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Of course, depression is not a real illness for me either.
Medicine is always right, and doctors who immediately prescribe psychotropic drugs for the slightest heartache are right anyway.
Google the opioid crisis in the USA, we're well on the way there because every mosquito bite or addiction has to be treated as an illness with medication.
What the WHO says is all true, I hope you've already had your fifth or sixth Covid vaccination.
If someone develops cirrhosis of the liver from drinking too much alcohol, then they are really ill, but only then.
But there's no point in continuing the discussion here, we're too far apart and don't need to get into it any further. You can have your opinion or be right, I have mine.
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But you're mixing up topics here. I'm definitely on your side when it comes to corona and generally on pharma and the WHO.
But that's not the point here. The fact that addiction is a disease is undeniable, at least for me. I've been in the casino industry long enough to be able to judge that and I've also seen some people die from cocaine or alcohol consumption.
And to just talk about weakness is simply completely wrong. Addiction has nothing to do with weakness or strength.
Why don't you have the strength to stop gambling? And don't tell me it's a fun hobby, which is just a poor excuse for your own "weakness".
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By then it's already too late. Have you ever spent time with someone who had a drinking problem? It really doesn't look like it. Unfortunately, I have. After just 2 hours without taking anything, the person was shaking and almost had a mental crisis. If that's not a disease for you, what is it?
PS: I've even been vaccinated against COVID 10 times. And now what? Are you judging me for that? Am I different from you? Whether someone gets vaccinated or not is a topic in itself and out of place here. I'm not going to say whether I've been vaccinated or not, but that has nothing to do with the actual discussion.
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That's your opinion and that's okay. I was just commenting on how I see it from my point of view, reminding you of that old Southpark episode that was critical of the sudden hype around addictions.
I don't deny that there are people with addiction problems and some are better at dealing with it than others.
But for me, it's just not a disease you can get.
If someone destroys their life through addiction and drags family members into it, for example, they are weak in my eyes.
If someone runs amok into a school and shoots x number of children, I think he is weak and more... but not mentally ill.
If a pedophile abuses children, it's not his fault because he's a sex addict and sick and can't control himself?
You can't justify and excuse every mistake people make as an illness, but I repeat myself, this is just my opinion and I don't want to force it on anyone.
I love gaming because I enjoy it and I will never stop but I couldn't if my wife or child had to suffer. There were times when I was younger and weak and played too much, but I wasn't sick because of it.
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I don't want to tell you much about my personal life here, but I have close family members who are/were severe alcoholics and this has always been with me from an early age.
It's not easy, but if you're strong, you can stop from one day to the next if you really want to, and you can get through the withdrawal.
A sick person, on the other hand, is dependent on their body healing itself or with the help of medicine and doctors.
(If, for example, drug addicts are subdued or prescribed drugs for any kind of depression, that is not a cure for me)
You can also vaccinate yourself 20 times, for heaven's sake I'm not judging you for it. I would just assume that you have a lot of faith in the WHO and the gods in white coats, but that's your right.
I also respect every scientist, doctor, pharmacist etc. and am grateful that they exist when I am ill and need help. But everyone is also greedy...
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they only lie anyway that makes people sick
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So to the expert who mentioned the makers of Southpark, and how critical they are of smthenen, and explicitly the episode of randy and alcoholism was emphasized and addressed.
I would like to suggest that the values gentleman watch the episode of Southpark, which is about Gambling addiction and the associated loss of control.
The episode is about a game, with in-game purchases, and the triggering of the operator ☝️ Canada tries to make a lot of ashes with it, inspired by the canadian devil, so that even the great American devil intervenes and they duel because a certain percentage of players get stuck on it, (Similar to booze, coke, speed and other substances) that's what this whole broken industry is designed for, and that's why they fight each other, because these are unfair methods, and this percentage has NO choice, because they simply use human biochemistry, connect electrodes to the brain of a mouse and give it an orgasm button and it pushes it until it starves to death ☝️
And on the subject of the Simpsons and that they predicted the stupid Palatine as president, that's simply because Trump said umpteen years ago that he would run for president (long before he actually did) and win and so on. So it wasn't a brilliant feat of clairvoyance 🙄
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And what are you trying to say?
The gambling industry is of course happy if you don't have to take responsibility for getting rich off weak, addicted people. The 'disease' was to blame, the conscience was washed clean and the hypocrisy is perfect.
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haha, no, that's not what he meant. you really didn't understand that, did you?
it's actually not that difficult.
if you claim that addiction is not a disease and cite Southpark episode Y, which deals with imaginary alcoholism, to back up this statement and then say: there's a lot of truth in this,
then you would have to acknowledge the truth of Southpark episode Y, which addresses the fact that addiction is indeed a disease, in the same way.
maybe you should talk to your colleague x00NY from the other thread, you could have a good time together
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Unfortunately, I have to disappoint you. In the IDC10 guidelines (International Classification of Diseases), No. F63. 0 Pathological gambling xml-ph-0033@ The main characteristic of this disorder is persistent, repeated gambling that continues and often increases despite negative social consequences such as impoverishment, disrupted family relationships and disruption of personal circumstances
Alcohol addiction is listed under F10.2/depression under F32. Sorry, an exam topic. All diseases......
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No, only if you have a pathological gambling behavior and the associated impulse control disorder 🤷♂️
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Thank you very much, I couldn't have said it any better, especially to explain it with such patience and calm 😁👍
How can you pass off not getting stuck on something as a personal strength or achievement 🤔🤦♂️
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I am criticizing here the way the medical model is used to conceptualize addiction on the one hand and to underpin, support and reinforce the philosophy of the withdrawal industry on the other. The medical model and the current definition of addiction should be seriously questioned because of the frequent failures, but this is not being done and this is where the crux of the matter lies. It is a self-dynamic system that tells you that you are suffering from a chronic and deadly disease and that you should therefore seek treatment.
The idea of a disease carries a lot of weight - especially because it is promoted by many high-ranking authorities such as NIDA (National Institute on Drug Abuse) . According to some reports NIDA funds about 90 percent of the world's addiction research. So they give money to people who are researching the biological and cellular mechanisms of addiction. The people who doubt the disease model, however, go away empty-handed. This is how the system keeps itself alive.
Willpower plays a major role in the whole thing. Many addiction experts believe that self-empowerment, self-motivation, self-centered activities and self-imposed goals are extremely important for progress on the road to overcoming addiction. However, the medical model says that you are a patient and therefore have to do what the doctor tells you to do.
Dan Morhaim, a physician and congressman from Maryland, once said that addiction is a "medical problem with catastrophic societal consequences" . That is typical. If you turn those words around, it's much more accurate: addiction is a societal problem with catastrophic medical consequences.
Defining drug addicts as patients makes them passive, fatalistic and pessimistic. When you're told that you have a chronic brain disease that's responsible for all this nasty shit, you don't expect to get rid of it. In fact, however, most addicts recover and there are clear statistics on this - regardless of whether they are "soft" or hard drugs such as heroin. So can we really say that this is a chronic disease?
On the one hand, there is substance-related addiction and on the other, there is behavioral addiction - examples of this would be gambling, sex and porn addiction or various eating disorders. However, if you carry out brain scans, you get the same neural activation pattern for all types of addiction. That alone should be enough to invalidate the disease model. If addiction really is a disease, then people who play video games for 12 hours a day suffer just as much as people who are addicted to heroin.
What all of these patterns have in common is the profound learning process attached to them-a set of assumptions about what it takes to get through the day. This learning process is deepened through repetition, which ultimately leads to addiction. However, the whole thing has nothing in common with an illness. You can overcome any addiction and that means it's all about neural malleability. You don't go back to where you were before, because with development there is no going backwards. Instead, you learn to control your impulses and acquire new cognitive behaviors. Any learning process involves changes in the synapses-certain synapses are either created or strengthened and certain synapses that are not needed atrophy or disappear altogether.
There is also a book by this wise gentleman: the biology of desire: why addiction is not a disease, with top reviews.
But it's like man-made climate change: anyone who has a different opinion that is not politically correct is immediately fought and suppressed by the majority.
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