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Online Casinos in general: Money back because of gambling law (Page 6)

Topic created on 16th May. 2023 | Page: 6 of 15 | Answers: 211 | Views: 39,789
MisterL
Expert

Hidaruma wrote on 20/05/2023 at 12:09 PM:

It's just nonsense. For one thing, slots can't run well at the same time unless you're one of those "I have four slots open at the same time" specialists.

Furthermore, what does "run well" mean? In my opinion, this is a subjective assessment. For one person, good means that he can play with his Bullet for a very long time, and for another, perhaps, it means that he is making a very high win. (Very high - x times - are very rare btw)

All conspiracy theories are just this. Theories born out of the subjective feelings of the players. Usually they are groundless and not factually provable (unless we are talking about casinos that offer fake slots etc.)

if you only play wild frames you can also not see any correlations

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Hidaruma
Top Member

MisterL wrote on 21.05.2023 at 07:32:

if you only play wild frames you can't see any correlations either

Stupid comment. Just because I only uploaded Wild Frames videos does not mean I only play that slot.


Please turn on your brain the next time you try.

Thanks

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Simbda
Top Member

Reskim wrote on 05/19/2023 at 23:52: Disgusting

you should be sued the same way participation in illegal gambling ....equal to double the penalty

Shame on you !

Where did he escape from?

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Thomas520
Rookie
" what I am missing are concrete statements that the casinos have paid. "

You won't read that anywhere because there are confidentiality obligations that have to be honored. If the casinos didn't pay, there would be no litigation funders. Logical, right?

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Frankey
Experienced

Thomas520 wrote on 21.05.2023 at 14:13: " what I am missing are concrete statements that the casinos have paid. "

You won't read that anywhere because there are confidentiality obligations that have to be honored. If the casinos didn't pay, there would be no litigation funders. Logical, isn't it?

Litigation financiers have existed in Germany since the end of the 90s. It was an idea of the big Insurance companies. They saw how successful their colleagues in the USA were with class actions, and wanted something like that here too, so they created a financial service for court costs. Since our judicial system runs very slowly, it always takes a while to make a win. That's why some of the big players have abandoned this line of business. Basically, in order for a process finacieung at all comes into question, the amount in dispute must be at least 100,000 €. The lawyer must first find enough plaintiffs before he can apply for financing. Then the laborious individual processes where the casino has been sentenced to repayment, but does it pay immediately? Nope, it goes to appeal. And so the process drags on. And that's all the casino has to do. Drag the whole thing out.10 years How does that work best in the German legal system? Through expert witnesses. The casino demands an expert then the plaintiff a counter expert the court itself also still another and thus the 10 years are fast around and the whole individually small judgements of experts contested invalid. there no guilty one was determined. Our judicial system is simply not designed for this kind of lawsuits. Especially when there are many plaintiffs. No guilty verdict because of statute of limitations. Not even happened long ago. In the trial of the collapse of the Cologne City Archive and in the trial of the 2010 Love Parade. I think the secrecy clause is not only there to keep the amount secret but maybe also the fact that no money has flowed yet

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gamble1
Icon

Frankey wrote on 05/21/2023 at 6:05 pm:

Litigation financiers have been around since the late 90's in Germany. It was an idea of the big Insurance companies. They saw the success of their colleagues in the USA with class actions, and wanted something like that here too, so they created a financial service for court costs. Since our judicial system runs very slowly, it always takes a while to make a win. That's why some of the big players have abandoned this line of business. Basically, in order for a process finacieung at all comes into question, the amount in dispute must be at least 100,000 €. The lawyer must first find enough plaintiffs before he can apply for financing. Then the laborious individual processes where the casino has been sentenced to repayment, but does it pay immediately? Nope, it goes to appeal. And so the process drags on. And that's all the casino has to do. Drag the whole thing out.10 years How does that work best in the German legal system? Through expert witnesses. The casino demands an expert then the plaintiff a counter expert the court itself also still another and thus the 10 years are fast around and the whole individually small judgements of experts contested invalid. there no guilty one was determined. Our judicial system is simply not designed for this kind of lawsuits. Especially when there are many plaintiffs. No guilty verdict because of statute of limitations. Not even happened long ago. In the trial of the collapse of the Cologne City Archive and in the trial of the 2010 Love Parade. I think the secrecy clause is not only there to keep the amount secret but maybe also the fact that no money has flowed yet


But the statute of limitations is simply inhibited by an expert opinion as long as the proceedings are ongoing no problem at all

The confidentiality clause require but usually only casinos where also pay the process financiers not for it is but super advertising to call more people on the plan

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zocker0815
Top Member
seen today on facebook XD


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Falke
Expert
What nonsense is written here again, although already 100 times explained.

Money flows in masses with the reclaims. How many times then, if you have won a court case, then you also get the money. And many casinos pay even without a trial.

How unworldly can you be to seriously believe that there are no payments, even though law firms and litigation financiers are just sprouting up to take on the issue. This has been going on for over 3 years now and the PF are getting more instead of less. Maybe just apply a little logic for once.

I can't wait until three pages later when someone makes the same claim again.

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Frankey
Experienced
Falke wrote on 21.05.2023 at 21:21: What nonsense is written here again, although already 100 times explained.

There is money flowing in masses in the recoveries. How many times then, if you won a court case, then you also get the money. And many casinos pay even without a trial.

How unworldly can you be to seriously believe that there are no payments, even though law firms and litigation financiers are just sprouting up to take on the issue. This has been going on for over 3 years now and the PF are getting more instead of less. Maybe just apply a little logic for once.

I can't wait to see three pages later when someone makes the same claim.

If the millions are flowing, why don't the law firms advertise it? A happy client holding a check or bank statement into the camera (the amount hidden) "I got my losses back" or something like that. Nope, they rather advertise with sentences like" Already 1000 clients successfully referred...." If there now"...... of which X% have already received the recovery...." then the sentence would even make sense. You will not find anything on any of the pages that indicates that the casinos have paid. If there for 3 years millions flow why one does not advertise with " X € at reclaims in total were paid back last year at our clients...." ?v

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Falke
Expert

Frankey wrote on 05/22/2023 at 05:01 AM:
If dia millions are flowing why don't law firms advertise it? A happy client holding a check or bank statement into the camera (the amount hidden) "I got my losses back" or something. Nope, they rather advertise with sentences like" Already 1000 clients successfully referred...." If there now"...... of which X% have already received the recovery...." then the sentence would even make sense. You will not find anything on any of the pages that indicates that the casinos have paid. If there for 3 years millions flow why one does not advertise with " X € at reclaims in total were paid back last year at our clients...." ?v

Sometimes I can only shake my head. Yes, sure. Would come across totally respectable, if the lawyers let Hans Zimmerman come to word, how much he is pleased about the reclaim. Preferably with a 5-star rating. You would be the first to find that unbelievable.


But well, I'll give up slowly. There are only tens of thousands of cases, dozens of law firms that have specialized only in the recovery, process financiers who advance millions and numerous newspaper articles.

But they do it all for nothing, because they are all completely stupid and no casino has ever paid them anyway. If only they had hired Frankey from the Gamblejoe forum as a consultant, who can't imagine all this. Then the poor lawyers and PF would not have to run to their certain doom.

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MisterL
Expert
they only finance their own work, maybe they have too little to do
but there are lawyers like sand on the sea (Better call Saul)
Have +Should maybe the balance sheet is improved and the credit rating improved
is but anyway everything only lie and fraud
know no one who tells the truth

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Begbie
Elite
How did this ruling actually come about? Wasn't sports betting always legal?

Tipico ordered to repay sports betting losses



https://www.anwalt-leverkusen.de/aktuelles/detail/tipico-zur-rueckzahlung-von-sportwettverlusten-verurteilt.html

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Frankey
Experienced

Falcon wrote on 22.05.2023 at 05:23:

I can really just shake my head sometimes. Right. Would come across as totally serious if the lawyers let Hans Zimmerman have his say about how happy he is about the reclamation. Preferably with a 5-star rating. You would be the first to find that unbelievable.


But well, I'll give up slowly. There are only tens of thousands of cases, dozens of law firms that have specialized only in the recovery, process financiers who advance millions and numerous newspaper articles.

But they do it all for nothing, because they are all completely stupid and no casino has ever paid them anyway. If only they had hired Frankey from the Gamblejoe forum as a consultant, who can't imagine all this. Then the poor lawyers and PF would not have to run to their certain doom.



I do not deny at all that the cases exist. Or the verdicts. I also believe that every single verdict gives the players right. But you can't Deposit a verdict into your account or pay something with it. It is worth nothing. Only when the casino has transferred the money, the player has really won the case.
But if this happened in the last 3 years somewhere, sometime, no one knows. There got no info or out of lawyer, judges, casino o. And that is the point at which it becomes unbelievable for me. Sounds funny, but is so 😉

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Dutch78
Expert

Begbie wrote on 23.05.2023 at 10:01: How did this ruling actually come about? Wasn't sports betting always legal?
Tipico ordered to repay sports betting losses
https://www.anwalt-leverkusen.de/aktuelles/detail/tipico-zur-rueckzahlung-von-sportwettverlusten-verurteilt.html

The crucial passage will be this:

Here, however, the defendant indisputably did not ensure that the maximum stake of €1,000 per month per player was observed.

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Begbie
Elite
Ah interesting that apparently also at the limit is a possible lever to reclaim the coals.

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