Daniel wrote on 05/15/2018 at 5:35 pm
Yes, I guess the customizations are always made so that the manufacturers make more money. Which is just a possible theory of mine. The manufacturers don't have to cheat properly or circumvent the RTP to make more wins. It increases with such theoretically conceivable adjustments then just the average playing time something but the Big Wins become statistically less and you notice that then at some point by coming less often over his deposit.
I am of the opinion that the game manufacturers should also indicate what the probability is in percent to get, for example, 5 explorers, 3 A's, and so on. RTP alone is not that meaningful, unfortunately. I often ask myself how likely it is to get 5 explorers. 1 in 100.000 spins, 1 in 1.000.000 spins or even 1 in 10.000.000 spins? One unfortunately doesn't know or I'm not good enough at math to calculate the probabilities just from the payout ratio and the paytable. But I think that this is also not possible.
I think I read once that the mathematics underlying such slots is the same as in poker. Accordingly, 5 explorers would be about as rare as a royal flush. But that could be total nonsense, it's just something I read somewhere.
Knochen wrote on 15.05.2018 at 17:46
I think I once read that the mathematics underlying such slots is the same as in poker. Accordingly, 5 explorers would be about as rare as a royal flush. But can also be total nonsense, this is just something I once read somewhere.
The odds would be 1:650,000, meaning that every 650,000th spin would win 5 explorers on average. Could be right (from the gut feeling). That would mean that if you play Book of Ra for 1.5 hours every day for a year, you would get 5 explorers once. I estimate the probability even lower, but unfortunately I do not know - but I would be very interested.
To conjure up such a mathematics out of the hat is I think also not quite easy and I can at least imagine that one has basically taken over an already existing. I think even Aka has written a thread about it here in the forum.
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I say it again. I maintain, the online casino 's create themselves with their partly brazen and mendacious nature sooner or later all. There must not even a law here. The OC 's are like many things, only a fad. At some point, even the last realize that there is for the most part only ripped off - so no coincidence takes place
Haeuptling wrote on 15.05.2018 at 18:08: But it is already a strange event what happened to the Theard Herstellerin (that you were directly in a WinnSlot -lozt-) whereby I must say that it has also occurred to me
Such a thing is indeed funny, but I can not understand, because I had never complained about too high losses at a casino, but rather complained about myself. I asked Matthias because he used to like to do that and he thinks that he sometimes wins with the High RollerBonuses he got but also often lost.
The "this time it will definitely work out or this slot is hot" are certainly some standard sayings. But in the end I can't explain it. I also do not know if it is true. If all this is true, then it would be interesting to open a separate thread where as many players as possible try (complain to the casino, get bonus and possibly win). If then actually everyone always wins, then indeed something would not be right. But you can not, because it happened to one or two players from the rule.
For example, some things happen to me offline that are strange. I am relatively seldom in Germany but when I am in Germany, I often go to the casino. And somehow I always win at the beginning (after I haven't been there for a while) and then it's feeding time. When I'm back in Malta and go to the casino there, then the same thing happened to me there (I also took a break there because I was in Germany for 3 weeks). So both casinos want to win me again. In the time I have won but even in a gas station at the machine. But I do not believe that in the gas station someone sits who controls the machines, knows that I'm a frequent player and wants to get me again anfixen.
Now you could say that the casino controls the machines because I was not there for a long time as a "good" player and they want to get me hooked again. The same in the casino in Malta and somehow also in the gas station. Or was it simply a lucky streak?
But such things have indeed happened to me more often. Also in the online casino. My biggest win (until today) I had after I paused for 3 months and actually didn't want to gamble anymore. And even now I have won well after hardly playing. First in the offline casino and now also online.
These are things that I can not explain - except with some kind of devil or a supernatural, evil force that wants to drive me back into addiction. But I don't believe in such a thing. But I also don't believe that the Stuttgart casino, the Malta casino and even the gas station are watching me. What kind of effort would that be and why is the same strategy used everywhere? So many people would have to work together, including the German tax office (although I trust the vultures with everything).
You can only find something like this out if many players can credibly confirm this and also document it. If something happens once or twice, then it is coincidence. If it is the rule with several players, then something could be wrong.
But I personally find it dangerous to believe in something like that. In my case for example. If I believe that the casinos want to get me back when I take a longer break, then I will never be able to stop gambling completely, because after a longer abstinence I know that I will win. Maybe during that time (even without gambling) the money is a little tighter and then you try again and you're right back in it.
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Haeuptling wrote on 16.05.2018 at 00:19
So offline I can tell stories that probably no one would believe me. My first time at a slot was at 19 years in a kebab store u. it was so freaky. I had just ordered kebab logically it was to be more precise 10 pieces + drinks... I had 50 DM with me. After I had paid the bill, I got 7 DM back. 2 Mark and 5 Mark pieces (oh how I miss the DM especially the 5 DM pieces ...) well had to wait then just of the Döners. The waiting time was boring and opposite me were 2 loud & colorful vending machines. I thought to myself then throw 2 DM purely to see what happens. 2 DM purely put and as they were in, they were already gone. Since I had so or so no idea of it, I left it also thereby. After about 5 came the Dönerrist... (I know him) and asked me in which machine I threw money. I told him that it was the left machine. Thereupon he answered me, that, the right would be better I thought to myself and have the 5wer also purely hauen this time in the right machine. Suddenly everything flashes like crazy.the employee ran to me and said, well what did I tell you. Only I still did not know what is going on. He showed me the win bar with 550 DM I only know that 3 suns was to be seen and I had pressed before only on the keys. 5 years later at work, I went on break to get kebab but this time only 1e 5 marks with it. 3 Marks for kebab 1Mark for drink. The vending machines that were in the store I had not even noticed until they began to make sounds like beklopt. 1 Mark I have yes still in the pocket. Purely with it I thought to myself. From vending machines I have until then still no plan. have then somehow 180DM on account and asked the worker to get me this out,
because I did not know how to do it
The 3rd time! 10 years later. Outside on the road I have a -friend- seen after 20 years again have us then just talk... Later he told me that he wanted to play, during the conversation a Syrian came to us and tried with hand signals to tell us what. After longer I have heard the word bus in English and could already think what he wanted. We can not English vondaher we could explain him nothing where he must stop. I then decided to bring him to the bus stop, which we did together with my friend. I had 50€ in bills and 5€ in coins with me. Before the boy came to us, I felt the 50€ in my pocket. Have brought him to the H.stelle. On the way back was the 50ziger wake. I do not want to accuse this boy and can not, because the distance was always large and he even ran in front of us at least 3 meters. The distance was always the same even while he approached us. Told the situation to my friend. We returned the same way with the hope to find the 50ziger. The stop was about 200 meters away. Of course I could not find the 50ziger. Well am then with the colleagues in the spielo, he has immediately 4 At occupied, at 7 other At were also people ... except for one of the was net occupied. 30min I stand there like a Honk and watched the colleagues... just wanted to say goodbye Since I noticed that I still had a 5wer and saw that this one At was still empty. The at was separated from the others but so that he stood virtually alone
Then I went to the at. I noticed that everyone started to watch me. What is going on now I thought to myself and pushed the 5wer simply purely. After a few spins I got free spins on 0.50 cent Ramses Book with premium symbol Ramses. 2 spins later came Fs again. PS: at this time I still don't really know how At works, I just learned how to get money out of it. Anyway, in the 3rd Fs round then 4 Ramses symbol ran purely, at once all stood in the casino next to me + my friend. 10te round comes again the same with 4 symbols account stood at the time so about 1000 and what else, in addition I still have 10 Fs. I did not believe it myself but in the 18 round again the same so I had circa 1600e on the speedometer. Had to wait forever until the coal came out of the at. Have my friend 100e given 1400e in the pants and my hand no longer got out. The rest in the at then just ran down like that. 3 years later I discovered the Oc. Playing now just under 3 years Oc also because of the people in the spielo because that was really annoying that all were around a drum... but must say that the spielos has made me more fun than the Oc's. Had then all Oc the on the Mrt through u. one was worse than the other except for 2 Oc one of them was Wunderino had the bonus 10+40 which I could also convert. I then cashed out 2000e. And 800 in a week deposited again without what went there... have then discovered Unibet after the 800e were gone at Wunderino I deleted my account there and went to unibet. Since then I'm there but how long I'll stay there is uncertain, because I rarely enjoy playing Oc and offline I am the guys too creepy ... that I'm best this play immediately leave. I have also noticed in the 3 years oc that I am no longer as joyful as it once was. It takes away the power. So now have my einstig in this scene told u. hope that I have not taken the desire to read :l I know that this topic does not fit the thread but can also delete if you want. Mfg
Hey Chief... you have not taken away my desire to read, on the contrary, fands interesting. Could put me well into it, as if I had been there. Think that the stories would be generally adventurous... Great idea for a new thread. Would be really interested in how it came with others to contact with the devil stuff. Ps. Often it is the minimum bet, from which you actually expect nothing, the one that brings a win. Happened to me offline many times. Kind regards
Daniel wrote on 15/05/2018 at 18:43
Something like that is indeed funny, but I can't relate to it because I had never complained about losing too much at a casino, but rather complained about myself. I asked Matthias because he used to like to do that and he thinks he sometimes wins with the High RollerBonuses he got but also often lost.
The "this time it will definitely work out or this slot is hot" are certainly some standard sayings. But in the end I can't explain it. I also do not know if it is true. If all this is true, then it would be interesting to open a separate thread where as many players as possible try (complain to the casino, get bonus and possibly win). If then actually everyone always wins, then indeed something would not be right. But you can not, because it happened to one or two players from the rule.
For example, some things happen to me offline that are strange. I am relatively seldom in Germany but when I am in Germany, I often go to the casino. And somehow I always win at the beginning (after I haven't been there for a while) and then it's feeding time. When I'm back in Malta and go to the casino there, then the same thing happened to me there (I also took a break there because I was in Germany for 3 weeks). So both casinos want to win me again. In the time I have won but even in a gas station at the machine. But I do not believe that in the gas station someone sits who controls the machines, knows that I'm a frequent player and wants to get me again anfixen.
Now you could say that the casino controls the machines because I was not there for a long time as a "good" player and they want to get me hooked again. The same in the casino in Malta and somehow also in the gas station. Or was it simply a lucky streak?
But such things have indeed happened to me more often. Also in the online casino. My biggest win (until today) I had after I paused for 3 months and actually didn't want to gamble anymore. And even now I have won well after hardly playing. First in the offline casino and now also online.
These are things that I can not explain - except with some kind of devil or a supernatural, evil force that wants to drive me back into addiction. But I don't believe in such a thing. But I also don't believe that the Stuttgart casino, the Malta casino and even the gas station are watching me. What kind of effort would that be and why is the same strategy used everywhere? So many people would have to work together, including the German tax office (although I trust the vultures with everything).
You can only find something like this out if many players can credibly confirm this and also document it. If something happens once or twice, then it is coincidence. If it is the rule with several players, then something could be wrong.
But I personally find it dangerous to believe in something like that. In my case for example. If I believe that the casinos want to get me back when I take a longer break, then I will never be able to stop gambling completely, because after a longer abstinence I know that I will win. Maybe during that time (even without gambling) the money is a little tighter and then you try again and you're right back in it.
tracking
when you walk in the door of a casino, the tracking system has already analyzed you completely and sent the appropriate control commands to the slots to get the highest possible profit out of you.
is of course blah. but technically possible without further ado nowadays. best with aluhut into the casino *fg*
@haeuptlings post: reminded me of a nice scene from trainspotting *g*
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I think I read once that the mathematics underlying such slots is the same as in poker. Accordingly, 5 explorers would be about as rare as a royal flush. But that could be total nonsense, it's just something I read somewhere.
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The odds would be 1:650,000, meaning that every 650,000th spin would win 5 explorers on average. Could be right (from the gut feeling). That would mean that if you play Book of Ra for 1.5 hours every day for a year, you would get 5 explorers once. I estimate the probability even lower, but unfortunately I do not know - but I would be very interested.
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Such a thing is indeed funny, but I can not understand, because I had never complained about too high losses at a casino, but rather complained about myself. I asked Matthias because he used to like to do that and he thinks that he sometimes wins with the High Roller Bonuses he got but also often lost.
The "this time it will definitely work out or this slot is hot" are certainly some standard sayings. But in the end I can't explain it. I also do not know if it is true. If all this is true, then it would be interesting to open a separate thread where as many players as possible try (complain to the casino, get bonus and possibly win). If then actually everyone always wins, then indeed something would not be right. But you can not, because it happened to one or two players from the rule.
For example, some things happen to me offline that are strange. I am relatively seldom in Germany but when I am in Germany, I often go to the casino. And somehow I always win at the beginning (after I haven't been there for a while) and then it's feeding time. When I'm back in Malta and go to the casino there, then the same thing happened to me there (I also took a break there because I was in Germany for 3 weeks). So both casinos want to win me again. In the time I have won but even in a gas station at the machine. But I do not believe that in the gas station someone sits who controls the machines, knows that I'm a frequent player and wants to get me again anfixen.
Now you could say that the casino controls the machines because I was not there for a long time as a "good" player and they want to get me hooked again. The same in the casino in Malta and somehow also in the gas station. Or was it simply a lucky streak?
But such things have indeed happened to me more often. Also in the online casino. My biggest win (until today) I had after I paused for 3 months and actually didn't want to gamble anymore. And even now I have won well after hardly playing. First in the offline casino and now also online.
These are things that I can not explain - except with some kind of devil or a supernatural, evil force that wants to drive me back into addiction. But I don't believe in such a thing. But I also don't believe that the Stuttgart casino, the Malta casino and even the gas station are watching me. What kind of effort would that be and why is the same strategy used everywhere? So many people would have to work together, including the German tax office (although I trust the vultures with everything).
You can only find something like this out if many players can credibly confirm this and also document it. If something happens once or twice, then it is coincidence. If it is the rule with several players, then something could be wrong.
But I personally find it dangerous to believe in something like that. In my case for example. If I believe that the casinos want to get me back when I take a longer break, then I will never be able to stop gambling completely, because after a longer abstinence I know that I will win. Maybe during that time (even without gambling) the money is a little tighter and then you try again and you're right back in it.
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Hey Chief... you have not taken away my desire to read, on the contrary, fands interesting. Could put me well into it, as if I had been there. Think that the stories would be generally adventurous... Great idea for a new thread. Would be really interested in how it came with others to contact with the devil stuff. Ps. Often it is the minimum bet, from which you actually expect nothing, the one that brings a win. Happened to me offline many times. Kind regards
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tracking
when you walk in the door of a casino, the tracking system has already analyzed you completely and sent the appropriate control commands to the slots to get the highest possible profit out of you.
is of course blah. but technically possible without further ado nowadays. best with aluhut into the casino *fg*
@haeuptlings post: reminded me of a nice scene from trainspotting *g*
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