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Online Casinos in general: Money laundering

Topic created on 27th Sep. 2019 | Page: 1 of 2 | Answers: 16 | Views: 4,444
abc123
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Money laundering

27th Sep. 2019, at 05:05 pm CEST#1
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Hi first, so I'm not sure where to put this topic so I did it here.

I would be very grateful for information, namely it is about the fact that I have gambled in the months of July & August quite a lot in Online Casinos, the overview of how much I have paid in and out, I have now no longer exactly.

Anyway, I have made about 6000€ plus, I have possibly with all deposits and withdrawals 6000 deposited and 11-12000 paid out, but that was several withdrawals from three or four different casinos.

Now I got a letter from my bank, it's about the money laundering law and namely they now want documents from me and a detailed description of the withdrawals, they want documents and descriptions of 4 or 5 withdrawals.

So, the stupid thing is that it doesn't say exactly which documents they want from me.

My question is this: should I send the email confirmations of the payouts? Or should I send the entire game history at all? (Example: 1€ spin Book of Dead win : 1,20, these page long listings).

Who has experience with this and what documents should I send exactly?

And another thing, what happens if you don't send anything? Does this make you liable to prosecution or do you just lose your bank as a business partner? Because the second would be relatively indifferent to me, then I just change the bank.

And if one is currently registered unemployed, is it a problem? Because I heard that in Germany with Hartz 4 money of the wins must share or pay? Or something I read about it, anyway, it is not Germany but Austria with me and I am only recently unemployed

So in summary : Do I have to worry a lot now? What documents should I send?

I would be very grateful for experiences from Germany/Austria/Switzerland.

If I ever gamble again, it will certainly not be in online casinos for the following reasons

1) The Verification usually takes a long time, you always worry about not getting any money.
2) I would not have such problems as now, if I go to the Spielo.

I am looking forward to your reply.

Kind regards

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Mo1985
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Money laundering

27th Sep. 2019, at 05:27 pm CEST#2
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Send the confirmation emails from the casinos to your bank.

Money laundering suspicions are not to be trifled with. If you do not take the issue seriously, your money can be frozen.

Otherwise, I unfortunately do not know the legal situation in Austria in terms of online gambling.

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sonne10
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Money laundering

27th Sep. 2019, at 05:32 pm CEST#3
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My Tip take a good lawyer 😎

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abc123
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Money laundering

27th Sep. 2019, at 06:03 pm CEST#4
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Why lawyer? I have done nothing illegal

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Felixrl
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Money laundering

27th Sep. 2019, at 06:08 pm CEST#5
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abc123 wrote on 09/27/2019 6:03 pm: Why lawyer? It's not like I did anything illegal

Online gambling in itself is a criminal offense under German law.

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wettibernd
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Money laundering

27th Sep. 2019, at 06:14 pm CEST#6
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Personally, I would get advice from a lawyer. I would also be interested to know which bank you have the account with.

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Falko
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Money laundering

27th Sep. 2019, at 06:21 pm CEST#7
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Felixrl wrote on 27/09/2019 at 18:08
Online gambling in itself is a criminal offense under German law.

But he writes that he does not live in Germany. He lives in Austria and there the laws are different as here in Germany. They even have their own online casino with Novoliners, where you can only play if you live directly in Austria.

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Anonym

Money laundering

28th Sep. 2019, at 07:51 am CEST#8
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Felixrl wrote on 27/09/2019 at 18:08
Online gambling in itself is already a criminal offense according to German law. pun

But he lives in Austria as you can read and their legal situation I do not know and probably the rest here rather not. In any case, there is already stress and experts are needed. I don't know how the unemployment factor is in Austria. On your question about the situation in D abc is told to you: If someone wins while receiving ALG2 (Hartz4) in an online casino, then he has to immediately report to his job center.It is namely a realized income. This then leads to an offset with the ALG2 benefits. Could possibly lead to a complete cancellation of benefits over several months, until the money is used up. If the beneficiary does not report something like that, it is of course not correct, but it depends on the respective job center and their way of working, whether this is made public at all. If this comes out later by chance, then it comes to a reclaim of the then wrongfully paid state benefit

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Katharina2
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Money laundering

28th Sep. 2019, at 09:53 am CEST#9
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abc123 wrote on 09/27/2019 6:03 pm: Why lawyer? I have done nothing illegal

No, you haven't either, only in Austria it behaves similar to Germany,
only that Austria distinguishes between 'small and big game' and considers itself and its
Players as being in the 'gray zone' and does not punish any player.

Germany, on the other hand, dumbs down German players and talks about 'illegal and forbidden',
even though Germany collects high taxes from the very casinos they want to prohibit their players from
want to ban, i.e. German casinos. Foreign casinos stand in the gray area and
undermine state sovereign claims in both countries, but they are also prohibited.

Surely, with you the amounts will already fall under 'big game' and are disreputable as far as
Money laundering. I don't see a lawyer here either, as Austria is a bit more liberal,
but I would ask the bank which documents you have to provide. You have done nothing
illegal, unlike in Germany, and can directly and openly query.
You should take into account a deduction from unemployment benefits.

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gamble1
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Money laundering

28th Sep. 2019, at 11:34 am CEST#10
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So in D it is so if you are only unemployed you are entitled to the normal unemployment benefit and that is paid without restrictions for 1 year there you would not have to declare the win because the normal unemployment benefit can even be taken as income for financing or loans which is not the case with Hartz4

In Austria there is of course not there is according to current law each additional income to the unemployment benefit immediately to report

As for the bank be glad that they do not require exact documents so you have room for interpretation send the payment confirmations and should be good

they only care that you did not get the money from Mafia xyz to wash

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