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Online Casinos in general: Manipulation?! What do you think? (Page 6)

Topic created on 04th May. 2018 | Page: 6 of 33 | Answers: 324 | Views: 71,599
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Elite

Manipulation?! What do you think?

5th May. 2018, at 09:16 pm CEST#51
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I think these bonus rules suck too but I also know, unlike you, to distinguish fraud from immoral business practices. I won't reopen the Wunderino discussion here, I stand by everything I said and I'm also right about everything I said.

On average I lose with a RTP of 96% on a Euro bet
on average 4 Euro per hour. Now ask the gamblers here if that is about right if they play with a
Euro stake. And no, it's not just a feeling. With 100 euros I usually don't even survive the first
half hour.

If you manage to actually make only 100 spins in that hour then that's the AVERAGE. I really don't want to have to explain the whole probability calculation to you. But you should also understand that this is not a RTP per hour?! with one Euro bet you lose on average 4 cents. I would say that if you take into account the 800x and more wins that rarely occur, then this is also true for all players. That makes honestly also a piece far the fun factor and thrill from. would one with quasi nearly each spin its employment back get however never really all lose or anything win, thus nearly direct 96% RTP would play much less fun make. If you want the possibility of high wins you have to accept the probability of high losses, it's that simple.

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Anonym

Manipulation?! What do you think?

5th May. 2018, at 09:49 pm CEST#52
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Bone: Thanks you got to the point! 99% of the people are simply mathematically not on the height and do not understand what RTP means. It's just tied to a certain term of spins/turnover or like in Germany to the TÜV. Who expects 96.x rtp at any time is just stupid and should rather leave the game ðŸ˜'

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s****e

Manipulation?! What do you think?

5th May. 2018, at 09:49 pm CEST#53
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You should only not claim that you have never defended the Wunderino casino.
Only and only that was the point!

I really don't want to have to explain the entire probability calculation to you....
Ha ha, cute, the little bone. Still nothing in life achieved or experienced, but with the
want to pee with the big ones. Sweet Yeah right, my school was a little while ago,
my child
You are such a typical anti-authoritarian child.
Unfortunately with you wrong.
You and Aka are already cute. You don't know how to spell,
but you want to explain math, ha ha

By the way, RTP is probably crapped on, but that doesn't go into your child's head
Child's head

My calculation was an example calculation, so that you understand it.
That you create more than 100 spins per hour, I could think of smoothly.
You really think you're smarter than everyone else here, don't you?

With 100 euros bet I lose on average 4 euros, that is clear to me.
I have also explained so.

So, and now Aka and you can exchange ideas about mathematical science.
Unfortunately, the rest here is too stupid for that


But that is also not the actual topic here, apart from that.

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Anonym

Manipulation?! What do you think?

5th May. 2018, at 09:52 pm CEST#54
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I wanted to make a quick comment. So back to the coincidence... if a win would happen by chance, why then this crap with the RTP? I mean Lotto does not use that but still make the win by the low accuracy of the players. Lotto is state-owned and therefore probably transparent, I can imagine that for this reason the German state keeps out of the OC industry, because it is vlt too intransparent... said casually... dirty. And if I think all this even further, the question arises with me, if but now the RTP, has influence on the payout, why should one still speak of coincidence or luck? Is nevertheless everything programmed. Would it then not only logical to assume that the influence, that is, the Manipulation takes place far beyond the range of the RTP! This then also explains itself why the support yesterday could express a guarantee and also kept right.

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Manipulation?! What do you think?

5th May. 2018, at 09:54 pm CEST#55
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Aka wrote on 05/05/2018 at 9:49 pm: Bones: Thanks you nailed it! 99% of people are just not mathematically up to speed and don't get what RTP means. It's just tied to a certain term of spins/turnover or like in Germany to the TUV. Who expects 96,x rtp at any time is just stupid and should rather leave the gambling ðŸ˜'

this is how it looks 😉

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s****e

Manipulation?! What do you think?

5th May. 2018, at 09:55 pm CEST#56
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The RTP is the cheat
It is the argument that the game has something to do with luck and bad luck!
It is only a means to an end, so that less smart people can believe in what
can believe!

Ah, the third child interferes
The one with the worst spelling, ha ha.

At least use a spelling program, avant-garde!
It's embarrassing at your age!

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Anonym

Manipulation?! What do you think?

5th May. 2018, at 09:57 pm CEST#57
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PS.: I ask to remain objective, each individual may represent his opinion, would be just nicer to read, if it were more friendly.

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Manipulation?! What do you think?

5th May. 2018, at 10:02 pm CEST#58
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stkrie wrote on 05/05/2018 at 21:55: The RTP is the scam
It is arguing that the game has something to do with luck and bad luck!
It is just a means to an end so that less smart people can believe in what
can believe!

Ah, the third child interferes
The one with the worst spelling, ha ha.

At least use a spelling program, avant-garde!
It's embarrassing at your age!

What's wrong with you? I can explain the difference between "that" and "that" if you want. Is not so clear in your comments, whether you have mastered that. I have noticed that you like to be unobjective just because you seem to have gambled away too much money and now have to take out your anger on others. And when you are already 50 or 60, you are welcome to call us children, if it makes you feel better.
And that you are the smartest user here is already clear to me ðŸ˜' let us share more of your infinite knowledge.

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Elite

Manipulation?! What do you think?

5th May. 2018, at 10:03 pm CEST#59
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Samira wrote on 05/05/2018 at 21:52: I wanted to comment again briefly. Thus back to the coincidence... if a win would happen nevertheless coincidentally, why then this crap with the RTP? I mean Lotto doesn't use that either and still they make a win because of the low accuracy of the players. Lotto is state-owned and therefore probably transparent, I can imagine that for this reason the German state keeps out of the OC industry, because it is vlt too intransparent... said casually... dirty. And if I think all this even further, the question arises with me, if but now the RTP, has influence on the payout, why should one still speak of coincidence or luck? Is nevertheless everything programmed. Would it not then only logical to assume that the influence, that is, the Manipulation takes place far beyond the range of the RTP! This then also explains itself why the support yesterday could express a guarantee and also kept right.

The RTP really only gives the theoretical probability. That is actually for the player at all nothing tangible. The problem with this RTP is that it basically applies per spin, which makes it much more likely to be achieved over the total duration of a game. This is also the reason why you often start with a small win:

Players often tend to orient themselves on their deposited amount. For example, I Deposit 20€ in a casino. If I now get a small win of 5€ relatively at the beginning and let's say I stand on 24€ I take that as a win. If I lose afterwards and have only 3€ credit left, that is a loss. If I then have the unlikely luck to win another 12€ and thus stand at 15€, I do not see that as a win in contrast to my original 20€. In my feeling I have lost 5€ and not won 12€. If then everything is gone I have lost for my feeling also 20€. And that is the problem with the RTP. It is more likely to lose on every single spin and that exponentially increases the probability of a total loss. Who counts the 50ct bet as the game? You are looking at your entire game and if you were to bet enough money then you would be getting closer and closer to the theoretical RTP of 96%.

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s****e

Manipulation?! What do you think?

5th May. 2018, at 10:04 pm CEST#60
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How can you do that when kids think they're smart?
But you are right.
Nevertheless, there's no point in discussing this any further.

The kids stick to their opinion that everything is great at the casinos,
and we stick to ours.
They get excited about their RTP and the fact that they have mastered basic arithmetic,
and that's it. Otherwise, only garbage comes.

Find it good that you want to stop gambling.
I haven't gambled for a long time, but lately I've been playing a bit again
played again.
Believe so completely away you never come, as already written so often.

I am completely in your opinion, what concerns the fraud, and that it is controllable.
Think, at some point the bomb will burst.

Let better explain with, I have laughed enough today!

Bones, it is not about the RTP in and of itself, but about the evt fraud, which is to be explained by the
RTP should be explained. Do you not want to understand that?

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