Manipulation?! What do you think?

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s****e

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6th May. 2018, at 12:36 am CEST#81

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Just because there are no complaints doesn't mean that there is no cheating.
Or do you think they do it publicly???
Do you think all the cartels have placed an ad?
In some cases, this went on for tens of years!

Did you hear a complaint about VW, regarding the exhaust values,
before it was exposed????

How can you be so gullible?
People are cheating all over the world, so open your eyes!

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Knochen

Forum posts: 2.394 Member since: 16.04.2018

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6th May. 2018, at 12:46 am CEST#82

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And you think that the tens of complaints about DrückGlück and Wunderino here in the forum were opened by the mafia cartels themselves or how can I understand that? There are no complaints from players because this is a serious company. You can save the VW comparison slowly. If we now discuss about international conglomerates then this degenerates even more.

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blingbling

Forum posts: 31 Member since: 05.05.2018

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6th May. 2018, at 12:50 am CEST#83

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everything is fake we live in the matrix â˜ðŸ¼

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s****e

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6th May. 2018, at 12:58 am CEST#84

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Huh?? The whole thing runs in the background. For example, money laundering or the amendment of the RTP.

How do you think the mafia did it in the USA in the so-called Pizza Connection?
did?

There are no complaints because people like you then say that was just bad luck, nothing more.
And charge them the RTP. You are basically helping the casino to find an explanation why they lost
they lost

But since you don't get any data from the casinos, you don't even know whether your simple
Explanation with the bad luck and the RTP`s is true!
Yes better it does not go at all
So the masses no longer reports at all.

Quite apart from the people who are ashamed, or are not even registered in forums.
And fromd en people who themselves represent the simple pitch theory.

That does not mean that they do not cheat. That is no logic at all.
There is also fraud on a small scale.

Do you know how much the slot earns or pays out over the year?
Is it all correct what the casino says?
You rely here only on statements from the casino.
This is of course clever, because that's what the money wants from you.
So it will claim everything you want to hear, that's logical!

The casinos have it not even necessary to defend themselves. That make already humans
like you in so forums here

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Knochen

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6th May. 2018, at 01:02 am CEST#85

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You will not understand it. You won't understand the principle of gambling. Neither the real attraction nor the real danger. That's why I won't answer you anymore, because there's no point.

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6th May. 2018, at 01:24 am CEST#86

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I see it similarly.
Go work for a few years, gain some life experience,
don't discuss every topic (116 forum posts in 3 weeks),
don't make everyone out to be stupid,
then maybe it will be something!
And put down your conceited nature, is better!

The principle of gambling I've already understood, since you still shit in the
Diapers shit, my little smartass!

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6th May. 2018, at 03:01 am CEST#87

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Knochen wrote on 05/05/2018 at 22:07: Probability or stochastics comes in the Abitur and not in elementary school

Then don't throw around terms you don't seem to understand yourself.

Because if we go by stochistics, which plays a relevant role especially in Poker, we would have to assume that casinos actually cheat.

I myself have no opinion on this, because it can unfortunately very well explain mathematically what is going on, but I would claim otherwise from my own subjective experience. However, I waver between personal experience and mathematically logical conclusion, so I can not make myself a final picture.

But please bone, don't throw around terms you obviously don't understand.
And if you accuse other users of lack of education then please refrain from posts in which yours is obvious.

Again to the facts: skrie, I can understand your view and your anger 100%. I think the majority of players can understand from the emotional side. I think every real player who claims not to have had similar thoughts before is lying.
But you have to realize that you can't prove anything except a strange feeling.
Purely from the mathematical side, the casinos can also justify it.
All that remains is for you to make a personal decision. Either you play or you don't play.
If you come to the conclusion that everything is a scam, then stop being scammed. It is completely irrelevant what other people say.
You have to decide for yourself. You don't have to convince anyone else that everything is a scam. Only YOU have to be convinced and draw the consequences. Purely according to mathematics, everything is within the realm of possibility.
I also regularly delete my browser history, quit the game and restart it, switch between bet sizes, write to the support that I'm just unlucky (in the superstitious belief that they then flip the switch) and often wait a few seconds before I make the next spin because I thus "trick" the system. Typical player behavior. In the end, however, I am responsible for whether I Deposit again and continue to play.
I also believe that there is a lot of room for Manipulation, it is probably not completely random and especially BTG slots are completely rigged. And to confirm this to myself over and over again, I then deposit hundreds of Euros again and play BTG slots. Then I can at least say afterwards that I knew it. So I pay in the next hundred to confirm it to myself again. I might as well reach for the hot stove top again and again to confirm that it hurts when I reach for it. But the problem is and will always be that I can't prove to the manufacturer of hot plates that he designed them specifically to hurt me.
But I can prove that he designed them to make money. For what else?

But I stand up for one thing: If it is so damn hard to win something in Online Casinos, that you at least get your win then also 100% without if and but also. Even if I have gambled away 3000, the 50 euros that I then want to be paid out, I want to be transferred as quickly as possible without the slightest difficulty.
Therefore, each casino which makes there in any form then problems, immediately on the Blacklist to put without any goodwill.
If I then have to read here as alleged players here in any way have understanding for it or want to talk nicely then I can not take such people seriously.
Since I understand then also no, I have yes only, I meant yes only, they lay out halt the terms and conditions strictly and and and.
That is the lowest drawer to defend that in any form.

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6th May. 2018, at 05:03 am CEST#88

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stkrie wrote on 06/05/2018 at 01:24: I see it the same way.
Go work for a few years, get some life experience,
don't discuss every topic (116 forum posts in 3 weeks),
don't make everyone out to be stupid,
then maybe it will be something!
And put down your conceited nature, is better!

The principle of gambling I've already understood, since you still shit in the
Diapers shit, my little smartass!

You just don't want to understand it! As long as there are people like them, casinos will rub their hands and continue to exist. We share 95% of the way of thinking about casinos and I like your views! In their world, that's just the way it is

There is a nice Internet site that calls itself a casino, you can Deposit, get at the beginning really natten win and then runs GARNIX MORE. Is just "bad luck". "I have won 16k and do not need to worry about it anymore and just have to mention it as often as possible, so that it is also the last mitbekommen". OF COURSE I don't begrudge everyone their win, no one should misunderstand that, but at some point there's an end to it, especially if you have such a way of looking at things as you do Avantgarde.
Where was I? Oh yes... Internet site, casino...MGA... want but all only the best. The casinos only want to offer me a memorable gaming experience and entertain me. This forum serves to expose dubious casinos and to protect the people. Well guess how this forum or website is financed then look at the casino ranking! VegasHero...or how this Ranzcasino is called, is not on top of the list because it is soooo great... The casino is the last snot the bonus conditions are under all sau... but it is second place and why? Then guess.... AND NO I'm not shooting against Daniel and Matthias... on the contrary I'm glad that there is such a forum, where at least a little freedom of speech.

My big gambling time is over... I only pay small amounts to satisfy my addiction. However, it becomes less and less the more I deal with how f**ked up the casinos actually are.
And I Stkrie right give, it is just typical new German. The casinos could tell you that the trees reach into the sky... sometime it is believed it must be said only often enough!

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Ibea01

Forum posts: 23 Member since: 20.05.2017

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6th May. 2018, at 10:13 am CEST#89

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Random wrote on 06/05/2018 at 03:01 PM

Again on the facts: skrie, I can 100% understand your view and your anger. I think the majority of players can understand from the emotional side. I think every real player who claims not to have had similar thoughts before is lying.
But you have to realize that you can't prove anything except a strange feeling.
Purely from the mathematical side, the casinos can also justify it.
All that remains is for you to make a personal decision. Either you play or you don't play.
If you come to the conclusion that everything is a scam, then stop being scammed. It is completely irrelevant what other people say.
You have to decide for yourself. You don't have to convince anyone else that everything is a scam. Only YOU have to be convinced and draw the consequences. Purely according to mathematics, everything is within the realm of possibility.
I also regularly delete my browser history, quit the game and restart it, switch between bet sizes, write to the support that I'm just unlucky (in the superstitious belief that they then flip the switch) and often wait a few seconds before I make the next spin because I thus "trick" the system. Typical player behavior. In the end, however, I am responsible for whether I Deposit again and continue to play.
I also believe that there is a lot of room for Manipulation, it is probably not completely random and especially BTG slots are completely rigged. And to confirm this to myself over and over again, I then deposit hundreds of Euros again and play BTG slots. Then I can at least say afterwards that I knew it. So I pay in the next hundred to confirm it to myself again. I might as well reach for the hot stove top again and again to confirm that it hurts when I reach for it. But the problem is and will always be that I can't prove to the manufacturer of hot plates that he designed them specifically to hurt me.
But I can prove that he designed them to make money. For what else?

But I stand up for one thing: If it is so damn hard to win something in Online Casinos, that you at least get your win then also 100% without if and but also. Even if I have gambled away 3000, the 50 euros that I then want to be paid out, I want to be transferred as quickly as possible without the slightest difficulty.
Therefore, each casino which makes there in any form then problems, immediately on the Blacklist to put without any goodwill.
If I then have to read here as alleged players here in any way have understanding for it or want to talk nicely then I can not take such people seriously.
Since I understand then also no, I have yes only, I meant yes only, they lay out halt the terms and conditions strictly and and and.
That is the lowest drawer to defend that in any form.

You're absolutely right, well written

On topic:
With me it was once similar. I gambled at Tipico in the online casino, won nothing and cried to the support how stupid everything is and how disappointed I am. Then the guy on the other side of the keyboard said he liked playing Wonky Wabbits and that I should try the game, because I'm sure I'll get lucky. So I did - and the psychic abilities of the casino employee were confirmed ðŸŒš
That was still at the beginning of my gambling time, approx. 4/5 years ago and with small stakes, nevertheless I could bring in a (for at that time conditions) beautiful win.
On the other hand - how often are Bonuses given, games recommended and the money then gambled away without having won anything? Only such events do not stand out, because it is just not extraordinary. Maybe the employee has previously recommended the same game to 10 other players and they had no luck?

Anyway, that's when I first came into contact with this infamous switch. The thing is, in my opinion, with the whole subject - it's a matter of faith. Either you believe in manipulation on the part of the operators, or you see the mathematics and the associated bad luck as the reason for such bizarre experiences. I think that as a player you tend to smell conspiracies in the case of our well-known and hated loss phase and somehow want to have an explanation of what is going on here. And since gaming can be, and usually is, a very emotional endeavor, one is rather unreceptive to rational explanations at that moment. It's also easier to blame someone for something than to accept that you have bad luck.
At least that's how I feel. Of course, there may also be people who look at the whole thing completely soberly. But most people won't feel that way.

There was a time when I played and only had a certain amount of money at my disposal. That is, if the amount had been used up, I would not have been able to deposit anything further. It would have been practically impossible.
But there was also a time when I played and theoretically had even more money available.
And whenever I theoretically could have deposited even more money, I had to make use of it. Had to, because a) it didn't run and b) I'm a gambling addicted piece of sh****e ðŸ˜†
Anyway, it always seemed to me as if the casino (or whoever runs or coordinates the whole thing) knew when I had money and when I didn't and when they could pull coal out of my pocket.
And that's where I come back to my core message of the whole post -
It is a matter of faith and we will probably never know whether the casinos / operators manipulate (can), or whether it is simply based on pure probability.

Mfg

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6th May. 2018, at 10:45 am CEST#90

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So if I would now operate a casino that is now perhaps not quite so reputable and that is called again and again negatively in online forums, for example, because payouts of wins to players are not so my thing or because I let players win nothing at all, because I let the programs manipulate something (of course in cooperation with the game developers, it should be parties what have it), then I would register but with great probability times in the appropriate forums (but this can also be rolled off on an employee) and the negative comments times something Paroli offer and the Foristen times tell what my casino for a totally serious store is and I would also not miss (of course, airtight with video) that you can also win something, so times a nice win over 10.000 Euro . One does not want to scare away all customers, otherwise I would possibly still forced to close my store and reopen under another name, which is then also annoying.

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