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Online Casinos in general: Manipulation?! What do you think? (Page 5)

Topic created on 04th May. 2018 | Page: 5 of 33 | Answers: 324 | Views: 72,051
Anonym

Manipulation?! What do you think?

5th May. 2018, at 07:40 pm CEST#41
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s****e

Manipulation?! What do you think?

5th May. 2018, at 07:46 pm CEST#42
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I find good, less stupid comments here.
In a pinch, run to your mom!
Better win a few thousand more!

@bones

The game manufacturer can't guarantee you that. He claims it, but it can't be verified. We are only talking about OC.
Do you know what is running on the servers of the game manufacturers or casinos?
Precisely because it is banned in Germany, and therefore there are no independent studies.

And if the game manufacturer sets less RTP, who cares. No one checks anyway

And the loser was just unlucky.

Samira is absolutely right.
There are a number of people who have lost everything, but not a single one who has managed to stay in the black. Jackpot winners and the legendary winner Avantgarde aside.

And that doesn't strike you as odd?

Exactly, chief!

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Elite

Manipulation?! What do you think?

5th May. 2018, at 07:54 pm CEST#43
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No, with a payout ratio of 95% on average, it doesn't seem strange to me at all that players who play a lot are in the red, it would seem rather strange to me if it were the other way around. Because every single spin has this payout rate. If you play only 10 spins in your life you still have a real chance to be in the plus but with many thousands to millions of spins the chance is almost 0% (I don't feel like calculating this for you, if you were in a high school you should be able to do this yourself).

And now be amazed: As far as Online Casinos are concerned, I am definitely in the plus. And that without Megawins. I have cashed out a total of 1,180€ and have in no case deposited more than 300€ in online casinos. Overall, I'm with the gambling due to slots of course still in the minus and I do not fool myself there, with me that's because I play on average every 1-2 months times in an online casino and then usually only with 10-20 € deposit.

That is simply mathematics. You're right, I can not check the general RTP but then here is statement against statement. Namely, your statement from a critic without insight against the several independent authorities that are licensed by states like the UK and check the random generators monthly.

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Manipulation?! What do you think?

5th May. 2018, at 08:12 pm CEST#44
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The mathematics behind this is indeed highly interesting. Perhaps a better regulated and uniformly controlled market across Europe will at some point be forced by law to disclose the exact probabilities for certain events in each game. So, for example, how likely is it to get three books in Book of Dead and then how likely is a win greater than 100x? Maybe soon we will see that these things have to be stated for each slot. For state lotteries this already has to be done.

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Anonym

Manipulation?! What do you think?

5th May. 2018, at 08:16 pm CEST#45
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stkrie wrote on 05/05/2018 at 19:46: I find good, less stupid comments here.
In a pinch, run to mama!
Better win a few thousand more!

@bones

The game manufacturer can't guarantee you that. He claims it, but it can't be verified. We are only talking about OC.
Do you know what is running on the servers of the game manufacturers or casinos?
Precisely because it is banned in Germany, and therefore there are no independent studies.

And if the game manufacturer sets less RTP, who cares. No one checks anyway

And the loser was just unlucky.

Samira is absolutely right.
There are a number of people who have lost everything, but not a single one who has managed to stay in the black. Jackpot winners and the fabulous winner Avantgarde aside.

And that doesn't strike you as odd?

Exactly, chief!

I never claimed that I am permanently in plus. If you could read, you would have noticed that.
And your mom bullshit you could have saved yourself.
People like you are the reason why many people on the forum haven't posted anything for some time now either. If you have to react directly on a personally attacking track, then you lose the desire to the topic altogether.

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Anonym

Manipulation?! What do you think?

5th May. 2018, at 08:21 pm CEST#46
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stkrie wrote on 05/05/2018 at 19:46: I find good, less stupid comments here.
In a pinch, run to mama!
Better win a few thousand more!

@bones

The game manufacturer can't guarantee you that. He claims it, but it can't be verified. We are only talking about OC.
Do you know what is running on the servers of the game manufacturers or casinos?
Precisely because it is forbidden in Germany, and therefore there are no independent studies

Samira is absolutely right.
There are a latte of people who have lost everything, but not a single one who has managed to be permanently in the plus. Jackpot winners and the fabulous avant-garde winners are not included.


But I.. I have been in the black every month for two years. But has nothing to do with permanent luck but with the fact that I just also travel together and nothing deposited when it ma not so runs. Or even just very small sums can be paid out, before I lose completely.

Most here pay in, lose... Continue to pay in.. And far he and further.. This is for me personally far from normal mind and play with incredibly high stakes the more serious the losses.

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Anonym

Manipulation?! What do you think?

5th May. 2018, at 08:24 pm CEST#47
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Bones wrote on 05/05/2018 at 19:54: And now marvel




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s****e

Manipulation?! What do you think?

5th May. 2018, at 08:27 pm CEST#48
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No one has to write here, I find completely ok.

What am I going to do with this bone?
He is so clever and yet so blinded.
But now I have explained it in such detail..,
that my canary understands it.

Yes, if I made 20 cent games, I would be in the plus. But that is not gambling for me. If you play every few months anyway not. But everyone defines that for himself. And what happens in England, you can check just as little as I do. The same is true for Malta, Gibraltar, isle of whatever and so on.
Everywhere the same. I can't check anything.
Understand now?

And anyone who defends Wunderino Casino to the hilt was definitely not in high school.
That must have been forest then.

Ronny says it right, you have to be in control, then it can work.
But that is the fewest.





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Elite

Manipulation?! What do you think?

5th May. 2018, at 08:41 pm CEST#49
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I never defended Wunderino at all, I think Wunderino is not a good casino to play at. No, I can't verify what official authorities in the UK do, but I trust the UK government at least on issues like this. Because I am not exactly what you claim: blinded.

The whole thing is like shouting LIE PRESS at every article and then quoting the next random smear sheet without citing the source just because it prints your own opinion.

A healthy gambler is not concerned with being in the black or not when gambling. A healthy and sensible gambler knows when to stop, knows when he was lucky and when he was unlucky and knows how to classify this correctly. Especially gamblers with Gambling addiction are often suspected of systematic fraud. But you simply start a game with very bad chances.

To explain it to you figuratively. Imagine you start a race with another person. This other person can run on average 10 kmh fast and you 9,5. Now you run 100m. Probably he will win, but maybe you will win as well. Now you run 20 times in a row 100m. Who do you think has the overall lead? And after you have run 25,000 one hundred meters?

Even if you beat him a few times and maybe very rarely even beat him by lengths, you will never be able to win more races on average against this person. With each additional race he increases the distance to you. And that's the way it is with gambling.

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s****e

Manipulation?! What do you think?

5th May. 2018, at 09:03 pm CEST#50
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Nevertheless, Samira would have to be right. If everything were to be done properly, there would have to be more people
who only win for a month or so
But that doesn't happen.

You have defended Wunderino all the time! Stick to the truth!

Example 1:
And in the end tens of players feel cheated who in the end were only cheated with unfair bonus conditions and then cry fraud. I still can not imagine that Wunderino really cheats. I simply believe that they adhere very strictly to their own rules, know zero goodwill and also shit on it whether a few people in a forum complain. The work of GJ in all honor but if I'm honest I also think that only a tiny fraction of active German players such forums pursued.

Example 2:
The problem here I see in the fact that Wunderino does not cheat at all but only has very strict terms and conditions and follows them strictly. If the private television stations of the nation were instances of morality, such spots would not run, but it is questionable where to start. Is Wunderino really worse than Berlin Tag und Nacht? Of course, what is promised at first glance there is rather an illusion but advertising is just advertising and that there is just f**ked with where it goes to sell its product is known. I don't believe that television stations let themselves be "censored". Actually casinos should not be allowed to be advertised on television, as well as tobacco. Alcohol of course just as little.

Example 3:
Nevertheless, I must defend Wunderino against your absurd accusations. Whether you get your money or not is certainly not due to the lunar calendar or arbitrariness of the employees but only due to whether you have made correct statements and kept to the bonus rules. No matter how moronic and misleading, these rules unfortunately exist, and if you don't want to play by these rules, you should not accept a bonus

You never defended Wunderino?
Do you need more examples?



And even if I win the 100 meters, I haven't won it by a long shot.
Maybe I was too far to the left in my lane.
Maybe I was too fast, but that doesn't count either.
Maybe I misspelled my name, in which case I lose and the other person is crowned the winner
the other is crowned the winner.

You start a game with the worst possible cards? On average I lose at a RTP of 96% with one Euro stake
on average 4 Euro per hour. Now ask the gamblers here, if that is about right, when they play with one
Euro bet. And no, it is not only a feeling. With 100 Euro I usually don't even survive the first half hour
half hour

And why? Because the RTP is forn ass. Because the RTP looks completely different than it is stated
Because they want to earn not 20 but 40 million a year
And because the 4% is not enough for them, additional hurdles are built in to make sure that the player does not win
Player does not win. Like for example the bonus rules or the verification. Or simply to charge back the money again
back by mistake, so you can continue gambling. This is fraud, plain and simple.

If I leave my car open, or forget my wallet or keys in there, that's
Seduction to commit a crime. Every normal person says, then he should just stay away from my car. But it is not that simple
it's not that simple
It's the same with all the chicaneries of the casinos. And they can do it only, because they rumturen somewhere in Malta,
with some seal of approval that doesn't mean shit, and no one can prosecute them.

And then comes bone and says, yes, everything is ok!
Since bone says self-inflicted, if you do not read the bonus rules.

But these are mostly young people, who gamble for the first time, who don't expect such a bottomless
Audacity at all do not expect that says no one.

And I still say that the casinos cheat. Probably together with the game manufacturers.



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