in front of their eyes, the decks of cards were changed at the request of customers, etc.. And I must also say that I have experienced live things of lucky streaks and unlucky streaks, which I would not believe myself, I would not know 100% that everything is going on with right things.

Where there is gambling, there are always many people who assume manipulation. Especially online, where everything runs on computers and programs, this suspicion is of course even higher. Technically it would be possible. But I can tell you one thing at least for the live game. The casino owner who takes the Risk to cheat would be the stupidest entrepreneur of all times. As much money as you can make there without cheating is unimaginable. And the money always ends up at the casino anyway, even if he takes home a day maybe win. And even live, the casino was often happy when the players had a little luck in the bank games at the end of the month. Then we knew we had a full house for the next few days and didn't have to worry about the players running out of money.

So, for online play, I can't say for sure. But I recommend to everyone who assumes it, simply not to play anymore. To assume fraud and still play is, well, not very smart.

And there is one circumstance you must never forget. Both live and online. Most people have the feeling that they won't win anything because they are too greedy. Very few Deposit 100 and cash out 150. If you had always paid out at the highest level, you would come to the fact that the losses are very limited. As a win, most book only at least a fivefold increase in the stake.

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personalized distribution behavior at Redtiger?

24th Jul. 2021, at 05:25 pm CEST#15
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RainerHeiner wrote on 23.07.2021 at 21:42

Might not care about them in principle. But I can well imagine that in the meantime, similar to the profiling of shopping profiles, it has been found out that it is more favorable with certain gaming behavior to quickly take the win from the player again, because he may be willing to Deposit again, etc.. The criteria here are certainly the duration of the game, the amount of the bet, the payout in the event of a win, etc



Yes, that's right, there could be. But I wonder what that looks like.

Which player types or so could there be, that an algorithm can recognize the player types?
The player does nothing else than pressing "Spin".
There it could be eig. only about the bet amount after wins/losses

The deposits themselves go to the casino.
So a NetEnt operator recognizes then eig. only if the player loses / wins at NetEnt games.
If the player then wins / loses at BoD, the NetEnt Provider knows nothing about it and can not read the player.

I find there just no real added value, but I'm also not an online casino psychologist

What Falke wrote in the previous post should probably be the solution for wins in slots.
I play rarely, so not every month and then only as a low roller. I always set myself the profit target deposit x 3.
Either 0 (mostly 10.00 EUR) or just 30.00 EUR.

But people who play on 1,00 EUR and deposit 100 EUR, will probably not pay out at 150,00 EUR. Whereby that would be a win. And if you continue to play, inevitably comes the minus.
The art of slots is simply to stop at a win.

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Anonym

personalized distribution behavior at Redtiger?

25th Jul. 2021, at 04:59 pm CEST#16
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Wutmaennchen wrote on 07/24/2021 at 17:25
Yes, true, there could be. But there I wonder how that looks like.

Which player types or so could there be, that an Algorythmus can recognize the player types?
The player does nothing else than pressing "Spin".
There it could be eig. only about the bet amount after wins/losses

The deposits themselves go to the casino.
So a NetEnt operator recognizes then eig. only if the player loses / wins at NetEnt games.
If the player then wins / loses at BoD, the NetEnt Provider knows nothing about it and can not read the player.

I find there just no real added value, but I'm also not an online casino psychologist

What Falke wrote in the previous post should probably be the solution for wins in slots.
I play rarely, so not every month and then only as a low roller. I always set myself the profit target Deposit x 3.
Either 0 (mostly 10.00 EUR) or just 30.00 EUR.

But people who play on 1,00 EUR and deposit 100 EUR, will probably not pay out at 150,00 EUR. Whereby that would be a win. And if you continue to play, inevitably comes the minus.
The art of slots is simply to stop at a win.

Yes, exactly: On the basis of the behavior after high wins or also during loss phases, different profiles can certainly be recognized. The different profiles in turn are moved in different ways to the maximum turnover. And here we are at the added value. If I, as NetEnt PlaynGo etc., can convey to the OCs that my games ensure that the maximum revenue can be tickled out of the players, this is possibly a USP (unique selling point). If you take a look at the homepage of Redtiger for example, it becomes clear how much the game suppliers compete for the favor of the OCs. And that's just the official site. What is discussed under the hand, is again ne other history. We can think of a parallel to the agreements between car manufacturers and suppliers in the context of the diesel scandal. Here, too, one could ask what Bosch etc. gain from providing cheating software.

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Anonym

personalized distribution behavior at Redtiger?

25th Jul. 2021, at 05:04 pm CEST#17
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By the way, the negative series at Piggy Riches Megaways mentioned above continued unabated. Now the entire win is gone
In any case, I draw my conclusions and will avoid RedTiger from now on. Everyone can see this as he wants. We don't.
But my impression is that RedTiger does not guarantee random gameplay. But for me this is a basic requirement for gambling
Better go back to the Live Casino and play roulette.

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