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Online Casinos in general: Online casino from abroad - illegal gambling?

Topic created on 15th May. 2023 | Page: 1 of 2 | Answers: 24 | Views: 4,737
Tandori

Online casino from abroad - illegal gambling?

15th May. 2023, at 02:21 pm CEST#1
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Hello all,

i am still quite new to the field of gambling and a bit unsure whether I have possibly gotten myself into hot water.

Over the weekend I registered at an online casino that "welcomes Germans".
In fact, however, the company is based in Gibraltar. Ergo, no German gambling license.

Have chosen the casino for me because you can play Roulette there. Registered, deposited a few euros and won a bit.
Without further ado the withdrawal requested and then in front of my girlfriend (she is more reasonable than I) was made aware that this can backfire.

Now I have read that the use of such casinos is illegal and can end in the worst case with a prison sentence.

Does anyone have experience with foreign casinos and paid out wins?
Can you trick a bit there by having the wins paid out via BTC?

Greetings to the round
Tandori

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Tonkabohne
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Online casino from abroad - illegal gambling?

15th May. 2023, at 02:25 pm CEST#2
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It is best to create an e-wallet for such casinos.

Do not Deposit or withdraw from bank account.

Crypto works the same way.

Illegal = Doesn't matter

Play so many in foreign not "licensed" casinos and I also.

No problems so far !

And you can bet a bunch on the German gambling license anyway.

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chilliy
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Online casino from abroad - illegal gambling?

15th May. 2023, at 03:33 pm CEST#3
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But before the German licensed it was also illegal and still everyone did it. I see it the same way as Tonka bean, create e wallet and Deposit and withdraw from there. From the account goes with me definitely nothing more directly in OC. As long as you can still play from DE in these casinos.

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Max_Bet
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Online casino from abroad - illegal gambling?

15th May. 2023, at 04:31 pm CEST#4
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chilliy wrote on 15.05.2023 at 15:33: But before the German licensed it was also illegal and still everyone did it. I see it the same way as tonka bean, create e wallet and Deposit as well as withdraw from there. From the account goes with me definitely nothing more directly in OC. As long as you can still play from DE in these casinos.

No, before the regulation it was a gray area. It was Eu law because Germany had no regulation except for Schleswig-Holstein. Now it is illegal in any case. But that doesn't really deter anyone and that's a good thing. Otherwise, it would run even worse in the regulated booths, if they knew the people have to play with us, because they have no alternative.

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T0uchTheSky
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Online casino from abroad - illegal gambling?

15th May. 2023, at 07:53 pm CEST#5
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What Confucius always says : Where there is no plaintiff, there is no judge

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Matthias
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Online casino from abroad - illegal gambling?

15th May. 2023, at 09:11 pm CEST#6
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Hello Tandori,
first of all, thank you for taking the trouble to register with us and tell the community what happened to you.
I couldn't clearly see from your post whether you were in Germany as a player when you played at the casino in question, but I'll just assume that you were and therefore give you my personal tip.
You wrote that you only deposited a few "euros" and played Roulette with them.
In my experience, you don't win very much at roulette anyway and maybe it's better to write off the few euros as learning money and at least not take the Risk that your bank might react very violently and block your account.
If you live in Germany and are interested in online gambling, you should go for providers that are licensed in Germany. We have created a comprehensive comparison list, where you can directly compare the providers with each other. Just select 2-3 providers and click on the light green buttons "Compare Spielo".
In addition, you can find a so-called whitelist on the website of GGL, where you can view all gambling providers licensed for Germany, if you do not find a suitable Provider on our platform.
As for the previous answers - well, we don't want to censor or restrict here, but I would like to ask in general, especially for newcomers, to be careful not to talk publicly here about possible tricks and tactics that would encourage illegal gambling.
We know that there is a great desire for a good gambling offer, but this should not be based on illegality.
The aim of the State Treaty is to steer gambling into orderly and supervised channels and to counteract the development and spread of illegal gambling in black markets. There is no question that there is still room for improvement here, but as is rumored in the industry, the gambling supervisory authority has also recognized that the new regulation still offers various levers to make licensed gambling more attractive than the black market.
We assume that possible relaxations and adjustments of the guidelines for licensed gaming arcades can be expected in the coming months.

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Tonkabohne
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Online casino from abroad - illegal gambling?

15th May. 2023, at 09:32 pm CEST#7
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Matthias wrote on 15.05.2023 at 21:11: Hello Tandori,
first of all, thank you for taking the trouble to register with us and describe to the community what happened to you.
I couldn't clearly tell from your post if you were in Germany as a player when you played at the casino in question, but I'll just assume that you were and therefore give you my personal tip.
You wrote that you only deposited a few "euros" and played Roulette with them.
In my experience, you don't win very much at roulette anyway and maybe it's better to write off the few euros as learning money and at least not take the Risk that your bank might react very violently and block your account.
If you live in Germany and are interested in online gambling, you should go for providers that are licensed in Germany. We have created a comprehensive comparison list where you can directly compare the providers with each other. Just select 2-3 providers and click on the light green buttons "Compare Spielo".
In addition, you can find a so-called whitelist on the website of GGL, where you can view all gambling providers licensed for Germany, if you do not find a suitable Provider on our platform.
As for the previous answers - well, we don't want to censor or restrict here, but I would like to ask in general, especially for newcomers, to be careful not to talk publicly here about possible tricks and tactics that would encourage illegal gambling.
We know that there is a great desire for a good gambling offer, but this should not be based on illegality.
The aim of the State Treaty is to steer gambling into orderly and supervised channels and to counteract the development and spread of illegal gambling in black markets. There is no question that there is still room for improvement here, but as is rumored in the industry, the gambling supervisory authority has also recognized that the new regulation still offers various levers to make licensed gambling more attractive than the black market.
We assume that possible relaxations and adjustments of the guidelines for licensed gaming arcades can be expected in the coming months.

Ha Ha Ha ... rarely laughed at such a statement.


Sure, you have to write like this otherwise your platform will be reprimanded or even closed down.

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Ganja80
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Online casino from abroad - illegal gambling?

16th May. 2023, at 05:25 am CEST#8
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So I can say that in June last year I have made a payout of 520 € at Platincasino. Everything no problem, however, I got at the beginning of the month, because of exactly this payout, the customs, on my account has discovered a criminal complaint for illegal gambling served.

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Tandori

Online casino from abroad - illegal gambling?

16th May. 2023, at 06:39 am CEST#9
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Ganja80 wrote on 16.05.2023 at 05:25: So I can say that I have made in June last year at Platincasino a payout of 520 €.. Everything no problem, however, I got at the beginning of the month, because of exactly this payout, the customs, on my account has discovered a criminal complaint because of illegal gambling served.

May I ask how that turned out at the time or are the (slow) gears of justice still turning?

I have another question, this time about the rollover.
When trying to withdraw money, the following message appears:

"Minimum Deposit rollover X1 for withdrawal request is required."

I have not redeemed or used any bonuses.
Bottom line, does this mean I can only withdraw exactly as much as I deposited? Would make the whole system pretty pointless for players.

Greetings

Tandori

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Matthias
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Online casino from abroad - illegal gambling?

16th May. 2023, at 07:47 am CEST#10
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Tandori wrote on 05/16/2023 at 06:39 AM:
When trying to withdraw money comes the following message:
"Minimum Deposit rollover X1 for withdrawal request is required."

I have not redeemed or used any bonuses.
Does this mean bottom line that I can only withdraw exactly as much as I deposited? Would make the whole system pretty pointless for players.

Greetings

Tandori


Good morning Tandori,
This message is basically quite normal.

This means that you have to convert your deposit of e.g. 20 Euro at least 1x completely.

Related to Roulette this would mean that you would have to play e.g. 20 rounds with one Euro chip each or 5 rounds with a 4 Euro chip, so that you have wagered your deposit 1x completely. Of course, there is a Risk of loss.

There are several reasons why the casino has such requirements:

Firstly, for money laundering prevention reasons, because there are illegal structures that use hundreds of player accounts to deposit small amounts and pay them out again via casinos, just to launder a few thousand euros. The amounts paid out would then be clean money that enters the economic cycle as casino profits.

So that this does not happen, the casinos protect themselves by often requiring a minimum turnover and only pay out via the method with which you deposited. Otherwise, you could deposit with illegally acquired cryptocurrencies, for example, and then withdraw the money cleanly to your bank account. I hope you can follow what I'm saying.


On top of that, if you deposit via credit card, PayPal or other payment service providers, there are fees for the casino.
If you simply deposit and withdraw without playing, the casino suffers a financial loss in more ways than one.

For each deposit, between 1% and 5% fees are realistic to be paid by the casino to the payment service provider. In addition, every booking is processed in the accounting department at the end of the month, there is a lot of work, checking and so on - and all this in order to pay out to the player at the end exactly the amount he has just deposited - that makes no economic sense.

Therefore, the gambling providers expect that after depositing, you also play and try your luck, and as a rule, all Games of chance have a negative profit expectation, i.e. the Provider will make profits in the long term due to the mass of players.

Of course, there are lucky people who "go home" with 10,000 euros after a stake of 20 euros, but these are isolated cases.
In my opinion, however, these isolated cases are also the reason for the thrill - it could work out and this "it could" alone triggers feelings of happiness in the body, which can become addictive if consumed too regularly.

That's why, in my opinion, you should always have a real hobby where you can also develop great feelings of happiness, so that you don't have to rely on the constant dopamine kick in the casino.

Best regards
Matthias

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Tandori

Online casino from abroad - illegal gambling?

16th May. 2023, at 08:17 am CEST#11
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Hello Matthias and thank you for your quick reply.

Then I really don't understand the matter now.
I looked at a few systems, then tested them in a simulator and finally implemented them live.
System 1 = 100€ (loss)
System 2 = 100€ (loss)
System 3 = 150€ 1255€ win

According to this, would I not have wagered the entire Deposit?

Thank you for your concern about the dopamine kick. I can calmly refute this.
Admittedly, I get palpitations in some moments, but I immediately remind myself to calm down and run a few steps until I have created distance.

Greetings
Tandori

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Max_Bet
Expert

Online casino from abroad - illegal gambling?

16th May. 2023, at 08:39 am CEST#12
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Matthias wrote on 16.05.2023 at 07:47:But in my opinion, these individual cases are also the reason for the thrill - it could work and already this "it could" triggers feelings of happiness in the body, which can be addictive if used too regularly.


This "it could" f**ks me meanwhile 11 years over and over again 🤣

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Ganja80
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Online casino from abroad - illegal gambling?

16th May. 2023, at 10:19 am CEST#13
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Tandori wrote on 05/16/2023 at 06:39 AM:

May one ask how that turned out then, or are the (slow) gears of justice still turning?

Would have another question, this time about the rollover.
When trying to withdraw money the following message comes up:

"Minimum Deposit rollover X1 for withdrawal request is required."

I have not redeemed or used any bonuses.
Bottom line, does this mean I can only withdraw exactly as much as I deposited? Would make the whole system pretty pointless for players.

Greetings

Tandori

So the payout was in June 22 and the ad for it came at the beginning of May 23, so 11 months after the payout, accordingly zzt everything still in gear mode of justice....

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Anonym

Online casino from abroad - illegal gambling?

17th Nov. 2023, at 06:38 am CET#14
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Ganja80 wrote on 16.05.2023 at 10:19:

So the payout was in June 22 and the notification came at the beginning of May 23, so 11 months after the payout, so everything is still in cogwheel mode of justice...

Hey can you please tell me if something happened?

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Marieangels
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Online casino from abroad - illegal gambling?

17th Nov. 2023, at 11:53 am CET#15
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Honestly...I can't see through.... Who, what license does... have? If I can register in Germany without a VPN and Deposit with my German bank, why should I think it's illegal? You can also set up limits in these casinos or apply for self-exclusion. So player safety is taken care of.... I also visit these sites for sports betting, and they are not illegal. Sometimes I also do a few rounds. There's so much on offer, who can see through....

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